Racing Softs looked down upon?

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MrMelancholy15
It's about the experience that you're looking for.


Sports tires will value a better tuning setup over a better driver, every day of the week. <=== Spec series should use Sports tires. Then, it's still all about the drivers.


Race cars should use racing tires.


Touring cars is a choice.


Drifters and < 240 hp street cars should use comfort tires.
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I agree with this, which is why I like the challenge of the events that limit the tire selection. I really don't play online that much because of too many bad experiences and almost everyone wants to use racing soft.
 
I run a room every night. It always fills up with great racers. We all use racing soft tires. Accidents happen but for the for the most part it is nearly touch free racing.

It is not realistic, it is not meant to be.

I rented a Ford Focus once – it sucked, but my Ford Focus ST170 is one of the best cars in the game for the type of racing I do.

I had a guy in my room last night his name was GTP_[something], I pm’d him and said “Glad to see a GTP person that will use RS tires”

He wrote back and said, “lol yeah sometimes you just want to have fun!”

Sometimes? Why not have fun all of the time. I do. I love this game. I don’t give a 🤬 who looks down on me because I use RS tires.
 
Chrunch Houston
He wrote back and said, “lol yeah sometimes you just want to have fun!”

Sometimes? Why not have fun all of the time.
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He's probably on about a different type of fun, probably a more casual and relaxed sort of fun. Running on "weak" tyres is also a lot of fun you know, feel free to try it out. Just because some guys choose to run on the stock tyres that came with their vehicle does not mean they are not having fun, if anything, they are having more fun on stock tyres as it'd be their preference. 👍
 
careface
you know those are rain tires right?
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Yes but there tread pattern isnt that much diffrent than a trackday tire like a Neova for example and there grip level is simular to a Racing Hard tire or rather in between that and a Sport soft.

Infact in an online race i felt more confident on the Inter than on a RH and that was on my 908.

Give it a try out .
 
Endless-Wilso
Yes but there tread pattern isnt that much diffrent than a trackday tire like a Neova for example and there grip level is simular to a Racing Hard tire or rather in between that and a Sport soft.

Infact in an online race i felt more confident on the Inter than on a RH and that was on my 908.

Give it a try out .
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Will do, not as daft as it sounds, but don't they wear out fast?
 
In a back to back 10 lap race the Inters yeilded an average lap .3 seconds quicker than Sport softs.
The Inters wherent better in braking distance but had more side grip and a quicker turn in feel.
It was in the A spec race Japanese champ series 10 lap race at Tsukuba so no tire ware.
 
Well if someone runs on race soft, You will have to do the same, if You want to compete. - Whats wrong about that?? If You don`t want RS, go to another room, or create Your own. Talking about "realism" and "driving simulator" - Well Your Grandma has a small car, hasn`t she? And her tires are standard tires aren`t they? And she drives it very well, without crashing, doesn`t she?? BUT she can`t drive one single meter in GT5 EVEN with Race Soft tires, can she??? The reason is, that the game is - a game... Its not realistic. but very fun. And it gives You the impression of driving IRL...
Let me say this: IF "Comfort Hard" or Comfort medium" was SO hard to drive on IRL, Your Grandma (and everyone else) would crash their car, less than one minute after having bought it, would`t they. Such tires would NOT be approved by the authoryties at all...Making a car skid IRL is not that easy. IRL cars have tremendous grip on their tires...
 
light driver
Let me say this: IF "Comfort Hard" or Comfort medium" was SO hard to drive on IRL, Your Grandma (and everyone else) would crash their car, less than one minute after having bought it, would`t they. Such tires would NOT be approved by the authoryties at all...Making a car skid IRL is not that easy. IRL cars have tremendous grip on their tires...
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No dude.... When people drive to the store, they aren't driving at 100%, or racing 15 other cars. If they were, I agree that most people would crash every time they got into their car regardless of what tires they had.

Street tires ARE difficult to drive on when you're racing the car. I race in a budget race car series where people DO use street tires, and there is not a lot of grip. Making a car skid in real life IS that easy. You cannot simply point, shoot & floor it. Have you ever driven a car aggressively?
 
iamsupernasty
No dude.... When people drive to the store, they aren't driving at 100%, or racing 15 other cars. If they were, I agree that most people would crash every time they got into their car regardless of what tires they had.

Street tires ARE difficult to drive on when you're racing the car. I race in a budget race car series where people DO use street tires, and there is not a lot of grip. Making a car skid in real life IS that easy. You cannot simply point, shoot & floor it. Have you ever driven a car aggressively?
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I agree with that, although I find it odd when people say an F40 (and other supercars of course) should have CS tires. I can see why the R8 would have it, being a 4WD car and with the technology it uses. To not be biased, I'll say that it used to be near impossible for me to push the F40 on CS tires and it isn't that way anymore since the last update. It feels more natural to use them than before even though I still don't think it's right. If someone can present some convincing information about this, PLEASE do.
 
iamsupernasty
No dude.... When people drive to the store, they aren't driving at 100%, or racing 15 other cars. If they were, I agree that most people would crash every time they got into their car regardless of what tires they had.

Street tires ARE difficult to drive on when you're racing the car. I race in a budget race car series where people DO use street tires, and there is not a lot of grip. Making a car skid in real life IS that easy. You cannot simply point, shoot & floor it. Have you ever driven a car aggressively?
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Well aggressively and aggresively. I tried to "floor it" in an old Opel Ascona on a long curvy gravel road. It was very easy. BUT my old Ascona had 90hp not 400hp as in GT5. So You have a point, yes You do...But I still imagine yhe Japanese creating this game get their heads together and agreed "Yes yes, driving a car is veeeery difficult, and we have to make it veeeery realistic: (But they forgot HOW easy driving a cart IRL is) And thats why its so funny racing in GT5 - If it was as easy as IRL -It would be boring..But You got a point,admitted
 
If cars in real life were as grippy as you make out, then accidents would be almost non-existent. And yes, cars can lose grip and under/oversteer at relatively low speeds. The reason why it seems so different in GT5 is because you do not have the same sensation of speed (no G-forces etc), and you are on a wide open track which hugely eliminates the sense of speed even further.

Doing 100mph on a 4 lane highway feels very different to doing 100mph through a town centre or country back lane.
 
light driver
.But I still imagine yhe Japanese creating this game get their heads together and agreed "Yes yes, driving a car is veeeery difficult, and we have to make it veeeery realistic: (But they forgot HOW easy driving a cart IRL is) And thats why its so funny racing in GT5 - If it was as easy as IRL -It would be boring.
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Not to be a pain, but I need to disagree.

Driving, and specifically racing IRL is MUCH more difficult than racing in GT5. It's not even a comparison.
 
Lewis_Hamilton_
If cars in real life were as grippy as you make out, then accidents would be almost non-existent. And yes, cars can lose grip and under/oversteer at relatively low speeds. The reason why it seems so different in GT5 is because you do not have the same sensation of speed (no G-forces etc), and you are on a wide open track which hugely eliminates the sense of speed even further.

Doing 100mph on a 4 lane highway feels very different to doing 100mph through a town centre or country back lane.
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Yes You are right. But if You look at, HOW FEW accidents is taking place IRL (compared to the number of cars in the streets) - accidents are really rare. Most car owners have one or two minor accidents in their hole life...Try to recall the "good old" special event with the Lotus Elise on Top Gear Test Track...And imagine Your Grandma buying such a car, with such tires...She would wreck on the first meter on her way to the supermarket, even without flooring it...(Yes I did make the Gold in that event, but it was tough)
 
light driver
imagine Your Grandma buying such a car, with such tires...She would wreck on the first meter on her way to the supermarket, even without flooring it...
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Lawlz at however we got to that...

Racing Softs = noob tube <-- That's how I see it.
 
light driver
Yes You are right. But if You look at, HOW FEW accidents is taking place IRL (compared to the number of cars in the streets) - accidents are really rare. Most car owners have one or two minor accidents in their hole life...Try to recall the "good old" special event with the Lotus Elise on Top Gear Test Track...And imagine Your Grandma buying such a car, with such tires...She would wreck on the first meter on her way to the supermarket, even without flooring it...(Yes I did make the Gold in that event, but it was tough)
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IRL accidents rarely occur unlike in game, because in real life very rarely people drive on the limit of grip, they never turn into a corner while the tires fighting for grip, launch with full throttle, or brake as late as they can be. Imagine if all drivers on the street IRL drive like they are in game, pushing the car to the limit 24/7 from exiting driveway to destination = crashes every few seconds everywhere.

Game is just a game, people know if they crash, there's no real consequences, regardless of what tires or how many power their car have. There's no real fear in driving, except maybe losing and hurting one's ego.

People choose to drive with lower grip tire to feel the cars like if they were to be driven on the street ( legal ) and to get more closer performance like in real life counterparts.

Some goes even further, going to comfort medium or hard to challenge themselves, yes they are drivable perfectly, and won't cause more crashes than any higher grip tires, but that depends on the driver :) Here is one example :

Lancia Stratos '73 at Nurburgring GP/F, Comfort Hard, stock, no aids (ABS) 2:47.090
 
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light driver
Well if someone runs on race soft, You will have to do the same, if You want to compete. - Whats wrong about that?? If You don`t want RS, go to another room, or create Your own. Talking about "realism" and "driving simulator" - Well Your Grandma has a small car, hasn`t she? And her tires are standard tires aren`t they? And she drives it very well, without crashing, doesn`t she?? BUT she can`t drive one single meter in GT5 EVEN with Race Soft tires, can she??? The reason is, that the game is - a game... Its not realistic. but very fun. And it gives You the impression of driving IRL...
Let me say this: IF "Comfort Hard" or Comfort medium" was SO hard to drive on IRL, Your Grandma (and everyone else) would crash their car, less than one minute after having bought it, would`t they. Such tires would NOT be approved by the authoryties at all...Making a car skid IRL is not that easy. IRL cars have tremendous grip on their tires...
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Brilliantly put!
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Lancia Stratos '73 at Nurburgring GP/F, Comfort Hard, stock, no aids 2:47.090
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBBkw9P_lPs">YouTube Link</a>
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Mate that isn't that good, its ok but if you wanna see someone who is great search for ok8 on youtube and his Ring laps on CH tyres! A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIZWitIUYf0&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJ54QkUAX5I&feature=youtube_gdata_player

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2xDElz0gxc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 
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phil_75
Mate that isn't that good, its ok but if you wanna see someone who is great search for ok8 on youtube and his Ring laps on CH tyres! A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIZWitIUYf0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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That was just a practice run, not hotlap, so no quick lap times, but going for nice relax drive, and yes I know OK8, he is great wheel driver and he is on my friend list, we have the same preferences in GT5, comfort tires and no ABS :)

It does not have to be at the Ring to make a lap amazing, I have several videos of my no ABS run on comfort medium at various tracks, check them out, not amazing but at least I tried to be clean:sly:
 
Ridox2JZGTE
That was just a practice run, not hotlap, so no quick lap times, but going for nice relax drive, and yes I know OK8, he is great wheel driver and he is on my friend list, we have the same preferences in GT5, comfort tires and no ABS :)

It does not have to be at the Ring to make a lap amazing, I have several videos of my no ABS run on comfort medium at various tracks, check them out, not amazing but at least I tried to be clean:sly:
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Oh yes i agree, maybe in hindsight it sounds like i am dissing your lap but i'm not, good driving, its just ok8 looks more "spectacular"!;-)
 
CyKosis1973
All us noobs, in our Hondas, will leave you and your manky VW on the start line then
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Huh, I must have struck a chord there...so surly.

But, on a more serious (and less personal attack) note: I have no issue if someone wants to use RS tires - go for it. It's in the game, play how you want, have fun. I just won’t have anything to do with the room you are in.

Leaving all these “real world / your grandma” theories and comparisons aside: GT5 tire selection = a grip multiplier equation – that’s it. And in my opinion, RS tires (being at the far end of that equation) offer an over exaggerated amount of grip. If all you wanna do is mash the accelerator and fly around a track, then they are a great choice. But, if you want a more “rounded’ driving experience, cut back on your grip levels and learn throttle control and good braking technique…things that, sadly, newbs don’t want to worry about learning b/c they WANNA GO FAST (so they end up giving RS’s a bad rap).
 
GTI_mkV
Huh, I must have struck a chord there...so surly.

But, on a more serious (and less personal attack) note: I have no issue if someone wants to use RS tires - go for it. It's in the game, play how you want, have fun. I just won’t have anything to do with the room you are in.

Leaving all these “real world / your grandma” theories and comparisons aside: GT5 tire selection = a grip multiplier equation – that’s it. And in my opinion, RS tires (being at the far end of that equation) offer an over exaggerated amount of grip. If all you wanna do is mash the accelerator and fly around a track, then they are a great choice. But, if you want a more “rounded’ driving experience, cut back on your grip levels and learn throttle control and good braking technique…things that, sadly, newbs don’t want to worry about learning b/c they WANNA GO FAST (so they end up giving RS’s a bad rap).
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You do realize that the vast majority of people that play this game have neither the time to invest and/or the skill to master fast cars on hard tires at any track? For most GT5'ers it's just something fun to do, run around a track and have a good time. Your definition of a "rounded" driving experience is not the same as mine or anyone else's nor is your definition any better or worse than anyone else's. We're all entitled to our opinions of course including you, and mine is, I will let whoever shelled out their $70 for the game decide how they want to play it and enjoy it.
 
Another sore subject this one. An easy guess for the perceived resentment is the majority of open lobbies are Open Tire. Trying to find one with "proper" tire restrictions takes a lot more time to find. It frustrates guys who just want to jump on and not have to search and search for a Street Car room that runs Sports or Comfort tires. Simple.

Note: no moral judgement was cast about the Best Way to play GT5.
 
I'll repeat this before I start my post; not a single person here has said how someone else should drive (well, I think no one did), don't use it as an excuse.

Agreed with ncrthree also, the rate it is used with is my main frustration. It's not always easy to find (good, full) lobbies with these restrictions. I can join lobbies without restrictions, sure, but I would just be driving all by myself the whole time. It's a lot more fun to drive with others that think alike and are on a same level ("level" as in; use the same tires, aids, etc. not skill).

I've never had anyone come to a non restricted lobby and say, "can you change the tire restriction to comforts?", whereas in restricted lobbies it's not unusual to have someone ask (mostly demand) "change to racing tires" and when this doesn't happen they (sometimes) start to insult (regardless of the 14 other players that all want these restrictions)... until they get kicked. I guess these are the excpetions maybe, but it happens from time to time... why join, bother?
 
I've noticed that most online people prefer racing tires. Pretty hard to get into a room with sports cars and sports tires, even harder to get a stock sports car room. I made a thread about a year back about this.
 
JEMcG
I've noticed that most online people prefer racing tires. Pretty hard to get into a room with sports cars and sports tires, even harder to get a stock sports car room. I made a thread about a year back about this.
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Racing tires will give you the best traction when you launch off the line.the thing is people tune the crap out of their drag car and some people have 700-1200 hp.so racing tires is the tires people recommend using to get their cars do from 11secs to 8 secs in one tuning
 
lldantell
Racing tires will give you the best traction when you launch off the line.the thing is people tune the crap out of their drag car and some people have 700-1200 hp.so racing tires is the tires people recommend using to get their cars do from 11secs to 8 secs in one tuning
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I'm only interested in racing tires on race cars. I don't really care about whether they give you better traction or whatever. I like things stock.
 
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