PURE | JGTS - Going on strong and adapting in the face of change!

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BrosifDuder
Being extremely green to the whole GT500 world, I have been trying to learn as much as I can from the post throughout the thread. I typically run without the "chassis reinforcement" mod and am wondering if it really does make that big of a noticeable difference at the limit?
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Well, I only have experience using it on the Calsonic GT-R some time ago on R3's, so maybe the affects vary from car to car. I will say that once I put the reinforcement mod on the GT-R, I was able to reduce the spring rate a bit to improve traction and overall lap time (something I couldn't take advantage of before installing the mod). I remember at Deep Forest (where I first installed it) I immediately found an extra 2-3 tenths (on a ~ 1'05 lap time), which was a pretty significant amount. The feeling I got was a much more direct feeling (lets say less mushy and unpredictable) through the wheel particularly during corner entry, with more overall mechanical grip 👍

I'll try and share my findings once I install the mod on my Takata NSX and do some testing around Spa.

Edit: Rees' problem could have simply been that he didn't change the suspension settings to dial in the car's balance after doing the modification. Just a thought.
 
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NEPALII
Why add 50KG ballast to the Lexus? The Lexus loses on the straights big time, so it needs to be quicker on the turns to make it even with the rest. Im sorry but the specs are off right now. The NSX is too fast, the Lexus has no power. The GTR is good, feels balanced. The Lexus and the NSX need work in my opinion.
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I'll try to give them all some runs on the current specs and see what I find, but in WSGTC the SC430's and GTR's were very close, in both corners and straights, so I'll see what I get with these newer specs.

One thing to keep in mind is Spa being a very high-speed track, speed is of the essence there more then anywhere except Le Sarthe.
So while one car may suffer speed at Spa, it might gain that back on most other tracks in the game, so I'll give them a shot elsewhere as Dennis has been doing.👍


Dr_Watson
Lets talk about the practice race coming up:

IMO spa has some issues we need ground rules for.

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Running wide on the run-off in Pouhon and Blanchimont should come with a penalty. I tend to be a bit draconian on the things so I'd say that if a driver goes beyond the kerbing they're required to lift and let cars through that stayed on track.

discuss....
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To be perfectly honest, I don't think there's much time to gain in either section by running wide, but it's a fair point to penalize it, as it can in certain circumstances gain a bit.
I personally would never run either wide, as I think it hurts lap times more then it helps.

I find Eau Rouge and the "bus stop" chicane before start/finish line much more vulnerable areas, particularly running wide at the bus stop.
Also these types of areas exist on most every track, I think a general standard of lift-off for 2 seconds for the second offense in each race would do nicely, any blatant or intentional cutting is not something I expect to see with the drivers we have, but could obviously be spotted easily by those of us that watch the replays.

Just my thoughts.👍
 
CSL try GP/F track seems to be nice place to test and check cars. Offers a lil bit of everything.
 
Wow, have I been missing all the action in this thread! Moving house this weekend, so hopefully by the end of next week I can get back 'on track' to prep' for this series (which looks epic BTW)!
 
NEPALII
Why add 50KG ballast to the Lexus? The Lexus loses on the straights big time, so it needs to be quicker on the turns to make it even with the rest. Im sorry but the specs are off right now. The NSX is too fast, the Lexus has no power. The GTR is good, feels balanced. The Lexus and the NSX need work in my opinion.
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The DENSO/PETRONAS SC430, Z and YELLOWHAT, XANAVI, AUTECH, CALSONIC GT-R get 50 kg ballast because they are superior in the turns.
The Z and Lexus is actully less affected by the extra weight compared to the GT-R because of their much stronger (Torque from Turbo 2) register.

The Lexus got tons of power at current specs. Look at WSGTC, the Lexus won a few races and took pole at Laguna Seca and Nurburgring, was fast at Monaco and the other tighter tracks along with the Z.

And because of the heavier load (making the SC430's and GT-R's slower in corners) and improved handling for the NSX, we can now reduce the Bhp output from the current 526, down to 516ish. That would def slow the NSX down the straights.
And I actually think that the selection will be even better than I though.
(Thanks to the guys who climed equal weight ws the way to go:
CSLACR and Dr_Watson) 👍

Dr_Watson
Lets talk about the practice race coming up:

IMO spa has some issues we need ground rules for.

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Running wide on the run-off in Pouhon and Blanchimont should come with a penalty. I tend to be a bit draconian on the things so I'd say that if a driver goes beyond the kerbing they're required to lift and let cars through that stayed on track.

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We do not have an OP to describe it, but we will have a rule that says "2 wheel touching track/white line/curbs at all times", meening 3 wheels outside the track is subject to penalties.
In quali, we will be very strict (No quali prior this race tho), and 1 inch outside the track limits will be penalized 3 seconds at least.

In race, sometimes small mistakes/misjudgements happens, so once or twice going outside the track limits will not render an automatic penalty.
However, going off repetedly, even by the slightest will end up in a penalty.
On that note, penalties will be a percentage based kind of method that will be explained soon. So for this weeks race, we will just list all incidents/situations that is concidered a violation.

The top of Eau Rouge is a place where we will be strict. Make sure to rce clean, and stay with at least 2 wheels on track/white line/curb. 👍
 
Had a Long race at spa on thursday night in a series i race in and its
definatley very easy to go off line through Pouhon,Blanchimont and Eau Rouge.
Flat out easy on your own but when you are in dirty air behind another car you definatley need to lift to get through clean, and that is using R3's so i can imagine its even easier to go off on R1's.
 
Information for race day:
We will run 2 full rooms! 👍 👍
We will run a 14 minute qualifyer pre race.

Room settings:
Room name: PURE JGTS 1/2
Race Type: Race For Real
Mic: Disabled
Race Quality: High (Recommended)
Track: Spa Francorchamps

Grip Reduction: Real
Slip Stream: Weak
Tyre/Fuel Depletion: On
Visable Damage: On
Mechanical Damage: Heavy
Penalty: No
Race Finish Delay: 180 sec
Grid Order: Fastest First
Laps: 25 (26 including the formation lap)

TCS: No
ASM: No
SRF: No
DL: No
ACS: No
ABS: Allowed up to "1"
Tyres: Racing Hard
PP: According to the specs sheet in the OP (Post 2).
When going to track in the actual series, we will run Bhp/PP/Weight checks from lowest to highest. For this weeks pre-season race we will not use this method.


Room opens up 17.15 PM (GMT)
Quali: 17.45-17.59
Race start: 18.00 PM (GMT)

Quali: Track will be reset at 17.45.
The track is open for all to set a quali lap during this period (17.45-17.59).
When you're happy with your lap, do not enter the pits (The System tend to "loose" lap times), instead park your car on any of the big tarmac run off areas well clear of the track.
(If the system for any reason screw the grid spots up dispite our efforts, just start the race as we are placed. It's only trouble to form the grid thru chat during the formation lap)
Pole car will act as pace car and cruice at 63 Mph / 100 kmh.
When reaching the start line (Note that the startline is not the line where the timer sarts, it's the line 200ish meters up the road. Pole car can start anywhere before the start line, but he have to make sure that all cars are clear of the last turn (All cars need to be on the straight for it to be legit to start the race).

Do not accelerate / brake / turn to try and warm your tires. It's dangerous and because of lag and such damage may occur.
Make sure to keep your distance.
Only when approching the last chicane you can start formin in to 2 lanes.
Pole car will be on the right lane, along with all uneven numbers, and even numbers will form on the left side.
No passing before the start line.
Good Luck, happy racing etc!! :cheers: 👍


Room 1: Full​
PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Spa | 175 km | Sunday, October 30th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. chorda - Honda ARTA NSX
2. NEPALII - Lexus PETRONAS SC430
3. Alien96 - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
4. GTP_CSL - Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA
5. joshua1994 - Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA
6. BiffyClyro93 - Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
7. GTF_Apollo - Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
8. Minion07 - Lexus PETRONAS SC430
9. GTP_timeattack - TBD
10. Neomone - Honda RAYBRIG NSX
11. OwensRacing - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
12. Paginas - Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
13. MULE_9242 - Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
14. Wardez - Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R


Room 2: Full
PURE JGTS | Pre-Season Race | Spa | 175 km | Sunday, October 30th | Race Start: 18.00 PM (GMT)​

1. GTP_Aderrrm - TBD
2. Remy_K - TBD
3. R1600Turbo - Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
4. moleman - TBD
5. Dr_Watson (TnJF) - Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
6. lapierre4 - Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
7. WiiFreak - TBD
8. Litchi_GTPlay - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
9. GV27 - Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430
10. paulmac2k9 - TBD
11. Josh_F_1998 - Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
12. BrosifDuder - Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
13. PureGT_Muzz - Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
14. Ansem29_GTPlay - Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z




Current Car Specifications​

When racing in an OFFICIAL PURE JGTS room, your car is supposed to be tuned to the following specs. Note that the PP is when aero is maxed out. You're allowed to tweak your aero settings, but you can not tune up your engine to make up for the PP lost thru reducing aero.


Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R, Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R, Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R, Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Bhp: 518
Weight: 1150 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 0)
PP: 606 (With Full Aero)
PL: 100%
Allowed mods: Ridgity Improvement

Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R
Bhp: 529
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: -27)
PP: 607 (With Full Aero)
PL: 95,0%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
Bhp: -
Weight: 1150 kg
PP: 606 (With Full Aero)
PL: -
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Honda ARTA NSX, Honda RAYBRIG NSX, Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Bhp: RAYBRIG: 521 | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 517
Weight: 1130 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: -50)
PP: 605 (With Full Aero)
PL: RAYBRIG: 97,8% | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 95,3%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Honda EPSON NSX
Bhp: 553
Weight: 1180 (Recommended Ballast Position: -50)
PP: 611 (With Full Aero)
PL: 91,0%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
Bhp: -
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 607 (With Full Aero)
PL: -
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430, Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Bhp: 513
Weight: 1150 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 0)
PP: 608 (With Full Aero)
PL: 95,2%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Bhp: 502
Weight: 1150 kg (Recommended Ballast Position: 5)
PP: 613 (With Full Aero)
PL: 93,9%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA
Bhp: 534
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 605 (With Full Aero)
PL: 100%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Bhp: 515
Weight: 1150 kg
PP: 611 (Max Allowed DF: 40/65)
PL: 99,7%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

What separate the cars above from the cars below is that the suggested mods/tweaks/specs for the car below is only a rough estimation from my part. And also the cars that are hard to get on par. So please, help me out with some tests. 👍

Lexus ENEOS SC430
Bhp: 550
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 614 (With Full Aero)
PL: 90,4%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Bhp: 540
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 615 (With Full Aero)
PL: 89,7%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement



IMPORTANT NOTE:
When you set up your car according to this list (or any PURE JGTS specs sheet for that matter), make sure:
1. That your car is fully run in.
2. That your car got fresh oil.
3. That we are using "Bhp", not "Hp".
4. All PP's stated are whith Aero maxed out.
5. That when you look at your engines output, it's the numbers you'll see when in the settings menu that counts.
I.e: The ARTA NSX show 518 Bhp when viewed in your car list, but show 517 Bhp when viewed in the settings menu.
Settings Menu is what show the correct values, and is therefore the one PURE JGTS use.
 
Sweet.

That line up looks serious :D

I've sent you an add request on PSN Den on your chorda account,i presume you will be hosting?
 
Yes, I noticed.. Accepted 👍

You do not need to be friends with me tho.. Cause the races will be held in an open lobby and roomnumber will be posted here.

I'll host race 1.
Who'll host race 2?
Aderrrm? Remy_K?
 
Denilson
When reaching the start line (Note that the startline is not the line where the timer sarts, it's the line 200ish meters up the road.
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Is this line before the first hairpin?

Denilson
I'll host race 1.
Who'll host race 2?
Aderrrm? Remy_K?
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I'll host if ya want. I think I'll be using an NSX if anyone's interested although I haven't done any practice yet. :)

Edit: going out drinking tonight so pass the host over if I'm not in the thread by 5 or so :0
 
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Aderrrm: The line were the cars are lined up to prior start.

Better have a clear host as of now if possible.
Anyone in room 2 who can host?
 
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Sorry I haven't been in the practice rooms, haven't found any motivation to drive the car. Going to try and get some track time tonight.
 
1472-6399-8966-5889-0833

Still open, heading to Suzuka I think, not sure where second pre-season race is held.
 
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We'll do a vote for that, but it won't be Suzuka 👍
 
It seems some people aren't happy with the car specs, so I've gathered some thoughts on what to say and potential options we could have, just throwing these out there for everyone to pitch a voice on.

It seems people got used to testing them at old specs and got comfortable, both with their times, and the way the cars handled. (at stock weight and/or aero)
I don't think anyone wants to scratch NSX's completely though, they're a staple part of JGTC history, and we like seeing them around. But people don't want the NSX faster on any track, and they want it to handle better on slower tracks to keep up with others. This simply cannot be done to the exact T, so to speak.

If picking a car is a very difficult decision for the season, the specs are proper in my opinion. That was my goal when I brought it up. If everyone wants GTR's, SC430's, Z's, and the Castrol Supra, then the specs need changing. Or the others need left out.
I don't want to be a downer, but these are the only options we have.

1. NSX's rule fast tracks, get slaughtered on slow tracks
2. NSX's are a bit quicker on fast tracks, a bit slower on tight tracks.
3. Add even more weight to non NSX cars, to really go for equality on every track, which will bring in tire wear issues, among others.
4. GTR's, SC430's, Xanavi Z, and Castrol Supra are the only cars used. (NSX, Bandai, YMS, Enos, Advan completely removed)

Current specs are option 2.
Since I don't think most anyone will wish for NSX's removed, I think we have the best possible option, did some more testing, and I still have the YMS and Bandai to test yet, but otherwise I think we're solid.

I do not object to option 4 if it's popular opinion, whatever the drivers want is fine by me, just throwing all the options out there.

And also I believe the Epson NSX should be scrapped, no offense to Dennis, it's running 1.5-2 seconds a lap quicker at spa, and even though I know it's slower on slower tracks, it's a prime example of what I wanted to change in the specs for the NSX in the first place, being very lopsided on different tracks.

For the most part I think people are happy with the current specs Dennis has listed, and so far, I've found them pretty fair, sans the Epson NSX. (haven't tried the Enos or Advan again, they're just un-fixable imo)

I bring this up because I see complaints in the practice rooms, and they usually have something to do with comparing them to other drivers times.

Bottom Line - I don't want to see people upset after the pre-season race in a few hours, the specs aren't final, there are other options. I'd like people to keep that in mind, and as I said, if picking a car for the season is hard, then Dennis has done excellent work.


Wardez
We'll do a vote for that, but it won't be Suzuka 👍
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I figured with it being the first race of the season and all. People just wanted to test something different.
 
CSLACR: Non taken mate.

I know that the EPSON NSX is too fast with current specs.
It's just that my main objective has been to get the ARTA/TAKATA/RAYBRIG on par, so I kind of left the EPSON for now. I will start with the ENEOS, BANDAI, WOODONE after this weeks race.
I will not ban any car for this race, but I strongly recommend that we use a car from this list:
XANAVI GT-R
YELLOWHAT GT-R
CALSONIC GT-R
AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
XANAVI Z
CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
YELLOWHAT SUPRA
DENSO DUNLOP SC430
PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
ARTA NSX
RAYBRIG NSX
TAKATA DOME NSX
STEALTH NSX
STEALTH GT-R
to make sure the level is equal. Note that I've reduced the Bhp for the NSX's.

I also think that the WOODONE, ENEOS, EPSON and BANDAI will be a challange to get on par, but I'll give it next week before I decide anything regarding them.

Next weeks race will probably be held at a tight circuit.

I'm looking much forward to the race!

A host for race 2 needed btw.
 
Yeah it's hard to get all cars equal for "every" track. Is this not the case in real life anyway? Some cars suite a particular type of circuit. You take the good with the bad.

The hard thing with JGTC is that the different years have different rules so car perfomances is very hard to even out.

I'm new here but having read the thread I see you guys have done a lot of work and you are all to be congradulated on what you have achieved.

I am in room 2 but living in NZ I think I am too far away from the majority to host as lag and DC's may be an issue.
 
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Any chance of a live stream from room 1 Wardez? I wanna see how you guys cope with TA :boggled:
 
I can host but hope there's no regs checking before the race or i will be lost...lol. Or a stewart can explain me how to set the regs check by PM.
 
Right I'm okay to host now. I'll write down all the specs etc in a bit ready for 17:15. :)
 
CSLACR
I bring this up because I see complaints in the practice rooms, and they usually have something to do with comparing them to other drivers times.

Bottom Line - I don't want to see people upset after the pre-season race in a few hours, the specs aren't final, there are other options. I'd like people to keep that in mind, and as I said, if picking a car for the season is hard, then Dennis has done excellent work.
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I think you speak about me...lol. Thanks for all your explications. Now i understand. And heum I was happy on Suzuka because i have seen that i was in the right way on timer 👍 . So, all is good for me now for my Z specs. I just know that's impossible for me to win a race on Spa with it, but why not Suzuka.... ;)

Thanks a lot for all your work guys. You rock!
 
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