Pushing the Limits

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Stanley^Carter
correction: you should put "Toyota AE86 Trueno"

I don't see Fujiwara, I don't see any Tofu, and I also don't see any shops :sick:


lol, stan. i felt the same way when i saw his post.
 
PERFECT BALANCE
whats the point of drifting like that
why not do racing drifts?
you go a lot faster that way
there are 2 ways to drift my friend. race drift, and exhibition drifting. and these guys, they are exhibition drifting.
 
Originally Posted by jzz30degogo

If your not countersteering, you're not drifting. i personally think this pole is just stupidity...


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Ever heard of 4-wheel drifts
And that doesnt mean a 4 wheel drive car
 
Originally Posted by jzz30degogo

If your not countersteering, you're not drifting. i personally think this pole is just stupidity...


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Ever heard of 4-wheel drifts
And that doesnt mean a 4 wheel drive car
 
Perfect balance, the point of drifting is not to go as fast as possible. Its to show off how well you can control your car by keeping it sideways and still holding a decent line. If you do it correctly, speed will be there. I like initial d.. but it is giving a lot of newbies the wrong impression of what drifting is despite D1GP growing in popularity.
 
Gabkicks
Perfect balance, the point of drifting is not to go as fast as possible. Its to show off how well you can control your car by keeping it sideways and still holding a decent line. If you do it correctly, speed will be there. I like initial d.. but it is giving a lot of newbies the wrong impression of what drifting is despite D1GP growing in popularity.

Well, the members of this forums managed to convince me that no, I cannot outrun a Mazda RX-7 with a AE86. :sly:

Doesn't stop me from wanting to try, though. Although nowadays I conserve my energy and race on Initial D: Arcade Stage to satisfy my need to drift at high speed. :sly:
 
I've got a photo of a 320hp AE86's (actually, it's a converted 85) engine bay somewhere on my phone that I took at a show a while ago. Very cool car, saw it at a carpark in town the other day and it sounded mean! I've seen plenty of 86's carve it up at the track, they're pretty quick for old Toyotas but at the end of the day, that's all they are - old Toyotas.
 
A.: Drifting got it starts on the mountain roads in Japan. Initially, drivers would GRIP race their cars around the winding roads, pushing their machines as fast as they would go. However, do to the hills, unforseen road conditions, unexpected corners, etc, alot of them would lose control, slide sideways, and most times lose control, however, those that could maintain a corner after loosing the rear end, were revered as the best drivers on the mountain. These eventually evolved into what we know as drifting, as they soon began to purposely tune their cars to go sideways, and stay sideways, around the corner, in a great show of control and precision driving. All of this has further evolved into what we know today publically as "drifting", including D1GP, and people who, still to this day, race the mountain roads in Japan. So remember, whether your at a local AutoX event, D1GP, or just on the back roads near your house, drifting is NOT faster than grip, it is a show of control, it started as such, and will remain such, from the back hills of Tennessee, to the D1GP.



B.: AE86's can outrun Skyline's with twice their power on the track. Anyone ever see that video of the two 86's against the new skyline? The one with the LOWEST hp won. It's not about who has the most hp, or the best tuned car, its about who has the driving skill to back up their machine. A perfect example would be when my mother recently came for a visit. She used to road rally race back in Mass. when she was in her 20's, so I figured she be good for a romp through the back roads here. She was in a 95 Civic EX with brand new tires, and I was in my wife's 2000 Cavvy that has 70K miles and the same tires that it came with on it, that I havnt put air in for something like 8 months now. We were romping about when we hit a sudden left hand dipped corner with an incline on the exit. I brake to balance the car, throw it hard into the corner and slam the accelerator to accelerate out and maintain balance. I look behind me and my mother has completely lost the rear end of the civic, over-corrects three times, and finally slams on the brakes to keep from driving off into a ditch and hitting a tree. Should a 2000 Chevy Cavvy beat a 95 Civic in handling? Hell no, but did it? yup, y? cuz of the driver... plain and simple.



C.: Swift, I think this thread has served its purpose, plz dont let it turn into another purposeless rant thread about which is faster..... I think its time to swiftly nip this one in the bud.






P.S. of all the people who voted in the highest catagory (-dodgedart-, Bryan C., d3p0, DARKEST_HOUR, Delphic Reason, dking, EJ1Rider, FC3S-D, icandriftbetter, jzz30degogo, led1013, lllb0y, rsmithdrift, RX-7 FD Drifter, Ryen49, Spyder_V, Takumi92, tedaconda, ToyotaDrifter, TRi), D3PO, maybe DR (I havnt seen too much from him), Ryen48, and TRi and I are probably the only ones who should PROBABLY rank there. O, and I think I've seen ICDB post up some good stuff, but still
 
well. "Drifting" as its known today really started booming around the late 80's once very powerfull cars and tuning options became available.

But Enzo Ferrari talks about drifting during the 1960's as a driving technique. And Basicly controlled oversteer through corners to avoid suprize understeer/oversteer has been around as long as cars have been able to break traction. :)



also, how can you see who voted for what? i voted forpushing a car to its limits. but i thought beyond meant crashing. I can slide all four wheels anytime i want and still hold decent line an angle. can someone change my vote to beyond? :dopey:
 
Bryan C.
B.: AE86's can outrun Skyline's with twice their power on the track. Anyone ever see that video of the two 86's against the new skyline? The one with the LOWEST hp won. It's not about who has the most hp, or the best tuned car, its about who has the driving skill to back up their machine. A perfect example would be when my mother recently came for a visit. She used to road rally race back in Mass. when she was in her 20's, so I figured she be good for a romp through the back roads here. She was in a 95 Civic EX with brand new tires, and I was in my wife's 2000 Cavvy that has 70K miles and the same tires that it came with on it, that I havnt put air in for something like 8 months now. We were romping about when we hit a sudden left hand dipped corner with an incline on the exit. I brake to balance the car, throw it hard into the corner and slam the accelerator to accelerate out and maintain balance. I look behind me and my mother has completely lost the rear end of the civic, over-corrects three times, and finally slams on the brakes to keep from driving off into a ditch and hitting a tree. Should a 2000 Chevy Cavvy beat a 95 Civic in handling? Hell no, but did it? yup, y? cuz of the driver... plain and simple

more like no

The Skyline was drifting(or doing a poor job at it) and Keiichi Tsuchiya and his assistant were Grip driving. Keiichi, in the weaker AE86, won, with the assistant a close second behind. The point is that Grip is infinitely faster. Hell, even now that I've gotten to that stage in the manga, it turns out the most famous racer of the Red Suns, Takahashi Ryosuke, gets owned because he tried to drift instead of grip, whereas if he has gripped he would have won. A simple object lesson.

Secondly, the older 90's civics are heavy-steering pigs. That may just be my opinion though.
 
Captain Trips
more like no

The Skyline was drifting(or doing a poor job at it) and Keiichi Tsuchiya and his assistant were Grip driving. Keiichi, in the weaker AE86, won, with the assistant a close second behind. The point is that Grip is infinitely faster. Hell, even now that I've gotten to that stage in the manga, it turns out the most famous racer of the Red Suns, Takahashi Ryosuke, gets owned because he tried to drift instead of grip, whereas if he has gripped he would have won. A simple object lesson.

Secondly, the older 90's civics are heavy-steering pigs. That may just be my opinion though.

you still just proved my answer all the more right, althought I dont remember anything about the skyline drifting....

once again, its Captain Trips for teh ignorant statement.
 
kk, lets stay on topic now.

:edit: - i tried to pm him, but his mailbox is full :)

yes the chasis of the 86 is very very old and just not that great anymore. but the car is very light, and very cheap. It was popular because of being light/cheap/and coming with an LSD way before Initial D.
A tuned 86 can be much much faster than other roadcars weather they grip drive or not.

same thing with the older civics. they are very light cars and thats why they are popular for tuning.
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When it come's to keiichi's tuned 86 compared to the R34 that keiichi beat, The guy driving the R34 wasnt that great of a driver, but he's an awsome tuner. Also, the gearing for the 86 is much better than a stock R34, its lighter, so cornering is quicker and so is exit and entry speed despite the R34's 4wd. Plz try and stay on topic man. 👍
 
Bryan C.
you still just proved my answer all the more right, althought I dont remember anything about the skyline drifting....

once again, its Captain Trips for teh ignorant statement.

I was straightening out your facts, I didn't say you were wrong. No need to assault me with your inflated arrogance that quickly.
 
Captain Trips
I was straightening out your facts, I didn't say you were wrong. No need to assault me with your inflated arrogance that quickly.
I have that video and the skyline didn't drift.....
 
Bryan C.
B.: AE86's can outrun Skyline's with twice their power on the track. Anyone ever see that video of the two 86's against the new skyline? The one with the LOWEST hp won. It's not about who has the most hp, or the best tuned car, its about who has the driving skill to back up their machine. A perfect example would be when my mother recently came for a visit. She used to road rally race back in Mass. when she was in her 20's, so I figured she be good for a romp through the back roads here. She was in a 95 Civic EX with brand new tires, and I was in my wife's 2000 Cavvy that has 70K miles and the same tires that it came with on it, that I havnt put air in for something like 8 months now. We were romping about when we hit a sudden left hand dipped corner with an incline on the exit. I brake to balance the car, throw it hard into the corner and slam the accelerator to accelerate out and maintain balance. I look behind me and my mother has completely lost the rear end of the civic, over-corrects three times, and finally slams on the brakes to keep from driving off into a ditch and hitting a tree. Should a 2000 Chevy Cavvy beat a 95 Civic in handling? Hell no, but did it? yup, y? cuz of the driver... plain and simple.

I hate those non stop non ending discussions, but it's both part of the speed man, I'm sure that the trueno driver would've been even faster in the skyline. So if you take trueno VS skyline, both equilly good drivers, skyline wins for sure....
ANYWAY CLOSE THIS THREAD, I hate these discussions...:lol:
 
I voted 5 - I push it beyond the point where it's beyond it's limits. I get so much angle I need to use the rear view camera to see where I'm going, and I need so much opposite lock to keep the car balanced at these angles that I have to rotate my entire coffee table, never mind just my steering wheel! :cool:

It's really tiring stuff, and can be a pain because it means I have to balance my coffee on my head.

On a more serious note, the comment about Enzo talking about drifting in the '60s is based entirely on fact. In those days and on super hard tyres (F1 tyres used to be good for a few races rather than a few laps) with no qerodynamic downforce, drifting was the fastest way. There was little grip so to get the nose tucked in so it was neccessary to have the rear sliding to achieve turn-in, and then negotiate the corner in a neutral slide (4 wheel drift) .The objective was to keep the front wheels as straight as possible while adding or removing throttle pressure to tighten or widen the car's line, thus losing as little speed as possible to front wheel scrub. If you watch any racing from the '20s to the end of the '60s you'll notice that all the drivers drift it, but always in moderation. Full opposite lock was then, as now, only used to correct an error in circuit racing.

Some top drivers were making a living drifting F1 cars right up to 1979, when the ground effects cars took qerodynamic downforce to a new level and required the car to keep as little yaw angle as possible to maintain aerodynamic performance. James Hunt, F1 world champ in 1976, was a famous drifter, and would steer his car on the throttle right up to his last season, which was in a ground effects Wolf, which he could not get along with because it required a completely different approach. He lost interest in racing F1 when he realised he could no longer slide his car and still be fast.
 
G-T-4-Fan
I hate those non stop non ending discussions, but it's both part of the speed man, I'm sure that the trueno driver would've been even faster in the skyline. So if you take trueno VS skyline, both equilly good drivers, skyline wins for sure....
ANYWAY CLOSE THIS THREAD, I hate these discussions...:lol:
But, The driver of the skyline wasn't a professional driver. Now if you take two equal drivers than you never know...

BTW: theres no need to close this thread...yet.
 
it wasnt like the AE86 barely won either.


There's a million places to discuss this, but it wasnt the purpose of THIS thread, hence my suggestion to close it.



how many times do we have to break it down for your noobs?


1. grip is faster than drift.
2. grip is STILL faster than drift
3. believe it or not, despite what Intial D or some game says, GRIP IS FASTER THAN DRIFT.
4. oh yah, and posers suck. Go home and play with your pet monkey.
TEH end!


cept Ryen, he's cool.
 
I haven't voted yet (well I prob will when I finish writing this assuming this thread isn't locked by the time I'm done writing this), but well, I think i would be somewhere between 'I can hang it out there' and 'I can push it pretty hard', namley for GT4, GT3, it would prob be around 'I push the limits', not yet for GT4 since I'm still experimenting with stuff, namley drifting with the DFP. I can drift okay with the DS2, least with most stock cars on either N2's or N1s, it's tougher with the DFP beisdes some obvious things, but it's also a matter of what you're used to and what you've been trained on. I just keep trying, if we ever get an offical online version of GT, then we'll get an idea of what we can do.

Although what Gabkicks said is true about some of us thinking where good till were pit against somoene else whom is honeslty good, I suppose some ego would not hurt, then again it could be an ego ready to be flatened under a 16 ton anvil. On the other hand, most of the time I know I'm realtive crap, but one can only try and improve and keep at it. Not to mention just to try harder, even if it's not drifting but something else. Although that's already been said less I missed a page.

You can only try harder on some things, I rate myself just on average, since I'm certain there are a number here whom in a drift competion would be able to mop the floor with me, but that's just me anyway.

I can't think of much else to say right now so I'll just end it there.

Till later.
 
It's pretty cool thread start though Bryan C, thanks, cause I never felt the need to push beyond the limits of angle....well, I never tried this hard assuming I was at the limits, but after I saw your pictures, I went drifting 3 laps and got my REAL LIMIT. And...now drifting isn't boring anymore, its fun again:D THANKS ALOT.

PS. Yeah I WAS getting bored of drifting....
 
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