RMK V2 Control Box & Derek Speare's GT1-FVS Comparison

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Enhancing The Cockpit Experience!


Their has been a range of options available for sometime in adding, control boxes to replace the keyboard, speedometer, tachometer, shift indicators, gear indicators etc. Recently I noticed more and more people are building or buying additional cockpit items to enhance their racing experience on PC's.

The increase of apps for mobile/portable devices that allow game data to be displayed and offer many features also seems to be increasing giving the modern sim fan some options and possibly hard choices.

I had a dilemma myself coming back to PC gaming from a long absence.
Would I prefer a real tachometer and physical button box or a digital display via a tablet or additional touch-screen monitor?

Perhaps my situation is relevant to some others too. On one hand I like my gadgets but on the other I like the racey look a proper box and tach would offer to the appearance of a cockpit. Also the feel and physical connection these offer over a virtual screen option. In the end I decided to buy into both as I think each may have their own benefits and perhaps depending on my mood I could choose one or the other.

Two products I am going to compare today though are physical control boxes.
One is from the well renowned "Derek Speare's" range of products, the "GT1-FVS". The other is a new model by a very talented member of GT Planet from Poland. The "RMK Control Box" in black called the "V2".
Of course the great thing with these boxes is that they are plug n play. Simply connect the USB cable and within each game keymap the button to the required feature you want, it's that simple. The benefit for these is to simplify your controls, not just for easier usage but without having to fumble around a keyboard with keys close together. Of course it helps enhance the simulation aspect while making your cockpit look rather cool.


Lets have a look first to compare these two great products...
(Click on images for link to larger sizes)
















 
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Remigiusz Sosnowski Control Box RMK V2 Black

External
Slimline metal construction body, finished to a high standard.
Curved edges with no sharp corners and immaculate styling.
This really sets a high standard for a control box.





















Internal
Not much to see, tidy wiring with cable ties and Leobodnar mini PCB.
















Socket Cap Screws
Only 4 simple (alan head) screws to remove.










Hard Mount
Another great feature with this product is the ability to mount it directly to a fixed surface.






USB
Metal case is neatly cut to the correct size and shape.

 
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Derek Speare's GT1-FVS

External
Eye catching design, well laid out and simple to use.
One cool feature is how the engine start button illuminates.

Unlike the RMK metal case this uses a ready-available plastic box.
Helps reduce the costs but has disadvantages that will be discussed later.




















Internal
Like the RMK not much inside really.
The large start button is the reason why this particular model needs to have a deep box/case.











Screws
Opening the case is simple, remove the six screws.





USB Connection
One nit picking thing I found with this model I got was the hole for the USB looked a little amateur in finish with just a gap left.








Size Example
X360 controller for size impression.





 
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Conclusion & Final Comments April 29th

So after spending additional time giving both these products equal testing and questioning some friends on their initial impressions now I am ready to give my comments.

Both these models use quality switches/buttons and components. Of course these are sourced from manufacturers that specialise in their manufacturing so the functionality and usage of them are to a high standard.


Buttons
My own personal preference is for the larger rounded buttons, I’m not as found of the smaller ones used on the GT1-FVS while they work fine I just prefer a larger contact area and the feedback the larger buttons give is more satisfying.


The usage of coloured buttons can of course be handy for easy detection for the desired function particularly if you game in a darkened room. Yet some people may like the appearance more of just the black finish that Derek also offers on his models. A nice option might I add across his range. Remi’s model do use this same button (in black) and the response/feel is identical.


Switches
With Remis V2 model the switches are one direction only. They have a spring back function making a quality click when used. The user can decide to have the orientation either way. So you can have it that the switches are at the bottom requiring a “push” action or the switches at the top requiring a “pull” operation.



On Derek’s GT1-FVS model the switches are 2way offering both “push” and “pull” functionality giving of course the ability to map 2 functions to each switch. I found that it was better to map these to functions you would not need to use so often or do not need repeated usage. They suit more of an on/off function and button presses are much quicker and easier to do than using a switch repeatedly.



Rotary Switches
While the GT1-FVS model does not have any rotary functions Derek Speare’s does have models with rotary functionality. I did find that the rotary switches were superb particularly for adjusting views within pCARS. If there is a function you would need a wide range of button presses then this is an excellent usage for rotary switch. With a quick dial you can generate multiple presses rather than having to hit a button repeatedly. These also do not have a lock-lock like say a volume knob but rotate continually. One friend did comment however he felt the stems looked rather bare as if they were missing a knob or cover. Personally I quite liked their minimalist appearance.


Rotary Usage Example:
Project Cars allows for the following options in altering your view. Now just by chance we have 3x rotary switches on Remi’s design so guess what I did? Okay you guessed it, I set each of the rotary switches to alter the below.

• Seat Position Up / Down
• Seat Position Forward/Back
• Field Of View Increase/Decrease

Additionally each rotary switch has a push button feature as well. I just added the following:

• Look Left
• Look Back
• Look Right

In general I really liked the ability to use these rotary switches and having 3 was perfect for pCars and setting up the viewpoints needed over my triple monitors was now so simple.


Switch Options
Doing some research I came across a multitude of options available to customise a control box such as these. If some people like the idea of the colour coding then it is possibly a good idea to check out some caps/covers available on some internet stores and ebay.





Construction
Derek uses ABS plastic boxes on most of his current range. These are a tough plastic very lightweight and of course ideal to work with. This particular GT1-FVS model is a much deeper unit than some of his other designs and as I highlighted this is because of the rather long “Start” button.

Now I did notice some minor dipping of the plastic if you push rather hard on the buttons and because these boxes are rather empty inside with the depth of this model it does have a slight tendency to sound a bit hollow. This is nit picking but I wanted to bring it to people’s attention even if it is not likely to be such an issue or apparent on other models in his range that have a thinner casing.

The metal construction of the Remi’s V2 product is rather superb. It has to be said that the quality is excellent, very heavy too and it feels solid with a nice painted finish. I have to admit that pressing the buttons hard has no issues of the case dipping. Button presses feel more solid because of the metal case and of course there is no evidence of a hollow sound. I do personally prefer the tactility of a metal construction in an age of “plastic everything” but it adds a kind of “back in the ole days” retro and satisfying feel.

One concern however is that the beautiful finish will be prone to scratches coming under attack of constant or long-term usage. The ABS plastic would not show the same degree of wear/tear in its finish and be much more resistant to scratches.


Appearance
Personally I love the look of both of these, the classy and elegance of the V2 but also the racer look of the GTF1. If anything the majority of people I asked liked the appearance of the GT1-FVS, perhaps it was that start button or the colours (well that swung it for my daughter, lol) but I guess looks are always a more personal thing.


Recommendations
I do think it would be a great idea for anyone manufacturing “Control Boxes” such as these to design and offer printable templates. What about the idea of an overlay that can easily be removed. You print out your template with the functions for the buttons which would be a good idea particularly if you do not like or want the bother of doing self labels. Also what happens when labelling if you want different functions in different games, well come guys this should be something to consider offering?

I would also suggest that instead of having such boxes with a USB cable hanging out the side to consider a design that has a bay on the underside which allows the USB to connect and not be protruding out. Again just an observation which may be nit picking again but I believe some would welcome such.


Future
Perhaps in the future we may see a model that includes illuminated buttons or switches, although it may be best to enable these to be turned on/off. I know some other manufacturers offer models with illuminated buttons and with kits becoming available and I think we may see more people crop up offering similar products due the minimal manufacturing these require to make.



Final Verdict
So which of these products do I prefer eh?
Well it isn't a clear cut decision as really I feel my own personal ideal "Control Box" would have features of each and I still like the idea of illuminated switches, even buttons.

I am more impressed with the feel of the metal construction, it offers a more substantial tactility and it also includes its own mounting holes. Many of Derek's models I believe need a "Ram Mount" fixing. While instructions were included my own purchase certainly didn't include any fixings. The round hole for the USB connection does not seem to be on other models of Derek's range so I do not know for sure or if it is related to just the GT1-FVS but that is something he could easily rectify as it does look a bit tacky on the unit I got.

While it is not a big factor on the units I got and as can be seen above Remi's internal wiring seemed neater finished with cable ties while on the GT1-FVS it wasn't so tidy inside. Ahh not seen you say and yes your right but it shows the workmanship or care and attention to detail taken.

It would be nice to see the V2 with 2-way switches perhaps to increase it's functionality even further. The design and layout is great but I still have concerns over scratches. The model I received didn't have all the nuts aligned straight while credit to Mr Speares on his GT1-FVS they were.

I would say that both are indeed great little boxes, using them is certainly much better, easier than a keyboard and indeed they look good too. Value for money has to go to Derek with the GT1-FVS and well I'm a sucker for red lights so that "Start" button and safety/missile toggle switch just look superb.

Credit is indeed due to Remi for creating a simplistic, functional and very stylish model which of course has to be more expensive due to it's construction and rotary components. Lets not forget this is the first model he has made and I look forward to him doing future models and getting a proper website and means to purchase these.

If I had to say goodbye to one however I do think in this case it would be the GT1-FVS because I think those rotary switches are fantastic and well the metal finish suits my preference more. Perhaps Derek will take onboard a similar configuration using triple rotary switches but also a unit with the start button, illuminated switches and a metal construction like his upcoming "Trackboss Champion". Now that may be worth looking at in the future, mmmm.

I hope this (now pretty much completed) comparison is useful to some of you and encourages anyone interested to purchase one in the future.

Mr Latte


(prices and specs to be added)
(links to be added, awaiting website for RMK)
 
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Nice comparison Mr.L 👍

Plenty of photos (perhaps too many? Some aren't showing up either) which is always good. Don't like that round hole for the square socket on the DSD box though. Yuck. :crazy:
 
First of all, too many and too big pictures. My work pc can't handle it! I'd use flickr for example and use the 600x size (for example) and if you want, link the bigger ones to the pictures.

The thread is useless for me now, and I'm sure I'd enjoy reading & looking all the pictures that you've clearly put effort in to take.
 
Bit busy today but will look at resizing.
Deleted some similar images too but the thread will be tweaked on the next update.

I usually have "imgur" set to resize but for some reason it hasn't, it can be a bit flakey.
Takes a little while but works fine on my iphone no problems with the larger images.
 
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First of all, too many and too big pictures. My work pc can't handle it! I'd use flickr for example and use the 600x size (for example) and if you want, link the bigger ones to the pictures.

The thread is useless for me now, and I'm sure I'd enjoy reading & looking all the pictures that you've clearly put effort in to take.

Indeed impossible to read, the whole thread keeps jumping up and down.

Not all pictures are loading.

For the best read MrLatte, try to resize them.

For the enthousiast who appriciate the large number and high quality pics, just add a zip file were we can download them.:)

Still not convinced i need a button box, looking forward to your review to persuade me
 
There never can be enough pictures...

Thanks for the comparison. Interesting to see how RMK uses a Leo Bodnar's controller and than Derek Speare's box doesn't use one of his own PCBs!
 
Those are rotary encoders. Infinite LEFT and RIGHT rotation -repeating same command LLLLL or RRRRR (with clicking/pulsing feel) and PUSH action too. So kind of 3 in 1 imput.
 
Not bad of a comparison mr latte, too many images posted however. Just so the members know this is not an apples to apples comparison. You have a top of the line box from Remigiusz Sosnowski's who is a member here at GTPlanet and you are comparing it to a mid range button box from Derek Speare who is also a member at GTPlanet in fact longer then Remigiusz Sosnowski, whom as you mentioned is very talented builder and his boxes are beautiful.

Derek Speare also a very talented Sim racer manufacturer and Sim racer, he offers a vast amount of peripherals aimed at the serious PC racer and for the console racer as well. His site is Here

mr latte one thing you failed to mention and I suppose it is because of your lack of experience is the use of these fine button boxes, To be fair you did mention you will report on them once you have used them.

I think each may have their own benefits and perhaps depending on my mood I could choose one or the other.

One thing I do with my "Track Boss" button box from Derek Speare is label each switch and button. I race the best Sim racer available and that is iRacing and it is used by a great many GTPlanet members. Derek does offer free of charge labels that are downloadable from his website.

If you have a photographic memory perhaps you don't need to label the buttons but for me I need to label them and I made my own in Photoshop. In a race you need to react in a split second, so if you are not sure which button to push you could lose a position rather quickly. Also depending on what type of racing you do, Road or Oval you can set up your box for each type. Also Xpadder can be used for macro's to set up a situation for say 2 tires and a set amount of fuel etc..

Below is my "Track Boss" from Derek Speare which I have labeled and continue to change around. I set it for both Road and Oval although at this point I am a Road racer only. Also mr latte never mentioned mounting options which is very important. I use Ram mounts which Derek Speare recommended on his site, model number included. It should be mentioned Derek offers service which is unrivaled in the Sim racing world.

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Nice box left... Out of all his boxes, the GT1-FVS is the only one I've considered. Not that the Track Boss isn't kickass, but in my opinion the FVS is the most balanced out there: Not too big, right amount of buttons, a nice covered toggle switch and the awesome looking illuminated arcade button. I want one of those... He gave one away on St. Patrick's. Needless to say I didn't win it.
 
Thank you for your comparison, Mr Latte. I'm not sure whom from my several thousand customers I should thank for the review, but if you send me a PM with your email and details I will send you my thanks personally.

Fortunately, I have a worldwide following and armies of loyal customers like "left888", as well as other members of the GT Planet community. I work vigialantly from my American based shop and design studio to earn a reputation across just about every sim racing fan base for top service, great products and economy with function.

Every sim racer knows their own needs the best. Whether they're interested in my several lines of button boxes to my Pro Sequential Shifter or to my 12bit circuits, wheel adapters and other components, I'm happy to put out the best I can. If they feel something else is in order, great!

Lastly, I'm very happy to serve the racing sim community and give away my button boxes with contests I hold every month.

Kind regards,

Derek Speare
 
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Great comparison, the number of images and their quality is impressive.

Thanks, though I'm no photographer or have much clue when it comes to cameras.

There never can be enough pictures...
Thanks for the comparison. Interesting to see how RMK uses a Leo Bodnar's controller and than Derek Speare's box doesn't use one of his own PCBs!
Well after resizing and removing some images things are now better as indeed their were too many. I see many product threads with only a few pictures, that's not how I like to do things. Clearly I've left a post and have NOT finished as I want to give my feedback and hadn't added all the details I want to include yet some are treating this "comparison" as already completed.
Those are rotary encoders. Infinite LEFT and RIGHT rotation -repeating same command LLLLL or RRRRR (with clicking/pulsing feel) and PUSH action too. So kind of 3 in 1 imput.

These rotary encoders are brilliant. I found them perfect for altering FOV, seat up/down and seat back/forward. Rather than tapping a key many times just rotate for really fast and easy adjustments, great too when changing views or cars.

Just to point out to people this is a comparison, hence lots of photos not a review as the title states and if some people would please read post #4 their will be updates..
 
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Nice comparison Mr.L 👍

Plenty of photos (perhaps too many? Some aren't showing up either) which is always good. Don't like that round hole for the square socket on the DSD box though. Yuck. :crazy:

To be honest that's the first time I've seen that, on my Black Max there's absolutely no gap in that spot, the USB connection sits perfectly flush against the box itself just like you'd expect. Now when it comes time to talk about the box and its functionallity all I can say is that I absolutely love this thing! The practicallity and advantage of having all those controls in one easy to reach spot is incredible! I couldn't imagine going back to not using my button box, it just makes the experience so much more enjoiable!
Pair that with Derek's awesome service and support and you have a winner every single time!

I'd love to see a review of DSD's metal box against the V1, wich in reality would be a more fair comparison.
 
Fair comparison?

That's the thing I've not been given the chance to say much, I'm showing two products I bought and had planned talking about those. I'm fully aware of alternatives as listed as something I plan to cover. Yet it seems some have jumped the gun, sorry guys I work long hours and just had not the time today, err or since 2am yesterday when photos were uploaded.

Let me finish what I started Mr Speares, I'm sure I will buy more of your products and for the record yes the service from both was fast and excellent.
 
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I have no issue with comparing any of my devices against competing products. When it comes to button boxes, there were no readily available button boxes from a commercial source before I began offering mine. I ship hundreds a month, everyone on time, every time. My other components are no exceptions.

Mr Latte seemingly has done a number of reviews here. Quite possibly I should have my Pro Sequential shifter sent to him to compare it against the others. Sounds like a potentially good idea.

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I'd like to expand this thread Derek tbh but compare button boxes, taking into account their prices/features. I have plans to buy another and yes we can talk over PM perhaps. One here is indeed more expensive but that will be covered and fully taken into account.

Your shifter is something I mentioned a while back in my (sig thread) as a possible purchase, hee hee.

The plan here was to give members feedback on different boxes and compare also to virtual options/touch screens too.

For me I detest tacky, crooked button labels. Obvious some arn't that fussy but think it can spoil the beautiful look of some boxes. I'd love to see a model with illuminated buttons but with professionally printed symbols on them, like your "Start Button".
 
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Nice box left... Out of all his boxes, the GT1-FVS is the only one I've considered. Not that the Track Boss isn't kickass, but in my opinion the FVS is the most balanced out there: Not too big, right amount of buttons, a nice covered toggle switch and the awesome looking illuminated arcade button. I want one of those... He gave one away on St. Patrick's. Needless to say I didn't win it.

There are too many black boxes and other options in iRacing I had to use Xpadder for the "Track Boss" In my opinion the "Track Boss" and the "GT1-FVS" is needed in iRacing, there are that many options.

I think Remigiusz Sosnowski boxes are very nice but I have purchased several items from Derek Speare and as I mentioned his service is second to none. When ever I had a question he answers promptly. He has earned loyalty from his customers.

For me I detest tacky, crooked button labels. Obvious some arn't that fussy but think it can spoil the beautiful look of some boxes.
I agree, I am still looking for a better solution. I probably will look online for something that works better then what I have done on my label job I presented.

For me mr latte trying to align the labels with one hand and left at that was rather difficult. Besides I spend most of my time actually racing. :)
 
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There are too many black boxes and other options in iRacing I had to use Xpadder for the "Track Boss" In my opinion the "Track Boss" and the "GT1-FVS" is needed in iRacing, there are that many options.

I think Remigiusz Sosnowski boxes are very nice but I have purchased several items from Derek Speare and as I mentioned his service is second to none. When ever I had a question he answers promptly. He has earned loyalty from his customers.


I agree, I am still looking for a better solution. I probably will look online for something that works better then what I have done on my label job I presented.

For me mr latte trying to align the labels with one hand and left at that was rather difficult. Besides I spend most of my time actually racing. :)

I'd like to build on left888's comment about labels. In my opinion, each sim racer takes time and effort coupled with focused thought to determine solutions which best suit his or her own sim racing environment. It's not at all possible to say that one man's solution is without benefit to the man whom it serves.

I like a pragmatic outlook, and if a simple label works, then it's good. :)

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I'd like to build on left888's comment about labels. In my opinion, each sim racer takes time and effort coupled with focused thought to determine solutions which best suit his or her own sim racing environment. It's not at all possible to say that one man's solution is without benefit to the man whom it serves.

I like a pragmatic outlook, and if a simple label works, then it's good. :)

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Sorry, due to continued arguments I won't be responding to left888 and for the sanity of others will ignore his posts, he knows this, the reasons why and should respect that not follow after my posts or indeed threads.

I was actually thinking of and making reference to the SRT video as Darin called his "cheesy" labels. Gees for a review that was a crime if not embarrassing.

Don't get me wrong, each to their own but I like a classy or at least would opt to find a good looking solution. Have you ever considered UV type paints or some form of stamped label only viewable with a UV light?
 
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Wow! I didn't expect Derek Speare's-all-product-and-service-showcase here... I have some other items (and box versions) too, but I post them in my own separate threads rather than someone else's going completely off topic.
Congratulations to an idea of shipping your shifter for review to MrLatte. I wish he really got one! But I see no reason why you mention it here while your other product is being reviewed by him. The reason seems quite obvious though.
Anyway, I take it as a complement if someone pulls the trigger with all his products range (with all kinds of button boxes, boards, shifters, pedals, service and stories of army of customers...) against my single work. It doesn't change a lot - just a matter of taste.
 
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