Red Bull X Prototype In Question

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After Dan Wheldon's horrific crash at Las Vegas, I thought about the actual real world development of the Red Bull X1 prototype and if a car like that could possibly see the light of day. I personally think that it would just be too dangerous. Yes, a driver like Vettel would be up to the challenge of conquering such a monster, but i believe that Adrian Newey would have to consider factors like Dan Wheldon's crash in the development of the car. I realize we're talking about two totally different classes of racing, but the safety issues are the same. Thoughts anyone?
 
It was never really considered to be a car that was going to definitely be raced or even produced. From what I understood of the X2010, it was a car that was merely a scientific study. There are too many issues with the car itself even before you include the added safety issues that could arise from the Wheldon crash such as the G-Force possibly killing anyone who attempted to drive the car at full tilt and almost no tire available being able to stand up to the pressure from the car.
 
The point of the X1 is to create the ultimate racing car that isn't limited by regulations put in place by organized motorsport bodies. Safety was considered when in development, but the main goal is making the fastest, most powerful car in the world.
 
Its purely a theoretical car with no place in the real world at the current time.
 
The point of the X1 is to create the ultimate racing car that isn't limited by regulations put in place by organized motorsport bodies. Safety was considered when in development, but the main goal is making the fastest, most powerful car in the world.

Understood. But at the same time, something that limitless and non regulated would have any number of issues; with something that powerful and fast, safety has to be the MAIN issue in development.
 
Understood. But at the same time, something that limitless and non regulated would have any number of issues; with something that powerful and fast, safety has to be the MAIN issue in development.

Yes, which is why it likely will never see the light of day, unless it can be toned a lot and humans evolve to react at super-high speeds. :sly:

And if it is toned down enough to be acceptable for racing, it will be far closer to modern F1 cars than the original X1 design.
 
i think vettel could tame it in real life, the problem lies in the real world consequences, any mishap at those speeds and the driver is almost surely dead.
 
i think vettel could tame it in real life, the problem lies in the real world consequences, any mishap at those speeds and the driver is almost surely dead.

Before they could even wreck in that car they'd be killed by the G-forces. :scared:
 
I'm fairly certain that a g-suit would only be able to protect up to 9 G's. If the G-Force of the X2010 or the X2011 were only 150% of what a current F1 car's G-Force was, then the driver would likely blackout.
 
An easy way to slow the speeds is to make every turn a hairpin.

And every straight 50 feet long.
 
I wish that this crazy myth would die.

8 lateral g <<<< 11 vertical g (Red Bull air race).

A G-suit would not help in the event of excess lateral G's...G-suits squeeze your lower regions to force blood back into the brain so you don't pass out from blood loss...Lateral G's simply throw all of your brain into one side,and then the other side of your cranium with every turn...A G-suit would have zero effect in this car or any car.
 
I never said anything about a g suit. You wouldn't need one. The only reason pilots where g suits is because they take vertical loads which draw blood from the brain. Lateral loads don't do this. A human can maintain consciousness more easily in a high lateral g load than a high vertical g load.
 
I never said anything about a g suit. You wouldn't need one. The only reason pilots where g suits is because they take vertical loads which draw blood from the brain. Lateral loads don't do this. A human can maintain consciousness more easily in a high lateral g load than a high vertical g load.

Well G-suit or no G-suit,no human can go from 0 lateral G's to 8-10 lateral G's in less than .5sec and maintain control of any vehicle for any period of time...Do you really believe anyone can hold a wheel and turn it the opposite direction of the g's being endured in this ridiculous "wet dream" car?...I've pulled 5-6 vertical g's in an aircraft and it's not at all the same as lateral g's..
 
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Well G-suit or no G-suit,no human can go from 0 lateral G's to 8-10 lateral G's in less than .5sec and maintain control of any vehicle for any period of time
What evidence can you present on this? Why can fighter pilots do it in more extreme conditions than those found in the X1?

Do you really believe anyone can hold a wheel and turn it the opposite direction of the g's being endured in this ridiculous "wet dream" car?...I've pulled 5-6 vertical g's in an aircraft and it's not at all the same as lateral g's..

Yes, it sounds possible. I'm not aware of any car pulling 8g, but there are plane videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8i04jBLI5I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9wLKvXMxZ0 (about 2:05)
 
As has been said,vertical positive g's can be partially countered with a g-suit..No such suit exists,as far as I know,for lateral g,s..The only car technology,that I know that can transfer lateral g's to vertical g's is installed in the Carver car! A motorcycle works on the same principle:you lean into it...If the cockpit in the X2010 rotated in the curves to maintain vertical g's only,then perhaps you'll solve that problem...
 
There is no reason to do that. Later g is better than vertical. The X1 driver has less to worry about then the pilot. There is no need for a g suit. G suits are only needed for vertical g, so not having a g suit in a car doesn't matter.
 
I really dont get it why everybody is sayin that the x1 is just a theoratical car. No offense but within very few years if not now its possible to make that car.
The engine is that unrealistic. As its only made to last for a 1 or 2 races you can make an engine with way higher performance the engines used normally and im pretty sure the formula 1 teams could get that much out of an engine like that too.

The grip? with that vacuum cleaner at the back and the crazy aerodynamics is can easely run up to 8 g. Todays formula 1 cars can go up to 5.5-6g with all downforce putted on.

Would you get killed by the g force? No, as mentioned above Red bull air pilots are dealing with 11g so no problem at all. Maybe its not that healthy without a g-suit but you deffenently wont get killed.

I think that the only thing that's getting pretty to making on this car is the bolts and tires. Not sure you can make tires that can take that much presure but lets see. and the bolts, i just dont think that racing bolts can take that much presure from the wheels either.

This is just my opinion but i honestly think that the X1 isent impossible to make at the moment.
 
You can pull 7Gs in the X1/X2

You will pull 7Gs in a fighter jet during a dog fight in a space shuttle during take off.
You do 5Gs+ during a car crash.

And as for the G forces don't kill is rather false.

Short term G forces higher than 10 will not kill, but prelonged can.

The X1/2 also is unstable on the bumpy race tacks.

No tire in the world can take the G forces or stay at speeds of 400km/h for long

If the X1/2 has 500hp then it may be a car as the Gs wont be as bad and it will be alot slower and still safe.

Also most motor sports want to go green, the X1/2 uses 3 liters of fuel a lap on indy.
 
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X1
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X2
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X2010
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Understood?
 
My X1 is faster (Mach 1) Whats yours? Lol. And Yes, Understandable, but for those who dont know, it would just end up getting them royally confused and think we have either of the X1 examples above not realising the X2010=X1...
EDIT:could always follow suit with the F1 cars. Red Bull X2010 = RBX? Just a thought?
 
Well, it wouldn't be the first engine to pull more than 1,500hp. The Renaults were pulling that amount of power from their F1 cars THIRTY years ago. And the engine was half the size. Sure they only ran that hot for quali, but with double the capacity and 30 years of technology, just matching the power shouldn't present much of a problem.

Packaging it and the cooling should be fine also - it doesn't need gigantic intakes because at an average speed of 200km over a lap the volume of air passing through it is colossal. The gearbox and diff would have to be especially beefy though; superfast shifts with that much power at that speeds does put a lot of load on it.

The fan, well that's fairly straightforward. Just hook it up to the engine by whatever means, done. Getting it to vent cleanly from under the engine and managing the tubing around the engine/gearbox/etc could be interesting, but not impossible.

The tyres...well. The Veyron's tyres are rated for a 2 tonne vehicle at 400km/h continuous top speed for 10 minutes, and lateral G of about 1.5

So, using extremely simplified math (deal with it, it's late), that's 3000kg going sideways against the tyre. The X1 weighs about 500kg and pulls 8g, so that's ~4000kg going sideways at peak load. (incidentally, a F1 @ 600kg and 5g = 3000kg going sideways). So the tyre has to be 33% better than those grooved slicks they used in F1, and stand up to it.

Not been done before, but seemingly not impossible. You won't get long out of them, but they shouldn't explode instantly, in theory anyway.


From an aero standpoint, it all looks about right based on current trends (LMP1/2, mostly) and what's ideal. Medium fins, wider, lower wings (or narrow wings sitting between the wheels), getting airflow inside the rear tyres, etc.


The only possible problem right now is structure - the pylons holding up the front wheel covers are the wings (attached to the wing, attached to the mount, attached to the nose = too many joins that could cause bending and therefore scraping) and the nosecone mounts (one piece, could bend under aero forces at 500km/h?). Beef those up and it should be right. Also the rear wing mounts might use a bit of a beef up.

The diffuser is also an interesting piece - the 'floor' starts underneath the rear bodywork, then curls up to become the outer diffuser, just inside the rear wheels. There's some pretty severe forces that act in that area, maybe it would need to be thicker?


The rear wheel covers would need some sort of bracing as well, so they don't buffet into the wheel and cause the rears to stutter and grab.


Also, in the interests of safety, they MAY want to do something about it's performance in a sand trap. The smart money's on it's launching a bit, then becoming a lawn dart, launching some hapless driver out the canopy and into the crowd.
 
You can pull 7Gs in the X1/X2

You will pull 7Gs in a fighter jet during a dog fight in a space shuttle during take off.
You do 5Gs+ during a car crash.
5+ is really an understatement. 40+ is more like it, and it's survivable too.

And as for the G forces don't kill is rather false.
Who said this? You can be killed at any amount of g. But the notion that stepping into a car (which happens to be much less of stressful ride than a plane) will automatically kill you is ridiculous.

The X1/2 also is unstable on the bumpy race tacks.
If they were to build the X1, why not specialized tracks too? It wouldn't need to set foot on any existing track.
No tire in the world can take the G forces or stay at speeds of 400km/h for long
Not really an issue. F1 tracks are already designed to slow down F1 cars for basically the same reasons (safety). You could also throw in tire monitors, or a semi active autopilot that prevents the X1 from overstressing itself, just like aircraft.

If the X1/2 has 500hp then it may be a car as the Gs wont be as bad and it will be alot slower and still safe.
That wouldn't change the cornering g's very much.
 
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There is no reason to do that. Later g is better than vertical. The X1 driver has less to worry about then the pilot. There is no need for a g suit. G suits are only needed for vertical g, so not having a g suit in a car doesn't matter.

An automobile can achieve all types of G's - take spa for example, and multiply that thought by the fact that the X1 (plus X2?) it literally sucked to the ground.
 
Probably depends on the track really. Even if this car was built and replicated it's performance in GT5 (somewhat), the frequency of lateral g averages would impede a drivers performance greatly on more technical tracks.
 
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