Real Life Racers

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As with the majority of us, I struggle to find the funds to go racing. Done a lot of karting, tempted to step up and buy one but after my last experience of kart racing I'm not really liking the thought of it being hit constantly....

Instead I race simulators. Check out their website. There is no AI so its all against other drivers, making the racing 100% real even if the cars / track aren't. They have a number of cars and tracks for members to race, and they run a championship as well. Last Sunday I sealed the 2011 championship! :D They are still relatively new (though the simulators themselves have been developed for some 19 years or so now) but its hoped that in years to come they will be more recognised by the British teams.
 
Here is me in my old jensen 👍
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To the real life racers:
Ready for the new season? Spring is right around the corner, and it's time to start racing! We've got our yearly Tech and Dyno Day in a few weeks... I'm looking forward to getting back on track!
 
Bottoz
To the real life racers:
Ready for the new season? Spring is right around the corner, and it's time to start racing! We've got our yearly Tech and Dyno Day in a few weeks... I'm looking forward to getting back on track!

Oh heck yeah man I'm FLOORED (pun intended) for this season. My lemons/chump team can't race this year due to busy drivers, but a couple days ago I got a call from a friend of mine asking if I can race for him! I'm super excited about this.

To all those in the midwest that race chump/lemons; if you see a white and/or a yellow probe driven by a bunch of crazy old guys and one kid, yell something along the lines of "hey panda!" and il know to come find you.

Also I'm thinking I might make some GTPlanet stickers and put them on our cars. Just to make Jordan happy :sly:
 
Cool! Have fun!

... I'd run a GTP sticker if given one...

Jordan could make up a sticker package for anyone who races, that would be a bit expensive though.

I don't have enough time in the year, we have to miss some kart races becuase of the bike racing. I want to put numbers on my trailbike and do harescrambles. And It's almost immposible to find the time to do trials anymore.
 
gorsad
I used to drive arrive and drive go-karts a lot. The driving really doesn't compare to GT5, in wheel settings I'd suggest that the steering is way too smooth for a go-kart. Then again, I use a DS3 and I'm not sure how this translates to a wheel.
I just know that oversteering and countersteering using karts in GT5 was a problem for me at first (when I first started using the karts right after GT5 released). I haven't tried the karting much since the physics have been updated so it could feel more natural. On the kart tracks it felt a bit too smooth, but they're custom Course Maker kart tracks and those always have smooth surfaces. I can't remember trying them on non-kart tracks.

Anyone have real world karting experience like gorsad that can tell us more?


All quotes in this post are from this closed thread.
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=251893
DerNosferatu
Ok, here's my thought. I have a lot of co-driver experiences but first hand: I have driven a race-prepped Ford Sierra Cosworth (RWD version), Mini Challenge cupcar and a VW funcup beetle on both Spa Francorchamps and Zolder in Belgium. I do think you can actually take some of the sim abilities to the track, but experience wise you cannot and may not compare.

As a co-driver the thing that you really notice (especially if your light-weight like me) is that you have the feeling of being thrown around. When you're driving you have the anticipation of what the car is going to do because you tell it to, but as a co-driver you do not have that luxury and you feel all the forces working at your body.

The main thing you miss obviously is speed sensation and gforces. When playing GT5 I "feel" when the back steps out but I think I "feel" that because of an abnormality in pixel-direction (?), the image I am looking at does not move the way I expect it to (sounds weird but cannot explain it myself).
In a real car you feel when the back steps out with your behind in the seat and you can feel it a lot soon than you'd expect.
My weekend-car is a 944 and 3 years ago it was my only car, going to work in the snow, even then with that car the rear axle talks to your behind through the seat. "Watch it, lad. I'm about to break traction here! Wait for it ..... wow, nice catch, almost lost it there!"
Maybe this sounds like incoherent mumbling but I cannot explain it any other way but it comes down to this: a wheel cannot take the place of your behind, FFB emulates it together with the image you're seeing so you can have some indication but not a realistic one.

Yet another thing, the funcup was without servo-steering, as a lot of (race)cars are, and -my god- it feels like your arms are about to explode after 7 lap francorchamps something i haven't felt in GT5 on that very track. Force feedback cannot replicate that experience as force feedback is also used as a tool to converse to a gamer what the car is doing. This because gamers only have limited 3 way-communication, being hearing (quite realistic), seeing (only the screen), and feeling (only FFB).

Braking is another thing you cannot comprehend if you step into a racecar. You think you have to brake about here to make the corner. No, brake even further, further, even more further. Something the realy steering tells you but FFB doesn't. Neck-snapping, you wouldn't believe.

On the upside, as I already said, I do think that you can take the basic understanding of racing, track knowledge and the enhanced reaction times learned for racegames to the track as an advantage. But that being said, I think it's not fair to make a definitive comparison between the two. (unless weare talking about moving 3-axis simulators, but there,I lack any experience)

TLDR: simulations can help but they're still "simulations" of real driving/racing and FFB is even more simulated.

BTW: I own a G25 and I like it, no complaints, but see TLDR ;-)


f1webberfan
Well my only IRL "race" experience is with karts. And as they don't have servo-steering actually I find GT5 quite similar if you speak about the handling. I have a G27. After 10 laps in the IRL kart I can sense that my arm muscles are stiffened - literary.*
With the G27 in GT5 ... nah - I'm having more trouble trying to put the right lines on the track (handling), not to fight the strain in the arms ... if ever there is some strain. So far at least.
So as Jaywalker wrote:


Johnnypenso
I raced karts for several years when I was younger and as someone above pointed out, GT5 is not really close in terms of realism because so many of the sensory inputs are missing. Not that GT5 is bad, it just has some pretty severe limitations to deal with in terms of the sensory input it can provide. One thing that does help is a good sound system. I feel much more immersed in the game when I can turn it up loud, raise the db in the rear speakers where many of the cars' exhaust sounds come from and let the subwoofer really rumble.
 
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Wow, I didn't know that. Does he post sometimes or no? Not to bug him though. That'll be dumb.


Also, I realized before you posted that's there's 5 pages before my post, AND this is in a section that I'm never in, as I don't have any real world experience in motorsport. :(
 
race'emhard
Lucas Órdonez has a profile on GTP, and we all know what he does.

Dear PD...

:lol: Yeah. I'm sure Lucas either never uses it, or he is secretly under another name.....:sly: he can even be one of he guys in this Motorsport forum.
 
Woah talk about a blast from the past. I was just thinking about this thread the other day lol

How's everyone doing?
 
Recently started doing the Autocross thing. I'll agree that it IS a bunch of waiting for like 5 runs, but I'd rather do that than drop $10,000 on something which could easily be wrecked on a road course my first day out.

Plus I dont have the cash up-front to get the license and what-not.
 
Christhedude just ran in the ring 24 hour so hopefully he ran well and updates us.

I'm on an auto-x break this season bc I just bought a town house Friday. I'm hoping to save up a little for tires and to re-up my SCCA membership for next season.
 
Recently started doing the Autocross thing. I'll agree that it IS a bunch of waiting for like 5 runs, but I'd rather do that than drop $10,000 on something which could easily be wrecked on a road course my first day out.

Plus I dont have the cash up-front to get the license and what-not.
I posted the info about my car in post #43. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6292255#post6292255

You don't NEED license to run road track events. I have been road track running at Gingerman raceway and Grattan raceway for the last 10 years. Road track events are very safe. You will be placed in a "beginner" group which allows NO passing. They also have a lot more limitations for beginners to ensure safety. You also don't need to spend $10,000 on a car. You can bring ANY car to the events.

I haven't brought my 69 Camaro to the road track in a couple years. I really need to get some coil overs for the front of my Camaro before I go back. The hump jump after turn 4 on Grattan puts some abuse on the headers before and after the jump. I just put new headers on about a month ago. So to resolve this, I really need some coil overs up front before I go back. Also would like to get a front sway bar and maybe shorten the driveshaft about 1/2 inch. I also noticed this weekend that my Wilwood H composite racing pads will probably need to be replaced. I might have 1 more event on them and that's about it.
 
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Recently started doing the Autocross thing. I'll agree that it IS a bunch of waiting for like 5 runs, but I'd rather do that than drop $10,000 on something which could easily be wrecked on a road course my first day out.

Seconding CAMAROBOY69's comment, you can get serious track time in HPDEs for less than $10k. I think you'd find that a ~$2k Miata would work just fine in that environment, and for that money, you don't need to worry as much about wrecking it.

Also, it's not order-of-magnitude less than $10k, but for maybe half of that (assuming you farm out the cage work, and maybe only ~$3k if you do the cage yourself) you can get into ChumpCar or LeMons, which also don't require cash up-front to get a license to race. And you can get teammates to defray the cost.
 

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