Respect for those who can...

[Synwraith]

Hey all,

I've had GT5P (the sole reason for my PS3 purchase) for about 3 or 4 weeks now and feel I've gotten well up to speed, enough to make a fight of it when I do 600PP Suzuka, but the problem is I've gotten too used to the Impreza '05.

Naturally, when you get spanked by those legendary NSX and R8 users, you begin to think that the car must have something very major to do with it.

So having accrued a stack of credits from racing in PRO events, I bought an NSX '02, an R8, an EVO X/Tuned etc.

I have to say, my current abilities do not allow me to complete even one clean lap of Suzuka in an NSX, so I take my hat off to the usual suspects who are hitting 2:17s every lap. Are all of you guys (Timppaq, zabeu, Honeycar etc) all using a G25?

I also tried the Evo X/Tuned..my goodness what beautiful handling and braking, but no matter what I did with the settings, I was getting eaten alive on the straights. I don't know if you GTP guys remember a race today at Suzuka where I was in a silver Evo X/Tuned and lead the race right up until after spoon on the 1st lap then about 6 of you whizzed past lead by Timppaq on the back straight!!

So I went back to my Impreza 05 that I know so well and unless I meet the NSX crew, have a pretty good chance of being competitive.

To conclude (because this is getting so long), I have to give great respect to you guys that pedal those crazy back-happy cars and have learnt them so well as to be so mightily competitive, and then even more respect for getting in a completely new car and still going that fast.

I seem to be destined to be a WRX mainstay as I feel it might take forever to get up to speed in the other cars I mentioned above, which also means a 6:58 is the best I'll ever nail at Suz.

Well done guys, all the best
Synwraith

 

[angelx]

So you did not try the R8, you should definitely give it a go and focus on exit speed out of corners so that those faster cars cant catch you. As fo the WRX, i think it is a great car and you should be able to compete against anything with it. I am with you on the Tail happy RWD cars, i just cant control them on my sixaxis so they will be in the garage till i get a wheel.

 

[Masi_23]

Im a bit of a mainstay with the AWDs too. I mostly use the EvoIX/tuned, but i have no problem keeping up with the usual suspects (Audi R8, NSX like you mentioned) around the corners to say the least but i did win a couple of races just last night with the IX.

I suggest you invest on a G25 and it will dramatically slash seconds off your time.

 

[Earth]

Suzuka is all about car setup. The fastest drivers there have probably been tweaking their car and racing line for weeks. So I wouldn't sweat being a little bit slower then them if you haven't invested the enormous amount of time into it as they have

 

[Timppaq]

Thanks for the kind words.

Earth is 100% right, again. ...for me it took 50+ laps hotlapping to get it managable and 100+ laps behind the big guns (Truth, Zabeu, Honeycar, tameturtle) to even get the oppoturnity to try and get ahead, with perfect race I know it can be done now. I just wish I could do it more often..

And I'm not joking either, I swear I drove 15-20 races straight with Truth following him (of course I tried to overtake, lol), and that was just one day of learning... Thanks for the schooling, mate. ..and sorry, but I copied your setup, or as much that I was able to conclude. 👍

And as I've learned the car a bit by bit, I'm still tuning the car as my skill grows closer to the level of the car.

And I drive with the Mighty DFP, G25 is in the post... or somewhere.. I ordered it 2 weeks ago!!!!!!

I've had a few races with very fast R8's (MADFORCE, Racer_LP, Stotty, Jroen, Speedfreak, etc., and I say that its possible to follow them close enough from the spoon to overtake in the back straight, but get it 2% wrong and it's gonna be too late... 👍

 

[Wolf-M]

Hey all,

I've had GT5P (the sole reason for my PS3 purchase) for about 3 or 4 weeks now and feel I've gotten well up to speed, enough to make a fight of it when I do 600PP Suzuka, but the problem is I've gotten too used to the Impreza '05.

Naturally, when you get spanked by those legendary NSX and R8 users, you begin to think that the car must have something very major to do with it.

So having accrued a stack of credits from racing in PRO events, I bought an NSX '02, an R8, an EVO X/Tuned etc.

I have to say, my current abilities do not allow me to complete even one clean lap of Suzuka in an NSX, so I take my hat off to the usual suspects who are hitting 2:17s every lap. Are all of you guys (Timppaq, zabeu, Honeycar etc) all using a G25?

I also tried the Evo X/Tuned..my goodness what beautiful handling and braking, but no matter what I did with the settings, I was getting eaten alive on the straights. I don't know if you GTP guys remember a race today at Suzuka where I was in a silver Evo X/Tuned and lead the race right up until after spoon on the 1st lap then about 6 of you whizzed past lead by Timppaq on the back straight!!

So I went back to my Impreza 05 that I know so well and unless I meet the NSX crew, have a pretty good chance of being competitive.

To conclude (because this is getting so long), I have to give great respect to you guys that pedal those crazy back-happy cars and have learnt them so well as to be so mightily competitive, and then even more respect for getting in a completely new car and still going that fast.

I seem to be destined to be a WRX mainstay as I feel it might take forever to get up to speed in the other cars I mentioned above, which also means a 6:58 is the best I'll ever nail at Suz.

Well done guys, all the best
Synwraith

Very true! I love the Evo X so much because of it's superior cornering ability (which I can almost always outbrake my opponents) and the stability when accelerating/braking. Yet it's so slow on the straights that my friend has joked on this - any Subaru driver who could stay on the track and trail behind anything less than 5 seconds will eventually outpace the evos and win the race - which was so true. I've more than once lead almost three laps (with a greatest gap of 8 to 9 seconds) and lose everything back on the final straight in Fuji or the straight after the spoon in Suzuka.

Anyhow I still love my evo and will continue to use it - despite it being relatively uncompetitive.


And Maziar, what's your setup for your impreza? How fast can you go in Fuji/Suzuka?

 

[RedBaron]

Yes, another thread about fact the game is 5 times tougher than real life. Something is wrong with pro physics in GT5p.

 

[Jay]

Yes, another thread about fact the game is 5 times tougher than real life. Something is wrong with pro physics in GT5p.

Pushing cars on and past absolute limits is supposed to easy? Well past what you would mostly attempt in real life. Especially considering you can't get the same feedback as in real life.

Like anything it takes practice and training.

 

[Apollo87]

Yes, another thread about fact the game is 5 times tougher than real life. Something is wrong with pro physics in GT5p.

Wait, what?

 

[Mr P]

(Truth, Zabeu, Honeycar, tameturtle)

I was wondering if anyone knew this tameturtle (NL) guy? had nothing but crap from him intentionally slamming his brakes on in front of me on the straights last night at PP600 and then the damn cheek to leave the later races on the grid as if I was the problem ... I will make sure he has a taste of the same crap next time I'm on the track with him 👎

Sorry for offtopic! just that name was fresh in my mind

 

[zabeu]

Thanks a lot, but please stop calling (at least me) "legendary". I'm still alive here ... I'd also like to return the favour as best I can and express my respect for your very clean, courteous and fluid driving.

Until recently, I used to use an old GT Force. With the G25 now I'm not dramatically quicker (if any quicker at all) but it sure feels a lot better.

If I'm able to compete with the best today, it's not so much because of talent or aptitude. It's rather because after hundreds, even thousands of laps and races, all the time questioning every manoever, I have built up decent knowledge and feeling of car and track. Yet I'm still adjusting setup and driving, still shaving tenths off my lap times. It just never stops. I agree with Earth and Timppaq: conscious practice and continuous rethinking of your driving will always bring improvement.

Finally, I think the NSX is the one car that really shows you how important it is to be smooth. All other 600pp cars are far more forgiving, even to the point of being benign, but they don't tell you as drastically when you're doing things wrong. And that's what friends are for, right?

 

[Stotty]

Had many races with Tameturtle Monday night and found him to be a complete gent - both fast and clean.

 

[Mr P]

Had many races with Tameturtle Monday night and found him to be a complete gent - both fast and clean.

Good for you mate 👍 ... I however saw his other side

I hope someone has contact with him and finds his way here, maybe he can explain his actions?

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

I love my RWD, I don't like using AWD because it's too easy. If you're after a fast and super manageable RWD car, try my Opera 350Z in The Lion's Den.👍 The Tuned Clio is good also. Oh, and my NSX setup should make it easier and faster for you too.

 

[Timppaq]

I have to add that I fully agree with Zab here, and really Respect your driving with that Sub.. 👍 ..you get a lot respect from here, Synwraith.

 

[Mr P]

Apparently Tameturtle reads the threads at GTP and has messaged me minutes ago on the PSN with an explanation ... the vendetta is now lifted

Thanks for the explanation TT and no hard feelings mate
Ron.

 

[homeforsummer]

Yes, another thread about fact the game is 5 times tougher than real life. Something is wrong with pro physics in GT5p.

If you can't stand the heat...

 

[Jay]

Apparently Tameturtle reads the threads at GTP and has messaged me minutes ago on the PSN with an explanation ... the vendetta is now lifted

Thanks for the explanation TT and no hard feelings mate
Ron.

He should stop lurking and start posting, always nice to have more good drivers around 👍

 

[Timppaq]

6 guests here.. let me guess... 2 of their names starts with "t"... 👍

 

[angelx]

I love my RWD, I don't like using AWD because it's too easy. If you're after a fast and super manageable RWD car, try my Opera 350Z in The Lion's Den.👍 The Tuned Clio is good also. Oh, and my NSX setup should make it easier and faster for you too.

Well, I would say that driving an AWD vehicle is easier than a RWD but running under 2'16 is difficult in any car or under 2'17 consistently in a race for that matter.

 

[Synwraith]

So you did not try the R8, you should definitely give it a go and focus on exit speed out of corners so that those faster cars cant catch you. As fo the WRX, i think it is a great car and you should be able to compete against anything with it. I am with you on the Tail happy RWD cars, i just cant control them on my sixaxis so they will be in the garage till i get a wheel.

Hey AngelX,

I did give the R8 a few laps, I admit that I made the mistake of expecting an instant laptime improvement. I read somewhere that someone was using his favourite car and having a great time around Suzuka then jumped in an R8 and was immediately over 2 seconds a lap faster. I guess I had underestimated how much I had refined my style around Suzuka with the WRX that even if the R8 was noticeably faster, it would take me time to get to that speed again.

In the short time I was in it, I found the R8 to be fantastic for late-braking. One of my biggest issues around Suzuka at the moment is how soon I have to brake heading up to spoon in the WRX. Any lead I have built up through the esses, Degners and hairpin vanishes at Spoon 1. I tell you, it's frightening having 4 NSXs monstering you around Spoon in your mirrors!

I really should spend more time in the R8, but I guess I just love that WRX too much and from what the regulars here are saying, if I hit the Impreza's sweet spot setup, I could be even more competitive ina car I know really well.

When you say focus on exit speed, do you mean maybe sacrificing some entry speed, maybe coming in a little wider and straightening up quicker to get on the gas a little earlier?

Thanks to everybody for the kind words and valuable input, it's greatly appreciated.

All the best,
Synwraith

 

[Synwraith]

Im a bit of a mainstay with the AWDs too. I mostly use the EvoIX/tuned, but i have no problem keeping up with the usual suspects (Audi R8, NSX like you mentioned) around the corners to say the least but i did win a couple of races just last night with the IX.

I suggest you invest on a G25 and it will dramatically slash seconds off your time.

Do you really reckon I can slash 'seconds' off a 6:58 over 3 laps at Suzuka 600PP? OK the 6:58 was a one-time occurence in a race consisting of one other person, my usual times are 2:19 average. I feel like I'm kidding myself a little bit to think that a wheel will solve the mystery of the last few seconds/tenths

I've gotten so used to the PS controllers over the years, but it would be nice to be able to modulate braking input...

All the best,
Synwraith

 

[flubbachany]

AWDs are much easier. I used to drive a Tuned Evo X online because it was so stable and could shoot out of corners even with TCS off. However, FRs have a much better balance and are more versatile, and with the correct skills, hav the ability to be faster than AWDs.

 

[Beerz]

I've done a few races with him, never saw him do anything fishy or anything. Always good times with him too... when I can keep up, which is not often. 👍

 

[Synwraith]

Anyhow I still love my evo and will continue to use it - despite it being relatively uncompetitive.


And Maziar, what's your setup for your impreza? How fast can you go in Fuji/Suzuka?

At Suzuka, my best 3-lap 600PP time is 6:58 so far, with a best lap of 2:16, but that lap was undoubtedly a result of the catch-up feature of online races. I'm usually between 2:18 and 2:20.

I haven't actually tried Fuji in Pro physics mode much, but I do have the #1 times at Fuji GT and Fuji F time trials in the WRX '05 in standard mode. However in TT you get a stock set up so that isn't much use to you...

For the 600PP Suzuka WRX, I basically take absolutely all the weight off the car and I think my power is set to +71. Camber is 0.6/0.0 and ride height is -20/-10, BB 5/5. I haven't touched the ratios yet and I know more about molecular physics than I do about toe settings I also haven't messed with the dampers or springs yet. Too scared!

Also, my apologies to all members reading this thread if I am making too may separate posts, is it better for you guys if I just answer all the different posts in a single reply?

All the best,
Synwraith

 

[Timppaq]

If I may suggest, give yourself 50 laps to learn the basics of toe, camber etc... Drive the car stock, then adjust one value to max / min... feel the car for 3 laps... continue this with smaller steps... I'm sure you got the point ..you won't regret it. 👍

 

[angelx]

Maziar, as long as you dont have someone right behind you experiment with the wider lines, they should help your exit speed. But if someone is on your tail they might interpret this as a mistake and shoot the small opening and you are pretty much helpless and have to give the right of way.
Like most guys said, it comes with practice and repetition.

 

[Jay]

Also, my apologies to all members reading this thread if I am making too may separate posts, is it better for you guys if I just answer all the different posts in a single reply?

All the best,
Synwraith

Well it doesn't matter because you didn't double post

But yeah double posting is frowned upon (unless accidental), next to the quote button there is a little double speech bubble button/icon, you press that for every post you want to quote (a little green plus will appear) then the last quote you press the quote button and all the selected quotes will appear in the one reply window.(sorry of I didn't explain that clearly) Rather than needing to copy paste everything.

But if someone is on your tail they might interpret this as a mistake and shoot the small opening and you are pretty much helpless and have to give the right of way.
Like most guys said, it comes with practice and repetition.

Well yeah, thats when you should be protecting your line, sacrificing your preferred line if necessary. All within reason of course.

 

[RedBaron]

Pushing cars on and past absolute limits is supposed to easy? Well past what you would mostly attempt in real life. Especially considering you can't get the same feedback as in real life.

Like anything it takes practice and training.

Pushing cars near limit is still much easier than in GT. But the worst thing in Pro mode is that cars are too loose even when cruising. Sorry to say that, but it's really that bad. PD still isn't implementing tyre physics and they still supplementing it with that old and plain wrong N1-R3 choices and some stupid formula underneath them. And I'm saying that after owning many BMW's in RL, enjoying them on windy roads, also drifting occasionally, and after hundreds of hours spent in GT4 and Yellowbird/N2 tyres and being huge fan of simulation.

 

[Ardius]

Pushing cars near limit is still much easier than in GT. But the worst thing in Pro mode is that cars are too loose even when cruising. Sorry to say that, but it's really that bad. PD still isn't implementing tyre physics and they still supplementing it with that old and plain wrong N1-R3 choices and some stupid formula underneath them. And I'm saying that after owning many BMW's in RL, enjoying them on windy roads, also drifting occasionally, and after hundreds of hours spent in GT4 and Yellowbird/N2 tyres.

Wouldn't BMW's have the equivelant of S tyres though? The Yellowbird definitely would.