Remembered one of the reasons that I stopped playing this game...

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I gave up on GT5 in early February for a number of reasons. Plugged my wheel back in 2 days ago and was having a little bit of fun again. Then I went online to race. Oh yeah, I remember one of the (many) reasons I stopped playing this game. Because people can't wait to make clean, smart passes!

Got into an argument in a 505PP Nurburgring room today with a guy who thought it was a good idea to try and pass on the outside through the sweeping left hand corners after Flugplatz leading up to Schwedenkreuz.

After a gentle landing coming off Flugplatz, I came up on two slower cars going through the right hander just after Flugplatz. I lifted a bit and proceeded to try and follow them through the left hand sweepers up to Schwedenkreuz.

That's when I see the car that had been in my mirror from Quiddelbacher through Flugplatz, is now on my outside, attempting to pass on about a half of a car width of track. Well guess what??? He bumps me when the nose of his M3 gets to my right front wheel, I lose grip, the guy behind me bumps me because I lost speed when I lost grip, I spin! :grumpy:

We get to arguing and he swears that if he was on the outside, I HAD to have bumped him. There was "NO WAY" he could've bumped me if he was on the outside. Well, he did bump me but I was trying to get him to realize 1.) I had the line through there. I was ahead of him. He needed to back off. And 2.) that passing on the outside, on that part of the track, is just plain dumb!

Anyone who's properly driven the Ring in this game or watched any Youtube videos of races at the Ring, would know what the line is through that portion of the track. They would be stupid to try and pass on the outside through that portion of the track.

Honestly, the guy was faster then me. I saw him in practice. Not much faster at all but faster nontheless. If he would've waited till we got to Aremburg, I would've gladly let him pass. I wasn't giving up my line coming up to Schwedenkreuz though. That's a tricky part of the track.

Am I asking too much for people to understand that the Ring is a narrow track and that you really have to be selective about where you pass?

Watch this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NOJYwaa6ZI Go to 2:45. He's just about to come up to Flugplatz. The line that is taken in this video is exactly the line I took. Imagine a car trying to overtake on the outside after Flugplatz when the natural line through that portion of the track for ONE CAR, takes the entire width of the track.


Rant over.
 
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1. Public lobbies rarely work.

2. Not everyone believes (or understands) clean racing.

3. Join a league or find members on here to race with.

4. Yes, you're asking too much, especially from a public lobby.

5. Rants like this never get you anywhere.
 
You make it sound like GT5 is the only racing game that has this problem, lol. There is a simple way to fix this: Do a bunch of online races, find the "clean passers" from each of those races, friend them, create a private lobby with those friends and race with them. Problem solved.
 
That seems like something you wouldn't forget and from the detailed post you made you seemed to clearly remember how online racing can be.

I don't argue with poor racers. If I want to finish the race, I just give them room and wait for the mistake so I have plenty of room to pass. Otherwise I just leave and find a better group.

In my opinion, arguing with someone over an open mike during a race is very poor sportsmanship because it can be distracting to the other racers.
 
If people race dirty it's their loss. They aren't enjoying the game to its fullest. You win in these typical situations.
 
There are alot of people that are under the belief that you can pass on every corner on the ring. And majority of the time, it just does not work. Admittedly, there are times when yes, a ballsy banzai move can stick without ruining anyones race (That left hand sweeper at Klostertal, I pulled off a briliant overtake on the outside, made it stick, no one lost any real time, everyone continued racing).
 
Avoid public lobbies, join a racing league or find like minded racers, and find you love of GT5 return. I'm enjoying the game as much now as I ever have, and it's due to WRS online races.
 
iamjajo
That seems like something you wouldn't forget and from the detailed post you made you seemed to clearly remember how online racing can be.

I don't argue with poor racers. If I want to finish the race, I just give them room and wait for the mistake so I have plenty of room to pass. Otherwise I just leave and find a better group.

In my opinion, arguing with someone over an open mike during a race is very poor sportsmanship because it can be distracting to the other racers.
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I hear ya. It took a while before I had the thought "WTF am I arguing with this guy for?" before I stopped. We were texting though. No mics. That can be distracting too though.

Bushby_23
There are alot of people that are under the belief that you can pass on every corner on the ring. And majority of the time, it just does not work. Admittedly, there are times when yes, a ballsy banzai move can stick without ruining anyones race (That left hand sweeper at Klostertal, I pulled off a briliant overtake on the outside, made it stick, no one lost any real time, everyone continued racing).
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You're right. We've all done that ballsy move. I always save balsy moves for breaking zones though. That can end in disaster often but I think that's more acceptable then trying to outrun someone, flat out, in a closely matched car on a narrow track.

If he would've just waited till we got to Aremberg, I'd have moved over so he could have the inside and he could've went along his merry way. Haha! Oh well...

mcfizzle
Avoid public lobbies, join a racing league or find like minded racers, and find you love of GT5 return. I'm enjoying the game as much now as I ever have, and it's due to WRS online races.
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I'll look into those. Thanks!
 
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Makes me remember how life was before online racing... or DLC's.. or patches.. lots less complaining..
 
Honestly, I never drive on the Ring and expect to have a clean race. It's way too narrow for most of GT's inexperienced and impatient drivers.

Ring=Free Run
Every other track=Serious Racing
 
Good online experience = Private room

Public lobbies shouldn't even exist. In ANY game.
 
I got so fustrated with the online play back in Janurary that I too quite going online. Haven't been online since. Had a good list of friends I used to race with but most of them have move on to other games. I mainly just stick to doing the TT's. I have recently joined the WRS so I'm going to give that a try.
 
HuskyGT
Good online experience = Private room

Public lobbies shouldn't even exist. In ANY game.
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Bullcrap.

Just because you haven't had any fun or any good online races in the public lobbies doesn't mean no one has.

I love them and have had some cracking races. I must have 50 + replays of close clean races on my PS3 95% of which have come from public lobby racing.

I tend to find organised leagues get a bit stale. You quickly find where your pace is compared to the other members and races become fairly predictable. I guess it is partly due to not having the kind of life where I can guarantee to be at my PS3 at a certain time or be able to practise and tune for particular events but I just don't find them as much fun as just jumping in a car and going racing, learning as I go.

Really, I just want to get online after a hard day and race. After only a few weeks of doing this I soon had a full friends list of clean drivers and hosts and can pretty much find a good race anytime I login.

Racing in the public lobbies just takes a bit of common sense and the ability to socially interact with people from all sorts of backgrounds.

It's really not the nightmare some of the GT5 snobs like to make it out to be.

[EDIT - not necessarily calling you a GT5 snob Husky as I have no idea what you are like beyond your opinion posted above]

Equally, I've seen plenty of ungentlemenly driving in organised leagues as well as non race related behaviour which isn't really fair to all participants and favours particular segments of a community.

I've said it before but people don't seem to get it... clean racing begets clean racing. The more clean racers there are in the public lobbies, the more clean racers will join them and so on and so forth.

On this same note I tend not to take seriously someones opinion on how clean they are or aren't until I've raced them several times.

I've read a thousand stories here on GTP that go something like "joe blow tapped me when going for a pass. I didn't bother to consider that this could have been a mistake or perhaps lag and i certainly didn't wait until after the race to ask instead I just punted him off at the next bend. I CAN'T STAND dirty drivers".

Because of stories like this I tend to suspect that many supposedly clean racers may be quick hot lappers but simply aren't clean racers. Many seem to be clean when it suits them and petulant when it doesn't.

Blah.
 
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As with anything in life, there are good and bad - Public lobbies are no different.

I found a few really good lobby hosts and stick with them for completely clean and honest racing, and that's the key really, finding a respectable host. You'll have to wade through all the kids who hum down their mics, the rammers and the sore losers, but they are out there.

When I try a lobby I've never heard of the host I race to the standard I'm given, completely clean until the first "assault", then I go on an all out revenge war. Fun for one race, but then I look elsewhere. There's no point sticking around the same bunch of people if there's one among them who cannot be bothered to even attempt braking etc.

I tend to completely avoid rooms occupied by X's, mostly because I can't drive the damn thing with any level of consistency with a DS3, but secondly I'd rather have a giggle driving a real car well.

(If you really want to see truly bad driving just take out your copy of NFS The Run and run any of the online races. It's a true basher's playground on there)
 
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Open lobbies are bit of a minefield but there are ways to improve the exprience over time.

1. Finding good hosts is hit and miss, but when you do, shoot them an FR then look for them when you are racing.

2. Avoid most reverse grid rooms as they are usually chaos. Racing is about qualifying and the grid sorted from fastest to slowest, makes for cleaner racing.

3. Avoid off the wall PP levels. I generally avoid anything over 550 on any kind of tire unless it's a GT500 room and even then if there are no limitations I avoid that too.

4. When you put your cursor over the room icon and the current set up is revealed, if it does not match the room title, skip that room, because the original host is gone and chaos has taken over.

5. Always tick "SRF" off...always.

6. Harder tire compounds often encourages better drivers to join and lesser drivers to stay away, although it's just a tendency, not a golden rule.

7. I almost always avoid shuffle rooms but some people like them. I find the driving just as bad only the tires are usually quite hard and whereas on race tires guys can keep the back and front end under some control, Shuffle racing leads to a lot of pinballing in my experience.

8. Learn to drive defensively and anticpate dirty moves. For example, in the first corner, if you are anywhere but at the back of the grid, hug the inside of the track all the way to the corner. Much of the contact happens here, guys entering too fast and they slide to the outside and you slip by inside. Even if you get hit from behind, usually you'll be ok.

Don't go two wide with anyone unless you've raced with them and know their habits, especially in the first lap. Give up the position, follow them for a while, usually they'll make a mistake anyway and you can slip by. If they don't, then try to make a squeaky clean pass and see how they follow you.

Never follow anyone too close unless you know their driving habits. Lots of guys on GT5 have wonky braking habits, usually too deep, but often short and if you rear end anyone, even accidentally, you'll often create an enemy.

9. Always apologies for any contact you make at the first opportunity after the race, even if you aren't sure it's your fault. Other drivers do see this and take note and even though we never say it because we're all such manly men, we do appreciate common courtesy.

10. Not everything done to you is on purpose. People make mistakes. If someone hits you once it could be an error under braking, a missed apex, hit the throttle too soon or lag. Give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. Couple of weeks ago in an organized race I got rammed hard from behind in the first corner at Monaco where it looked like the guy behind me didn't brake at all. When I watched the replay, he was about 3-4 car lengths behind me, then the video skipped and he had moved towards the apex of turn 1 and I was into the wall. Obviously lag, although during the race I thought it was intentional. When I talked to him after, he couldn't understand why I drove straight into the wall because from his view he never touched me, although on his replay he can hear the contact between us, just didn't see it and neither did I.
 
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GT5 is not all online you know, the times I've been playing it, i was fair, clean races. Although I have to admit that I screwed it sometimes, I'm still an online n00b.

But c'mon there are thousands of rooms available, or search for the Jp... one of the most difficult races I ever had online!

Nothing is perfect outhere, but yeah, there are lot of bad bad drivers.
 
Unless your playing with fellow GTP members (which I HIGHLY suggest as they provide the cleanest and nicest races) or people that you know are clean/respectful, expect a bunch of rather "stupid" people who pass on the tightest of corners, go bumper-bashing in corners, and complain more than a millionaire.

If the section you were in was a corner when he was trying to pass, then he had no right to do so. If it was a straight section (or partially straight even), then he had every right to pass since, as you said, he was "faster than you".
 
I stopped reading at "Got into an argument"

Arguing online is much like pissing in the wind. Both parties become more upset with each others rage, than the event that caused the hard feelings to begin with.

Apologize, and let it go. If they become argumentative, mute. If they retaliate the next race, leave.
 
Its like driving in the real life, someupset you, but if you continue arguing it will not end well, as XXI said, Apologize, and let it go.
 
I learned through the multiple times I played on the ring.

Just wait to do anything after Schwedenkreuz. 70% of the bad racers will try their poor moves on the beginning of the race and mess up.

Some races I even really slow down and let them pass and just do my lap "collecting" the dead bodies all over the track. It's funny to see... 1, 2, 4, 5 guys pass you like mad and then you see them spun on the track.

It really works, try.
 
1st reply pretty much covered my opinion. Anyway, I stopped racing online because I am too casual for people like the OP (I'm not too worried about the best real life line through -- or the names of -- turns like Scqhvewwweekznzz at the Nurburgring) and too serious for most of the people who come to my lobbies (I like to drive 400-600pp with aids off).

I need to find e-pals who have the same GT5 style as I have.
 
I know what you mean on this one, OP. The people that are faster, seem to think they own the whole road. If you don't move over and let them pass, they'll just shove right by. That's one of the most annoying things about online racing. Has happened to me in league racing that was set up on this site also. Personally, i find it much more fun to watch for the guy in front to leave an opening, then get a clean pass as you dart out of the corner from your late apex.

Best thing to do, is find some people you enjoy racing with. Whenever I find someone that I enjoy racing with, I send them a friend request. Then I just join the rooms I see them in, and it usually leads me to a fairly clean room.
 
Why are you expecting this on a Playstation 3? Not everybody cares about 24/7 practicing on a game as Gran Turismo 5, which is not realistic at all. Have fun for once, and don't care about precision. Please never force aids online, because somebody would only care for it because it isn't hardcore and realistic. GT5 is neither of those, so quit picking on people who can drive for 1 or 2 hours a day and not 10 or 20 a day. If you don't want to spin, turn driver aids on, because this game is neither hardcore, realistic or interesting.

Give us a actual storyline with actual events, and lose the option online to force everybody to turn off aids.

Call it Gran Turismo 6 and not a racing simulator, because that has messed up many time of me trying to find an actual room were I can race like a girl who isn't hardcore and realistic at all and, as I caption some ''hardcore sim drivers''

''Should play Need for Speed'' - Hardcore sim drivers

Maybe I would. Because Need for Speed lets me do something with my time, other then gathering endless amounts of money for undetailed cars.
 
lowwatt
Why are you expecting this on a Playstation 3? Not everybody cares about 24/7 practicing on a game as Gran Turismo 5, which is not realistic at all. Have fun for once, and don't care about precision. Please never force aids online, because somebody would only care for it because it isn't hardcore and realistic. GT5 is neither of those, so quit picking on people who can drive for 1 or 2 hours a day and not 10 or 20 a day. If you don't want to spin, turn driver aids on, because this game is neither hardcore, realistic or interesting.

Give us a actual storyline with actual events, and lose the option online to force everybody to turn off aids.

Call it Gran Turismo 6 and not a racing simulator, because that has messed up many time of me trying to find an actual room were I can race like a girl who isn't hardcore and realistic at all and, as I caption some ''hardcore sim drivers''

''Should play Need for Speed'' - Hardcore sim drivers

Maybe I would. Because Need for Speed lets me do something with my time, other then gathering endless amounts of money for undetailed cars.
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What are you talking about? With all due respect, your post doesn't make much sense at all. This isn't a discussion about using aids or not. It's not a thread about GT6 or NFS. You should re-read the whole thread.
 
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STORYLINE!!!!!!!!!!!

lol That's not right. I don't know what I'd think/do if they added a storyline. One of the reasons why I keep playing GT5 is for it's gameplay that doesn't include having to follow anything in particular. The way previous GT's were with Licenses is the only "storyline" that should be in GT.


I'm not "hardcore" at all, by the way.
 
t_w_a_h
Bullcrap.

Just because you haven't had any fun or any good online races in the public lobbies doesn't mean no one has.

I love them and have had some cracking races. I must have 50 + replays of close clean races on my PS3 95% of which have come from public lobby racing.

I tend to find organised leagues get a bit stale. You quickly find where your pace is compared to the other members and races become fairly predictable. I guess it is partly due to not having the kind of life where I can guarantee to be at my PS3 at a certain time or be able to practise and tune for particular events but I just don't find them as much fun as just jumping in a car and going racing, learning as I go.

Really, I just want to get online after a hard day and race. After only a few weeks of doing this I soon had a full friends list of clean drivers and hosts and can pretty much find a good race anytime I login.

Racing in the public lobbies just takes a bit of common sense and the ability to socially interact with people from all sorts of backgrounds.

It's really not the nightmare some of the GT5 snobs like to make it out to be.

[EDIT - not necessarily calling you a GT5 snob Husky as I have no idea what you are like beyond your opinion posted above]

Equally, I've seen plenty of ungentlemenly driving in organised leagues as well as non race related behaviour which isn't really fair to all participants and favours particular segments of a community.

I've said it before but people don't seem to get it... clean racing begets clean racing. The more clean racers there are in the public lobbies, the more clean racers will join them and so on and so forth.

On this same note I tend not to take seriously someones opinion on how clean they are or aren't until I've raced them several times.

I've read a thousand stories here on GTP that go something like "joe blow tapped me when going for a pass. I didn't bother to consider that this could have been a mistake or perhaps lag and i certainly didn't wait until after the race to ask instead I just punted him off at the next bend. I CAN'T STAND dirty drivers".

Because of stories like this I tend to suspect that many supposedly clean racers may be quick hot lappers but simply aren't clean racers. Many seem to be clean when it suits them and petulant when it doesn't.

Blah.
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I totally agree with your point of view, but it isn't at all bullcrap. I've had incredible races on public rooms and met good people as well, but that's like in 5% of all the time I've spent in public rooms. The rest is just listening to people yell bad words, crashing into me and kicking me out for no reason... I guess it's just bad luck in my part. Anayway, I don't really play online that much. Maybe just once a month or so...
 
LOL. You quit GT5 because people YOU meet in public lobbies don't race is like quitting Call of Duty because of "campers".. It's not Gran Turismo 5's fault that people are dirty.. It's up to you to find good racers, the way to find good racers is to make more realistic rooms that use SS tires or less.
 
I have had so many friend requests just from hosting a clean room online (with proper tires) so you're welcome to join me anytime.
 
MOTORTRENDmitch
LOL. You quit GT5 because people YOU meet in public lobbies don't race is like quitting Call of Duty because of "campers".. It's not Gran Turismo 5's fault that people are dirty.. It's up to you to find good racers, the way to find good racers is to make more realistic rooms that use SS tires or less.
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It's not always possible to get a room running and successful with "good" settings. I guarantee most people don't have time to create and support a room, it can take hours at times to get something going.
 
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