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[A.A.Z.]

Honda Accord Wagon SiR: 84/100

A nice all-around package - good handling when stock, reasonable pace when tuned, cool race mod. It may lack some power though, but who cares It's much better than that Mugen Accord Wagon.

Next car: Venturi Atlantique 300 Bi-Turbo

 

[superberkut]

Venturi Atlantique 300 Bi-Turbo: 78/100

A solid drive, but not very awe-inspiring, as is the styling. It just lacks the aura of a Ferrari or a Lamborghini to me, but is by no means a bad car.

Next Car: Lister Storm

 

[TheBook]

Lister Storm: 75/100

A 600HP FR supercar-who'da thunk it? But unfortunately, it's handling leaves a lot to be desired. Mods do help some (ironically, I could get 666HP with a certain combo of upgrades), but it's not quite fast enough to hang with its class.

Next car: Mazda Mata C-Spec (?)

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Mazdaspeed Miata C-Spec: 60/100

The most awesome of all Miatas, especially with that redesigned body. Fast too, but still not fast enough to hang with the big boys. The FR drivetrain is fun when everything is under control, but it tends to get tail-happy sometimes, which makes this car quite a handful for novices. Still, it's the best Miata in the game.

Next Car: Mazdaspeed Miata B-Spec

 

[superberkut]

Mazdaspeed Miata B-Spec: 63/100

It seems like not much more than a Miata with a sticker... even the Miata C-Spec was reworked to become a very different-looking beast.

Next Car: Mini Cooper 1.3

Off-topic: What exactly limits the Lister Storm as a racer? I remember its gearing to be quite good, its power high (709hp) and I don't think it was too heavy...

 

[TheBook]

Off-topic: What exactly limits the Lister Storm as a racer? I remember its gearing to be quite good, its power high (709hp) and I don't think it was too heavy...

True, true, and true, but it also has loads of near-incurable understeer. That's why I rated it fairly low.

 

[superberkut]

I know the rating was low, but I also remember that the Lister was as slow as the A.I. drove it off the mark.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

The Lister is good for smooth driving only, but when you start to push it everything goes wrong. Understeer into a corner, then snap oversteer coming out of a corner. It's a car that demands respect. And I think it only has 5 gears (not sure). But the sound it makes is truly awesome.

Mini Cooper 1.3: 80/100

I always dig Minis, small cars that can beat the crap out of bigger, faster cars because of its low weight and exceptional handling despite being an FF. This one is no exception and it has another plus side: a totally cool rally-style RM (esp. the dark red with white stripes).

Next Car: Mercury Cougar XR7

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Mazdaspeed Miata B-Spec: 63/100

It seems like not much more than a Miata with a sticker... even the Miata C-Spec was reworked to become a very different-looking beast.

That's a great description!

 

[Parnelli Bone]

The Lister is good for smooth driving only, but when you start to push it everything goes wrong. Understeer into a corner, then snap oversteer coming out of a corner. It's a car that demands respect. And I think it only has 5 gears (not sure). But the sound it makes is truly awesome.

Mini Cooper 1.3: 80/100

I always dig Minis, small cars that can beat the crap out of bigger, faster cars because of its low weight and exceptional handling despite being an FF. This one is no exception and it has another plus side: a totally cool rally-style RM (esp. the dark red with white stripes).

Next Car: Mercury Cougar XR7

I think it's one of the best-looking muscle cars...almost handsome in a way (rather than grotesque). 👍

lotta power. lotta torque.

Lots of color we can buy

Power upgrades available...all 3 of them if I'm not mistaken.

One of the only muscle cars from the 60's that will top 150 mph stock.

A great drifter for those that can handle it. O

But...​

3-speed transmission? 👎

A chassis and springs you'd ordinarily find in a bed-mattress

Lots of understeer,....iffy brakes.

"Only" 567 horsepower at best.

Mercury was the more luxurious twin of Ford, so this is a heavier car than the '67 Mustang was. 3,134 pounds at the least. and there's no race-kit available, even though Cougars were raced just like Mustangs were in the 60s-era Trans-Am series.

...those 60s-era radial tires!



I rate it 67 out of 100

And next?

Please rate the '87 Toyota Starlet S and thank you.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

That has got to be the most colorful post in the whole thread .

 

[superberkut]

150mph stock? (buys car) The vaunted 'Vette can't even do 120!

Toyota Starlet S Turbo 1987: 74/100

Good hatchback, not particularly exceptional, and even a bit bland. Its predecessor of 16 years is a much more exciting car. A very good car for beginners, then, though the pros can have fun with the drive.

Next Car: Chevrolet Corvette Stingray 1969

 

[Parnelli Bone]

That has got to be the most colorful post in the whole thread .

I saw this band called Rainbow Caroliner recently. They're a terrible band, but very colorful--a bunch of old guys playing bad 60's music. Go to youtube and do a search for Rainbow Caroliner. And have a laugh.

150mph stock? (buys car) The vaunted 'Vette can't even do 120!

Yup. I have a feeling PD goofed on that. I had a '67 Mustang when i was 18. It had a 3-speed automatic. Once I went as fast as it could go, which happened to be 112 mph exactly. The car's aerodynamics & power curved prevented it from going any faster.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

I thought the top speed of muscle cars is limited by the gearing? They're short so that you can get maximum acceleration off the line, sacrificing the top speed. Surely the aerodynamics isn't that bad? If it is, how could muscle car dragsters achieve 200+ mph? In the case of the Cougar, maybe it's just geared longer than the other muscles, after all, it's more of a cruiser than a racer isn't it?

 

[Parnelli Bone]

I thought the top speed of muscle cars is limited by the gearing? They're short so that you can get maximum acceleration off the line, sacrificing the top speed. Surely the aerodynamics isn't that bad? If it is, how could muscle car dragsters achieve 200+ mph? In the case of the Cougar, maybe it's just geared longer than the other muscles, after all, it's more of a cruiser than a racer isn't it?

Well I bought my real-life Mustang in 1986 or 7. It had a 289 OHV V8 with just the 2-barrel carb (not the high-output 4-barrel, which woulda cost more). I think these cars only had about 220 horsepower when stock (but a lot of torque) and since my car had some miles on it, I'm sure it rated lower than 220. So when I drove it to max, it wasn't redlining; nor was it about to blow up...it just couldn't go any faster because of those poor aerodynamics many cars from the 60s (even the Corvette) had.

I really doubt the Cougar (in real-life) had such long gearing; especially as a 3-speed. The GT4 Cougar XR-7 has a 4-speed, which maxes out in revs at about 123 mph, which seems more realistic.

 

[Korza]

Can We Please Move On From GT2 to Something Like GT4 or even GT5 Prolouge?
I like the Xanavi Nismo Skyline on GT4.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Can We Please Move On From GT2 to Something Like GT4 or even GT5 Prolouge?
I like the Xanavi Nismo Skyline on GT4.

Can't do that in the GT2 forum, sorry. Rules is rules and if we go off-topic, heads are gonna roll!

just kidding. I'm sure GT4 has its own Rate A Car thread, but I've never seen it being used actively, and I personally don't play GT5 Prologue yet since I don't have an extra $600 sitting around.

But if anyone wants to oblige and break some rules go ahead and rate the Xanavi Nismo Skyline.

Or rate the '69 Corvette Stingray that Superberkut suggested earlier. I don't have any memory at the moment of driving the '69, although I'm sure I must have.

 

[loulou221]

Fot the Cougar, there was a 3-speed automatic transmission available with wide gearing and down-shifting capabilities to second below 71 mph...

'69 Corvette Stingray : 75/100

I love muscle cars, and I find this Corvette incredibly powerful. I enjoy drifting with this car. But there is also a lot of understeer and this car isn't able to compete with Vipers or modern Corvettes. A good car for drag-racing...

Next : '82 Corvette (if it's not already done)

 

[superberkut]

It likely has, but it is fun to get new interpretations. Parnelli has a review somewhere...

1982 Corvette: 71/100

Good-looking, but poor upgrades and thus speed. The racing modification is also a bit bland.

Next Car: Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 (1969)

 

[Rotary Junkie]

I really doubt the Cougar (in real-life) had such long gearing; especially as a 3-speed. The GT4 Cougar XR-7 has a 4-speed, which maxes out in revs at about 123 mph, which seems more realisitc.

Probably not QUITE as long as in the game, but long gears, yes.

Most likely a 2.73 rear gear as opposed to the 3.73-4.56 gears that were so popular back then.

3-speed slushbox ain't a four-speed with one gear missing; 3rd is 1:1, and in a Toploader 4th is 1:1.

 

[LeGeNd-1]

Chevrolet Camaro Z29 '69: 75/100

One of the better muscle cars in terms of handling, but it lacks power, even when fully-tuned. PD messed up the engine if I remember correctly. Still, it makes a great sound with the racing muffler and the race mod isn't too shabby either.

Next Car: still on the topic of muscles, but more modern...Chrysler Phaeton

 

[superberkut]

Chrysler Phaeton: 63/100

Not a car anybody can agree on, and upgrades are weak. Given that it is a concept, however, it actually does quite well. A stylish alternative to other rides, but less functional.

Next Car: Honda S2000 GT1

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Probably not QUITE as long as in the game, but long gears, yes.

Most likely a 2.73 rear gear as opposed to the 3.73-4.56 gears that were so popular back then.

3-speed slushbox ain't a four-speed with one gear missing; 3rd is 1:1, and in a Toploader 4th is 1:1.

I know that. Ford offered several transmissions & gear ratios even back in 1967 (just like they offered several engines) but I still doubt a 150+ mph Cougar rolling off the showroom floor, stock.

...I may do some research on this.

HONDA S2000 GT1

One of the true "sleeper" GT1 vehicles. With only 586 hp@9,000 rpms, and 341 foot-pounds of torque@8,500 rpms, you'd think it wouldn't have a chance in the World Cup, GT All Stars, etc. Despite the lowish torque, I remember the S2000 easily laying down power anywhere on the powerband!

Well, think again. Because this car has many other advantages: it weighs in at a Civic-like 2,116 pounds, has some really gluey aerodynamic limits (0.78 and 0.99) and just boogies thru those corners! Gears, suspension, and limited-slip are fully-modified from the get-go ..I think. Correct me if I'm not.

Some of the drawbacks? Well the price ($1,000,000!) is top of the list (not that the GT1 isn't worth it to those who can handle it). Also, it's one of those cars with too much maneuverability. Very fishtaily and nervous....intermediate players should probly go with an actual GT1 like the Toyota TS020 if they can't handle the S2000 GT1.

Also, my personal b!tch against the GT1 may seem trivial but here goes. we can only buy them in 3 color schemes: white, black and gray...all industrial tones. Woulda been nice to see something more flashy....the S2000 deserves a more colorful paint job for those who want it.

But I still rate it highly: 95 out of 100!

Next car: VW Lupo 1.4

 

[Rotary Junkie]

Well, i know that. Ford offered several transmissions & gear ratios even back in 1967 (just like they offered several engines) but i still doubt a 150+ mph Cougar rolling off the showroom floor, stock.

...i may do some research on this.

Not necessarily capable of pulling 150mph due to aerodynamic limits, but I'd believe it being geared for it.

You do NOT want a big-block pulling 4000 rpm on the freeway.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Not necessarily capable of pulling 150mph due to aerodynamic limits, but I'd believe it being geared for it.

Could be. When I have time I'll look into the matter further.

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Just a quick note.

Earlier when I rated the S2000 GT1, I said it only appears in GT2 and is apparently one of their fictional "LM" cars. Not true. Apparently, it is based on the Amuse S2000 GT1. Amuse is a tuner in case you're unfamiliar, and you can buy this car from the Amuse tuning shop in GT4 for $250,000 (not a million as GT2 quotes).

I haven't driven it yet, but it comes in 3 colors: white, black, and gray...just like the GT1 from GT2.

Oh and next car: VW Lupo 1.4...come on guys, hold your enthusiasm don't all rate it at once....

 

[TheBook]

Not necessarily capable of pulling 150mph due to aerodynamic limits, but I'd believe it being geared for it.

You do NOT want a big-block pulling 4000 rpm on the freeway.

But why? It'll still get 4 miles a gallon...

 

[A.A.Z.]

Next car: VW Lupo 1.4

Like Lancia Y, this car seems like a direct competitor to those K cars, but it actually blows them away - it does handle and doesn't understeer (I guess it just lacks power to) when stock and it can be a nice little race car when fully tuned having 0-100 km/h time of 6 seconds and being reeeally nimble.

83/100

Next car: Lexus IS200

 

[superberkut]

Just a quick note.

Earlier when i rated the S2000 gT1, i said it only appears in GT2 and is apparently one of their fictional "LM" cars. Not true. Apparently, it is based on the Amuse S2000 GT1. Amuse is a tuner in case you're unfamiliar, and you can buy this car from the Amuse tuning shop in GT4 for $250,000 (not a million as gT2 quotes).

Based on is key. The GT2 S2000 GT1 is a more brutal and purposeful machine in appearance, making the Amuse look like a farce. It is also quite sexy.

Lexus IS200: 79/100

The underpowered sibling to the Altezza, it is nonetheless a good driver's car, and with a better racing modification. The Advan scheme is hard to beat.

Next Car: Toyota MR-S Show Car

 

[Parnelli Bone]

Based on is key. The GT2 S2000 GT1 is a more brutal and purposeful machine in appearance, making the Amuse look like a farce. It is also quite sexy.

Yeah but i can't help but notice that both cars (the GT1 in GT2 and the Amuse GT1) are available in the exact same 3 colors. Therefore, the car in GT2 can't be all the stuff of fantasy. One day i literally went on a mad search trying to find what the "Camaro LM" in gT3 and 4 is based on...but coudn't find anything.

I guess the real answer will come when i manage to buy the Amuse S2000 GT1. Will it have about 550 horses like the GT2 S2000GT1? We shall see...

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Next Car: Toyota MR-S Show Car