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Godzilla returns!!!!!!
It'd be nice to see a RWD gtr, as an option, maybe.
It'd be nice to see a RWD gtr, as an option, maybe.
Return of Nissan's Godzilla
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- JDA1982
Why, the ATESSA system Nissan uses sends the power to the rear all the time and the front only kicks in when it's needed, that's why GT-Rs handle so well and the next GT-R is meant to use a much more advanced sytem than the ATESSA one on the R34 GT-R. The only reason the silhouette R34 JGTC car's don't use the same system albeit set-up for racing use is because 4wd simply isn't allowed at all in Super GT.
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It's not a Skyline unofficially either, the Skyline and GT-R don't share a single component, they don't share the same interior or exterior or engine or transmission or tub or suspension etc, they're completely different cars. This GT-R is as much Skyline as a 97 Supra is a 97 Celica.
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No it's not, it's exactley the same as the Celica Supra situation, the Celica was originally the car, the Supra was a spec of it, the the Supra because a seperate car model range in it's opwn right. Here the Skyline was the car, the GT-R was a spec, now the GT-R has beome a sperate model in it's own right just like the Supra did. The GT-R doesn't share the body style, the drivetrain or the the chasis with the Skyline anymore, neither does the Supra with the Celica, but like the GT-R and Skyline, they used to be part of the same model range.
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Eh, what are you on about??? No there won't be another Skyline GT-R, like I keep saying, they arn't the same model range anymore, just like there was never another Celica Supra after Toyota seperated the Celica and Supra into two model ranges, same situation. Nissan are still making the Skyline and will be when the GT-R comes out they've already shown the next Skyline that will be onsale when the GT-R launches. They're just two different model ranges now, just like when Toyota built the Celica Supra then sepearted the two brands, It's the same.
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With what part? Toyota made the Celica then they make the Celica Supra a high performance Celica, then Toyota decides to split the Celica and Supra brands using the Supra brand for a high performance sportscar and the Celica for lesser performance cars. Nissan builds the Skyline, then they make the Skyline GT-R a high performance Skyline, then Nissan decides to split the Skyline and GT-R brands using the Supra brands for a high performance sportscar and the Skyline for lesser performance cars. What's different, both cases then go on to involve both brands being sold at the same time, but both brands being different model ranges. What part of that is different? Do you even know the story behind the Celica and the Supra brands? Do you even know Nissans plans for the Skyline brand and the GT-R brand? Just what point are you trying to argue?
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In what way is it different to the Celica Supra brands seperating besides the Skyline GT-R being better known than the Celica Supra? And no it's nothing like Audi's RS brands, Audi's RS brand is like BMWs M cars, the top performance spec for any chosen model, Nissans GT-R was exclusive to the Skyline, now it's got nothing to do with the Skyline. People who call it a Skyline, or an R35 are wrong, the R35 doesn't exist and never will, instead we got the Skyline G35 which didn't get a GT-R variation and never will and neither will the next Skyline since the two brands are no longer connected.
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...I thought the next-gen GTR used a modified version of the newly altered FM platform allready underneath the Skyline/G35, etc?
But, back on the topic at hand: The car is still going to refered to as a Skyline if Nissan likes it or not. Unfortunately, the names "Skyline" and "R-X" are interchangeable with so many people, it is still going to be called a Skyline. Sure, they may be seperate models, but thats just the way it is. I'm sure that I'm still going to refer to it as the Skyline GTR, but that is only because I'm so used to saying it.
But, back on the topic at hand: The car is still going to refered to as a Skyline if Nissan likes it or not. Unfortunately, the names "Skyline" and "R-X" are interchangeable with so many people, it is still going to be called a Skyline. Sure, they may be seperate models, but thats just the way it is. I'm sure that I'm still going to refer to it as the Skyline GTR, but that is only because I'm so used to saying it.
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Leonidaelet's see.. RS6 ,approximately slightly less than 2 tons with about 500ish bhp = wheelspin at takeoff before fronts would kick in, and you want it to be RWD most of the time? right..
The Skyline GTR's ATESSA ETS manages to transfer power quick enough before any substantial rear wheel spin happens, especially on V-spec models (that includes 500hp+ modified models). I imagine the next GTR will have a even more tweaked/revamped version of this or will they use E-4WD that was rumoured at one stage?
live4speed
You never know, the GTR name may return to the Skyline range some day.
YSSMAN
Yes, I hear that the altered platform is also being used for the V36 Skyline/G35.
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This certaintly sound like a good thread to post some of my confusion at school. People keep calling the GT-R "SKYLINE." When I tell them its NOT a SKYLINE, they think I am dumb...Then I would tell them the G35 is actually the Skyline and now they think I am even dumber...
How am I supposed to prove this? Or am I going to have to accept the name "Skyline" as a nickname for the GT-R?
Anyways, I am very interested in buying the GT-R, but not during the first year though. I rather have the problems it may have to be ironed out before I get one.
To be honest, I actually like the high price tag it is going to have. It will be the price tag where only hardworking people can get and used or modify it the correct way. Unlike others...ARG!
How am I supposed to prove this? Or am I going to have to accept the name "Skyline" as a nickname for the GT-R?
Anyways, I am very interested in buying the GT-R, but not during the first year though. I rather have the problems it may have to be ironed out before I get one.
To be honest, I actually like the high price tag it is going to have. It will be the price tag where only hardworking people can get and used or modify it the correct way. Unlike others...ARG!
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I had to prove to kids I knew that the G35 was a Skyline by loging onto Nissan of Japan's website at school and showing them the pictures that it worked out that way. Only then did they belive me...
About the price: I look at it this way, those damn kids who think some stupid import GTR is going to rule the streets won't be able to buy one, thats for sure. And if they are so dead-set on getting one, all I have to mention is the Z06, and it should shut them up. Hell, why not a God-damn TVR Segaris?
About the price: I look at it this way, those damn kids who think some stupid import GTR is going to rule the streets won't be able to buy one, thats for sure. And if they are so dead-set on getting one, all I have to mention is the Z06, and it should shut them up. Hell, why not a God-damn TVR Segaris?
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Now those are some two good quality POST! 👍 👍
You know what else I am afraid about this car? This car may have a slumpy sales that Nissan may never bring it to the USA ever again. When I think about it, US is like the Corvette's home court advantage to people who can actually afford a 60K plus sport car. The Corvette's name is huge here and I can't really see how the new GT-R can really strike it down so easily.
I am not bashing on the car, but its like this concerned feeling I am getting whenever I think about the car. I plan on getting one by doing what I do best and it never failed:
Getting them As! 👍
It would be sad to have it come out and then be announced that it would never come back again due to low sales. Sure there is a lot of fans for it, but I don't think the majority of the fans can't even afford it.
You know what else I am afraid about this car? This car may have a slumpy sales that Nissan may never bring it to the USA ever again. When I think about it, US is like the Corvette's home court advantage to people who can actually afford a 60K plus sport car. The Corvette's name is huge here and I can't really see how the new GT-R can really strike it down so easily.
I am not bashing on the car, but its like this concerned feeling I am getting whenever I think about the car. I plan on getting one by doing what I do best and it never failed:
Getting them As! 👍
It would be sad to have it come out and then be announced that it would never come back again due to low sales. Sure there is a lot of fans for it, but I don't think the majority of the fans can't even afford it.
Walks like a Duck, Quacks like a Duck...
Etc, yeah, *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* know what I mean, It isn't a Skyline, but where the Celica turned into FWD crap, and the Supra continued it's RWD spirit, this is the same as the prior AWD Skylines, with a V engine instead of a straight-6.
Etc, yeah, *nudge, nudge, wink, wink* know what I mean, It isn't a Skyline, but where the Celica turned into FWD crap, and the Supra continued it's RWD spirit, this is the same as the prior AWD Skylines, with a V engine instead of a straight-6.
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RS' started only as A4 based hopped up models. Now they have a whole range of RS's.
I understand wjhat you eman but comeon the GT-R is a 35 replacement but just a little more extreme. The G35 just didnt look the R35 GTR part to make it a GTR.
Anyway this car will be competing with the new upcoming M3, Audi R8 and obviously the porsche. The "its not a R34 replacement" and M3 engineers are both setting the 997 as the benchmark to beat and the R8 will be a faster gallardo. Got some nice cheapish cars comign our way. Lets hope the "its not a Skyline" has a nice interior though.
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The GT-R isn't a R35 replacement because there is no R35 and never will be we got the G35 instead. The designations R30, R31, R32, R33 and R34's all meant something as does G35 as did the C110 generation and designations before, after the R34 the Skyline went to the G35, that's in place of the R35, the look of the car isn't the reason it got no GT-R variant either, it was never intended to have one becuase at that stage Nissan had already planned to keep the Skyline brnad for sporty/mid exec coupe's and use the GT-R for a full blown supercar (it's no coincidence that this has been done as soon as the gentlemans agreement in Japan started coming to an end). The Skyline range was much broader than the GT-R, the majority of Skyline models sold overall wern't GT-R's. The GT-R designation was simply for the top spec variations, now the GT-R designation is no longer being used as a designation and it's a sperate model. Like I said, the GT-R is not a replacemnt for the Skyline, tyhe Skyline is still being made, it's continuing to be made and will not have a GT-R variation. The GT-R does not share the Skyline's parts or looks or name, it's a different car. Like I said last night it's exactley the same as Toyota splitting the Celica and Supra brands. Calling the new GT-R a Skyline is like calling a Supra a Celica there's no two way's about it. Sure people will still call it a Skyline, like I said many posts ago that they would, but they will be wrong to. People calling it a Skyline because they arn't as aware about the brands splitting is one thing, people that are aware of it that still call it a Skyline is another matter, you're willingly being wrong. As for people calling it a Skyline out of habit, that's another thing.
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Don't worry about it, as I doubt many are even going to come here to begin with. Production numbers for the GTR will probably be small, figure about what AMG does on average for Mercedes-Benz. I would say less than 2000 will come to North America per year, as most of the cars will probably be sent to Europe and Australia, that is of course if they arent allready sold in Japan.
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Sales with, overall GT-R sales might seem like they haven't been low but GT-Rs have been being made since the late 60s, but for any one generation of models the GT-R sales figures are a very small part of the overall sales figures for that model lineups total sales. I would say possibly even less than 2000 ayear heading to the state, officially at least. We only got 50 GT-Rs a year officially brought to the UK, they all sold, but thats all we got.
