Respect for those who can...

[RedBaron]

Wouldn't BMW's have the equivelant of S tyres though? The Yellowbird definitely would.

No, I never had Pirelli P-Zero or Michelin Pilot Cup tyres, because my cars are daily drivers and I dislike idea paying more for tires than for fuel.

And because GT4 has the same weird N1-R3 tyre formula for all cars, there was huge spread between different cars in tyre accuracy. Real life Yellowbird on obsolete 80's Dunlops reached similar Nordschleife times to GT4's version on N2 or N1 tyres. When you equip your car with S1 or better tyres, you can forget drifting. But we are talking about Prologue now.

 

[dzidza]

I was wondering if anyone knew this tameturtle (NL) guy? had nothing but crap from him intentionally slamming his brakes on in front of me on the straights last night at PP600 and then the damn cheek to leave the later races on the grid as if I was the problem ... I will make sure he has a taste of the same crap next time I'm on the track with him 👎

Sorry for offtopic! just that name was fresh in my mind

Mr P, we had a great race yesterday, if you where wondering why i didn't overtake on suzuka on that long straits, it's cause i was admiring your car, it was beautifull.

hope to see you soon and race with you :-)

I prefer clean race rather then winning dirty

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Pushing cars near limit is still much easier than in GT. But the worst thing in Pro mode is that cars are too loose even when cruising. Sorry to say that, but it's really that bad. PD still isn't implementing tyre physics and they still supplementing it with that old and plain wrong N1-R3 choices and some stupid formula underneath them. And I'm saying that after owning many BMW's in RL, enjoying them on windy roads, also drifting occasionally, and after hundreds of hours spent in GT4 and Yellowbird/N2 tyres and being huge fan of simulation.

Anyone remember the Simulation Tyres in GT4? Those where the only I had the feeling they act the same as real world tyres and I spend most of my time with them at time trials. I really hope they come back because that was the real thing for me!

No, I never had Pirelli P-Zero or Michelin Pilot Cup tyres, because my cars are daily drivers and I dislike idea paying more for tires than for fuel.

And because GT4 has the same weird N1-R3 tyre formula for all cars, there was huge spread between different cars in tyre accuracy. Real life Yellowbird on obsolete 80's Dunlops reached similar Nordschleife times to GT4's version on N2 or N1 tyres. When you equip your car with S1 or better tyres, you can forget drifting. But we are talking about Prologue now.

I have Michelin Energy Saver tyres and they arent expensive and really provide lots of grip and are easy to control- only downside is in wet conditions they suddenly become really bad! I have a Renault Clio 2.0 which was represented very good in GT4 using Simulation tyres, i just dont get nearly the same feeling for any car in GT5P, which is a shame ...

 

[AERO_HDT]

ZABEU: Thanks a lot, but please stop calling (at least me) "legendary". I'm still alive here ...

YOU ARE A LEGEND.


Hehehe!

 

[Type_R_]

Thanks a lot, but please stop calling (at least me) "legendary". I'm still alive here ... I'd also like to return the favour as best I can and express my respect for your very clean, courteous and fluid driving.

Until recently, I used to use an old GT Force. With the G25 now I'm not dramatically quicker (if any quicker at all) but it sure feels a lot better.

This is from driver everybody knows.I hope those stupid '2 sec of your time when using G25' opinions ends.If using clutch your gear changings are quicker,everything else is harder.There is some kind of need in here to make that wheel look easyer to get faster laptimes.If you dont believe me,try it before posting.
Only thing fastest times are meny times made by G25,is talentet drivers,who want the best wheel there is!

 

[Mr P]

Mr P, we had a great race yesterday, if you where wondering why i didn't overtake on suzuka on that long straits, it's cause i was admiring your car, it was beautifull.

hope to see you soon and race with you :-)

I prefer clean race rather then winning dirty

Cheers mate! I remember racing you last night but I never knew you were a GTP member .. I usually look for the GTP tag, but I do know you were very fast, clean and fair when racing and I also look forward to racing you again
Cya soon
Ron.

 

[RedBaron]

I have Michelin Energy Saver tyres and they arent expensive and really provide lots of grip and are easy to control- only downside is in wet conditions they suddenly become really bad!

Yes, but exactly those "energy saver" type tyres are N1 at best

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks a lot, but please stop calling (at least me) "legendary". I'm still alive here ... I'd also like to return the favour as best I can and express my respect for your very clean, courteous and fluid driving.

Until recently, I used to use an old GT Force. With the G25 now I'm not dramatically quicker (if any quicker at all) but it sure feels a lot better.

This is from driver everybody knows.I hope those stupid '2 sec of your time when using G25' opinions ends.If using clutch your gear changings are quicker,everything else is harder.There is some kind of need in here to make that wheel look easyer to get faster laptimes.If you dont believe me,try it before posting.
Only thing fastest times are meny times made by G25,is talentet drivers,who want the best wheel there is!

Of course they are very talented, but you can not deny the fact that 0.1 sec/gear change (I guess this varies in different cars) is an advantage... And I don't in anyway think it will make being fast easier (how would that be possible), probably even harder, but it does give you the possibility to be even faster. Don't you think?

edit: that .1 sec was just an estimation from what have been seen in GT Academy.

 

[Stotty]

Damn, and there I was hoping the G25 that's just been delivered to me here at work was going to let me run 2'14's... think I'll ask for a refund.

 

[Timppaq]

Damn, and there I was hoping the G25 that's just been delivered to me here at work was going to let me run 2'14's... think I'll ask for a refund.

Mine should come soon too... 👍 I think 2'13 is possible.. kidding.

 

[Synwraith]

If I may suggest, give yourself 50 laps to learn the basics of toe, camber etc... Drive the car stock, then adjust one value to max / min... feel the car for 3 laps... continue this with smaller steps... I'm sure you got the point ..you won't regret it. 👍

Thank you again What I have managed to do so far is just increase, for example, the camber bit by bit until I see the "Cornering Level" coloured bar on the right tick up one little step, then I know I've improved something. I also make sure the "Stopping Power" bar has not gone down.

I'm aware that I could be changing things for the better, and the coloured bars would not show it, but I've been sticking to obvious clues for the time being. Gotta start somewhere right?

ZABEU: Thanks a lot, but please stop calling (at least me) "legendary". I'm still alive here ...

YOU ARE A LEGEND.
Hehehe!

You don't have to be dead to be legendary

Damn, and there I was hoping the G25 that's just been delivered to me here at work was going to let me run 2'14's... think I'll ask for a refund.

I've just put in a pre-order for the G26 (!), because it says "Guranteed to lap faster than Zabeu and Timppaq" on the box...

All the best,
Synwraith

 

[Stotty]

Ordered mine Monday afternoon, delivered 9am this morning... just got to wait for the wheelstand pro to come now... though I may risk screwing it to the coffee table tonight just to try it out.

It's my first wheel and I'm as excited as a little kid on Xmas morning!

 

[Synwraith]

Ordered mine Monday afternoon, delivered 9am this morning... just got to wait for the wheelstand pro to come now... though I may risk screwing it to the coffee table tonight just to try it out.

It's my first wheel and I'm as excited as a little kid on Xmas morning!

Many congratulations mate! When I finally get around to ordering one and somehow convince the other members of the house to let me have it, it will be my first as well.

I'd be really interested to hear your first impressions and experience with the G25 once you start using it having been so used to a PS controller up until now.

All the best
Synwraith

 

[Stotty]

By the way, haven't opened it yet, but the box is bloody heavy - bodes well for build quality.

 

[zabeu]

AERO: you, you ... you bloody legend yourself! There, now that showed you real good, eh? If you don't stop it, I'll let you win all our future races. And don't worry, I'll make it look just natural.

About the clutch: I don't use it. I've tried it once and it didn't feel right. After braking through all of GT3+4 with the left foot I was too lazy to make the transition anyway

I'm a bit sceptical about the advantage the clutch is supposed to give. A tenth per gearchange is pretty hefty, not impossible but certainly massive. Then again, I don't take part in the academy TT so cannot contribute much of value about that in particular.

But I've recently watched two impressive top-performer hotlap replays: Arcade TT, NSX, Suzuka. One is a japanese guy using the clutch, the other is the inimitable el_greco. He's about as quick as the former, at most a tenth later at the line iirc, but without the clutch. I gather that where it matters to me, whatever advantage the clutch may give is not even essential.

 

[Jay]

Of course they are very talented, but you can not deny the fact that 0.1 sec/gear change (I guess this varies in different cars) is an advantage... And I don't in anyway think it will make being fast easier (how would that be possible), probably even harder, but it does give you the possibility to be even faster. Don't you think?

edit: that .1 sec was just an estimation from what have been seen in GT Academy.

The small gain on each shift ( I personally don't think there is a 0.1 gain, less than that) is quickly lost and then some when you miss a shift, which is not uncommon. There is a much smaller margin of error. I personally have never had a problem as I took to it straight away from my real life experience, but watching my Nephew who is great with his DFP have to relearn using the G25 you realise how much extra workload is involved, when he first started he sometimes forgot to brake worrying about his downshifts.

I don't use the G25 w/clutch for any possible advantages but purely for enjoyment.

 

[Timppaq]

The small gain on each shift ( I personally don't think there is a 0.1 gain, less than that) is quickly lost and then some when you miss a shift, which is not uncommon. There is a much smaller margin of error. I personally have never had a problem as I took to it straight away from my real life experience, but watching my Nephew who is great with his DFP have to relearn using the G25 you realise how much extra workload is involved, when he first started he sometimes forgot to brake worrying about his downshifts.

I don't use the G25 w/clutch for any possible advantages but purely for enjoyment.

I agree 100%. The gain may be less than 0.1, and as I said it will most propably depend on the car, but there for sure is some gain. I'm thinking it can be seen more in the "normal", (not so powerful) cars as the 350z, where slipping the clutch will give you more advantage.

I hope you all don't get me wrong here.. when I'll get my G25, I will do the same as Zab, and use the paddles. It will be a relief, as my DFP's right paddle is broken and shifts 2-3 gears at once, so I use the stick for up, left paddle down. I would be even slower if I'd try with the H-shifter.

 

[Vaxen]

It will be a relief, as my DFP's right paddle is broken and shifts 2-3 gears at once, so I use the stick for up, left paddle down.

I have the exact same problem, and do the exact same thing!

 

[Timppaq]

I have the exact same problem, and do the exact same thing!

I'm thinking that opening + cleaning could help with this? ...I'll try it.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

Yes, but exactly those "energy saver" type tyres are N1 at best

Really? Hmmm why am I not sliding around like crazy then when I drive my car as fast as I can ,on knifes edge all the time?
Actually I had exactly two slides in about 3 years in RL and i try pushing real hard especially on 180° hairpin corners. All I get is a little tyre squeech and thats it! If I try that on N tyres in GT i will lose it immediately without any chance of recover!?
Oh and Energy savers are not all the same , i had others ( Michelin again) , but those had much better grip in wet conditions.
I beat so many BMWs and Mercs with my little Clio in accelleration and corner speed, i just refuse to think of road tyres like the Michelins as N1s!

Big respect to those who manage to make it look like they re on rails in GT5 though 👍

PS : You want good snow tyres ? Go for Micheline Alpins, they maybe not cool or expensive, but you wont regret it

 

[RedBaron]

Oh and Energy savers are not all the same , i had others ( Michelin again) , but those had much better grip in wet conditions.
I beat so many BMWs and Mercs with my little Clio in accelleration and corner speed, i just refuse to think of road tyres like the Michelins as N1s!

Big respect to those who manage to make it look like they re on rails in GT5 though 👍

PS : You want good snow tyres ? Go for Micheline Alpins, they maybe not cool or expensive, but you wont regret it

You have weight advantage on your side, mercs and bmw's are heavy trains, though driving bmw's is always very pleasant experience. And Clio Sport is one of the best hatches on this planet. I had Dunlop Wintersport M3 3D and they're nothing worse than Michelins, very good snow tires. I don't know your prices, but Michelins are tyres with worst bang for the buck ratio here.

 

[H20HYBRID_GT]

You have weight advantage on your side, mercs and bmw's are heavy trains, though driving bmw's is always very pleasant experience. And Clio Sport is one of the best hatches on this planet. I had Dunlop Wintersport M3 3D and they're nothing worse than Michelins, very good snow tires. I don't know your prices, but Michelins are tyres with worst bang for the buck ratio here.

I see, here the Michelins are a little bit cheaper (about 10 Euros / each ) than e.g. Pirellis but have the same performance in many tests( ok not in the wet where mine really suck...) However I think they are perfectly build around for the renault . I had some other brands , was not bad , but didnt feel right somehow.
I havent seen any test yet where the Alpins didnt get the best result though?
I had a bet with a friend once, who will accelerate better on a very icy surface and when I was far away, he stil on the same place tyres spinning wild! ... LOL poor Golf (at about the same HP tuned)

 

[Type_R_]

Only reason I use clutch and driver view is because I want this game feel as real as possible to real life,isnt that the same reason we prefer pro physics?If that is too difficult to some one,no need to telling about faster gearing.That is how cars supposed to bee driven,yes Ferraris too,because you get better physics that way(not nescessary faster)
Lot of G25 owners on this forum,not so many clutch users,when watching starts at Suzuka 600 PAL(among faster guys).

When someone creates Club G25=private room,G wheel,RWD car,clutch,ABS off,driver view,Nordslieffe,we start to realise who can drive these cars like they suppose to.Then im happy.