r2/l2 function

gtmaniak · Aug 3, 2003

i was wondering does any one use the l2/r2 buttons in auto to hold the gear longer and get that little extra bit of speed? :confused:

Jay · Aug 3, 2003

dont use sorry, but i know some people do that trick alot

Vasco · Aug 3, 2003

Might as well use manual if you're going to do that...

gtmaniak · Aug 3, 2003

naaaa all u do it hold it in untill u want to change gear then u let go
i do it mostly on the straights

XPLOSV · Aug 3, 2003

Damn! I never new about this. I always use manual though. But I'm gonna try this out next time I play.

TingBoy · Aug 3, 2003

doin that trick is the same as usin manual....
since automatic instantly changes gears the second u touch the redline, you don't get the extra revs, especially in cars with NA 2 that give 2-3 blocks of redline xtra. it'z nothing u can't do in manual

gtmaniak · Aug 3, 2003

yes it is basicly the same exept that when u get to a corner u can concentrate more on the turn

Jay · Aug 3, 2003

you shouldnt have to put any concentration into changing even on corners, it sould happen without thinking about it

gtmaniak · Aug 3, 2003

yes.......im still learning that way of life.......never mind

Vasco · Aug 3, 2003

It's pretty easy with a bit of practice, I reckon I'm more alert now when going through corners...with auto it's like sort of sitting back...:|

Driftster · Aug 3, 2003

I do it all the time, it's quite usefull in CERTAIN Gears, I would use manual more often but I forget to switch gears alot of the time, so, I don't but for first gear I hold in longer because it signifigantly betters your acceleration, and sometimes through corners I use it to hold a gear, because it'd slow me down to down shift in the corner then upshift again.

Solid Lifters · Aug 3, 2003

Yes, all the time. I even use it for the License Tests. But remember, certain cars in GT3 accelerate quicker before you reach the redline."

Driftster · Aug 3, 2003

in actuality ALL Cars get most power before redline, the thing is you want longevity with your first gear, because usually the biggest gap in gearing ratio's is from 1st to 2nd, and sustaining those extra 300-400 rpm's makes a dramatic difference on the 2nd gear's initial acceleration.

Jay · Aug 3, 2003

whats going to happen to you guys if you cant do this trick GT4

i suppose ethier put up with it or use manual

Driftster · Aug 3, 2003

OMG, YOU SPEAK BLASPHEMY!! Not do the trick in Gt4, if this is not allowed I will boycott Polyphony Digital. :rolleyes:

Solid Lifters · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by VIPERGTSR01
whats going to happen to you guys if you cant do this trick GT4

i suppose ethier put up with it or use manual

Yep, I would use the manual.

BadBatsuMaru · Aug 3, 2003

Originally posted by Driftster
in actuality ALL Cars get most power before redline, the thing is you want longevity with your first gear, because usually the biggest gap in gearing ratio's is from 1st to 2nd, and sustaining those extra 300-400 rpm's makes a dramatic difference on the 2nd gear's initial acceleration.

I don't see how people still haven't figured this out. The car's max power is BEFORE the redline, and drops off pretty sharply in the red if you've looked at any dyno charts, so most of the time you're not helping yourself any by staying in a gear too long.

If there is a problem with using the automatic tramission in GT3, the problem is that it shifts too late in cars with a lot of low-end power.

Vasco · Aug 4, 2003

Originally posted by BadBatsuMaru
I don't see how people still haven't figured this out. The car's max power is BEFORE the redline, and drops off pretty sharply in the red if you've looked at any dyno charts, so most of the time you're not helping yourself any by staying in a gear too long.

If there is a problem with using the automatic tramission in GT3, the problem is that it shifts too late in cars with a lot of low-end power.

What about the last gear though, don't you get some extra power out of going those extra rpm higher?

gtmaniak · Aug 4, 2003

i believe u get extra speed.........judging by the way a pass cars quicker

BadBatsuMaru · Aug 4, 2003

Originally posted by DODGE the VIPER
What about the last gear though, don't you get some extra power out of going those extra rpm higher?

No...

Take the example of tuning a car for top speed. You don't want it to be going all the way up to the fuel cutoff. You want to set the transmission so you're getting max speed at max power.

Take a new F686/M with 973 HP out on Test Course. Set minimum downforce, transmission to Auto 30, Final Drive to 2.850, and you'll get to 243 MPH right before the 16,000 RPM redline.

Try setting Final Drive to 2.875, and you'll go up to about 16,100 RPM, still long before the fuel cutoff, but you'll only make it to 242 MPH.

Set Final Drive to 2.983, and you'll get up to right before the 16,500 RPM cutoff, but you'll just barely make it to 241 MPH before you have to turn.

So, if your transmission is setup right, you're better off not going into the red.

Famine · Aug 4, 2003

In my own car, the peak power is actually well into the redzone. That's probably because it's a PoS 1993 Ford Fiesta 1.3i with a whole 63hp, but since redzone is at 5000rpm (maximum recommended engine speed is 5250rpm, or up to 5750rpm in bursts)...

Red Eye Racer · Aug 4, 2003

I was very successful using the R2 manuver. Just hol dthe button down the entire time you drive,... except when you wanna change gears

It's simpler, and even, more effective, than it sounds 👍

Andre · Aug 4, 2003

Originally posted by Famine
In my own car, the peak power is actually well into the redzone. That's probably because it's a PoS 1993 Ford Fiesta 1.3i with a whole 63hp, but since redzone is at 5000rpm (maximum recommended engine speed is 5250rpm, or up to 5750rpm in bursts)...

Yeah, until saturday my family had a Geo Metro and a Volkswagen Jetta TDI. They traded the Geo and bought an Oldsmobile Silhouette to pull the trailer and I get to drive the Jetta to work. Deisel with Turbo, that's plenty of power, but the red-line is at 4,500 RPM on the tachometer. What happens if I go higher?

Famine · Aug 4, 2003

Not a lot - although you'll start getting a strange wobbly feeling just before the engine explodes.

I'm told that in all cars, torque and power are equal at ~5250rpm, so if you're changing up before then, you're not pulling peak acceleration.

I'm on the verge of buying a Mazda MX-3. The redzone is 6500rpm, the redline is 8000...

BadBatsuMaru · Aug 4, 2003

Originally posted by Famine
In my own car, the peak power is actually well into the redzone. That's probably because it's a PoS 1993 Ford Fiesta 1.3i with a whole 63hp, but since redzone is at 5000rpm (maximum recommended engine speed is 5250rpm, or up to 5750rpm in bursts)...

63hp? You were lucky!

My last car was a 1987 Chevy Sprint 1.0L I-3 with 56hp, which was still enough to smoke its little 12" tires (or maybe that's why I needed to replace the clutch 3 times). It had 297,000 miles on it.

Famine · Aug 4, 2003

2 hundred and WHAT?!

I had a 50hp 1.1 Ford Fiesta with 4 gears. Then a 55hp 1.1i Ford Fiesta with 5 (which I actually destroyed), and now a 63hp 1.3i Ford Fiesta. Next up - hopefully on Sunday - is that MX-3 V6

Ceejaysez · Aug 5, 2003

Originally posted by Famine
2 hundred and WHAT?!

I had a 50hp 1.1 Ford Fiesta with 4 gears. Then a 55hp 1.1i Ford Fiesta with 5 (which I actually destroyed), and now a 63hp 1.3i Ford Fiesta. Next up - hopefully on Sunday - is that MX-3 V6

you think 200 and blah thousand miles is big.. try 350000 until my dad changed the whole engine LMAO :lol:

Famine · Aug 5, 2003

It's not the mileage per se (although 200 and WHAT?! ), but on a 3-cylinder engine, that's staggering. My current car has a 4-pot with just shy of 60,000 on it and I'm getting rid of it before the engine explodes...

XenotekTT · Aug 5, 2003

It is very clear that no one here knows much about racing. The optimal shift point (when going for all out speed) is whatever RPM will put you immediatly into your peak torque in the next gear.

If that means shifting at 7 with the redline at 9, it's still faster. Although in GT3 there's really no way to tell peak torque that I know of.

Famine · Aug 5, 2003

Originally posted by XenotekTT
It is very clear that no one here knows much about racing. The optimal shift point (when going for all out speed) is whatever RPM will put you immediatly into your peak torque in the next gear.

It's very clear that you're rammed so far up your own arse you can see your tonsils.

I, for one, have not MENTIONED racing in this thread yet - only to say that 5250rpm is roughly where torque & power are equal in any engine, and that upshifts must occur after this point.

Make your point, by all means - but don't attack all the other members whilst doing it.

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