RMK V2 Control Box & Derek Speare's GT1-FVS Comparison

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Derek, I must apologize to you for the immature behavior of some of these GTPlanet folks. You will find that These guys at GTPlanet are a little more mature.
 
Mayaman
Europe vs. America....


READY.....FIGHT!
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That's what I was thinking too, Mayaman.
It's always been like that though. The way of thinking just differs too much in general. Sometimes I wonder if that's why the European folk that moved to America did that because of this difference in thinking.
Seriously I reckon that it will soon come to a World War 3 because of this difference even, although then it's not button boxes of course but money and gold we're talking about. Besides every time we had an economic collapse in our history we would just wage wars again as an economic boost (more jobs via weapons production, more money to the worker. The more they buy again... etc).


Anyway, can we all just get back on topic again? If mister Speare wants to advertise his products he can, but I will have to warn him about the rules this site has in such cases. Also I want to direct him to the site administration so he can get his own sticky topic in which he can advertise and help his customers on GTP, just like rSeat has done.
Also to those who constantly quarrel among each other. Quite being like an old married couple or sometimes a child and just act normal. You are embarrassing the site, yourself and your fellow community members with this behavior.


Now about the review Latte, and also to others who are going to write a review. It's nice that you guys want to do a review, but finish it before posting it. It looks more professional and then you can get more proper discussion in as well. Besides, if a person has seen a topic once he is not likely to return unless the topic is of interest. When a more proper review is done and thus (a) more proper discussion(s) can be made then also will people more likely to return to your topic.

Anyway... just my two cents. Sorry for the rant.
 
First time since Im in this forums that Im in Mr Latte corner...
Can you please stop your unecessary defensive posting and let him at least finish his reviews before continuing trolling his thread?
I would really like to read what he has to say about both products without having to go through pages of offtopic defensive marketing strategy... or whatever it is supose to be.

You are lucky he is not me... I would have changed the title removed Derek Speare's GT1-FVS from the thread and review the other box (if I did have anything nice to say about the GT1-FVS because if I didnt that would be another story)
 
derekspeare
One of those rules is one cannot sit behind a pen name when you are comparing commercial products. If they do, be well prepared to be taken to task on it, and not by the makers, but by the readers...why? For the simple reason that they don't want to read shill reviews and will call them that when they see it.
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The only rules that are important on GT Planet are the ones contained within the AUP, and as such no issue exists here with regard to members having to publicly identify themselves when reviewing products.

I would also point out that your repeated comments asking for a public identity gets far to close to this part of the AUP for the staff's comfort.

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You will not post any person’s private information within the forum but your own.
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As such your are requested to stop asking for this information or implying that it is required to review products.


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Personally I think Derek Speare is being completely unprofessional. Mr Latte is doing a comparison, and that is his right to do as someone who purchased both products. He doesn't have to give you any name. Mr Latte does very good reviews, and I trust that he is non-biased more than someone who builds the product.

I believe Mr Latte was chosen for the community test for the CSR elite wheel through this forum, so obviously I'm not the only one who feels that way.

I mean the way Derek is making it sound with this whole "name issue" is that Mr Latte is some ultra-hidden new forum member who is posting biased reviews for RMK.

Anyone who actually reads this forum knows how ridiculious that is. I was planning on order 2 things off the DSD website today the tilton pedal pads, and the TH8RS gated shifter, however after seeing this thread I'm going to see if he can handle himself like an adult running a business before making ANY purchases.
 
Coxis
Latte, could you please take a picture of Derek's box with the button lit up?
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I sure will do that for you...


Niexist
Personally I think Derek Speare is being completely unprofessional. Mr Latte is doing a comparison, and that is his right to do as someone who purchased both products. He doesn't have to give you any name. Mr Latte does very good reviews, and I trust that he is non-biased more than someone who builds the product.
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Appreciate the comments, I'm just fed up with the arguing, even some I refuse to get involved further with and upon asking them to respect my wishes want to keep getting in the odd dig or try for further response only to argue more, no thanks.

Time to move forward...
 
Grown up men behaving like kids, funny in a way but nothing to do with current thread.

Most of people here invest a lot of time and money in their sim racing toys and we should all start appreciating it.

I would also not recommend anyone posting their names around without any special need for that.

I would love more pictures of those boxes and will definitely join Coxis in his request of that button lit up.
 
HouseChampion
How much does each cost?
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Congratulations on asking a good question on each product. This will be covered in the update. It is not a considerable difference to be fair taking into account the materials used in each.

I'm curious as to how/why Derek's upcoming "Trackboss Champion" which looks fantastic also in a metal construction is being quoted at $200 more over the standard plastic box version which does seem a lot but need further investigation to determine it's value.

So I am puzzled at his previous posts making the RMK V2 out to be more expensive over his compared product here. You can't on one hand criticse a competitor for charging more for more expensive raw materials particularly when you yourself are for doing the same with an upcoming product.
 
Mr Latte
Thanks Steve I'm at work so hadn't much time now.
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The more I look..the more I want a button box :crazy:

I've been looking at iPad options, things like Key Display Plus etc where you emulate the PC keyboard over a network..but there's something about hard buttons 👍
 
I agree the feel and look of a proper box is more appealing that's why for me build, layout, style are factors too.

Later on I hope to continue the idea of the first pic in this thread and look at touchscreen alternatives. They do have some of their own advantages in being able to rearrange and of course change layouts/functions depending on the software used.

Great that your looking into both too and maybe get a chat sometime...
Hoping you can try out "Sim Commander 3" too and Greeze is likely to update us with his findings/opinions on it soon.
 
Have to apologise as spent most of today watching the F1 and visiting family.
So will get the update done as soon as I can, sorry guys.

Here is 2 pics of the button illuminated.
My old camera isn't great with reds but hope these give you an idea.



 
Great review Mr Latte.
I'm not a PC racer and I only play GT5 but if I ever went on iRacing/LFS/rFactor I'd deffo consider a button box.
Now, judging from plenty of images (👍 Mr Latte) I find RMK V2 better made, just my opinion and it's an objective one.

Now, both boxes are doing what they should and that's not the point but an issue here is following - a manufacturer must never comment on his own products in subjective manner, which I see Mr Speare is doing. I'm just voicing my opinion and I don't want to get involved in anything.
 
I'm not sure I agree it's a great review yet cos Mr Latte hasn't presented his actual review, we have only seen the precursor to the real thing.

Anyway, it's good we have choices. In my case, I've decided from this thread and a couple of others in the iRacing forum, that I will keep my setups DSD free. I've removed all DSD components and have sold my Track Boss. Looking forward to maybe an RMK box ;)
 
Personally I found the RMK's maker comments on here more defensive than the DSD maker's comments. But to each his own. It's easy to misunderstand and misinterpret forum comments especially given the diversity in native languages here.

I understand Derek's point though even if it doesn't necessarily apply to Mr Latte since I don't think he is a shill for either company. However, I think any professional reviewer who is doing it for a living or receiving free products from manufacturers for review should reveal who they are and be transparent about his/her relationship with manufacturers they review products from. Even if you are just a forum/community reviewer, I think transparency in how you obtained products you are reviewing is a must.

I'll leave it to others who know MrLatte as a member here and his role in reviewing gear to make any judgement on that. I'm not saying he's trying to fill any role I described above but explain how I feel as a consumer when I look toward reviews.

I will also say that it is completely childish for people to sell their DSD gear because of comments made in a freak forum thread. That is pretty low class to me especially considering Derek was the only one here to apologize for his part in things getting out of hand. And it is equally low class to start any USA vs Europe childishness in all this also.

All that being said, I look forward to MrLatte's continued overview and his personal opinions on both boxes with more pictures and videos. Regardless of any feelings hurt in here, I think it does the makers of both good to have their wears "advertised" in this way.
 
bobbyknc
Personally I found the RMK's maker comments on here more defensive than the DSD maker's comments. But to each his own. It's easy to misunderstand and misinterpret forum comments especially given the diversity in native languages here.
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I think it was more in the aggression of how it was done at the time.
We know Americans show their pride and can be more forward in their presentation, this is not a complaint however.

Derek has great faith in his own products and service but sometimes it's best to let the "actual products" do the talking. Not everyone takes "self appraisal" the same way which was obvious seeing some comments. I ordered his GT sequential and paid the normal price before anyone thinks "Latte" has been swayed with a freebie or anything like that. So it shows no bad feelings on my part whatsoever.

I respect each of these guys and their are more purchase options too that seem to offer quality "control boxes" as well. Indeed just look as some great d.i.y builders are appearing, "greeze" done a fine job with his and I believe we will see more competition from talented people perhaps offering "personal design" builds for individual customers.

Regards the comments I want to play around a bit more before summarising but been held up with another eventful week in my business. Really though these are button boxes with similar features and their is really only so much that can be said about them in a comparison/review perspective and then take into account their respective prices to comment on performance or value for money.
 
Okay so I updated the first page and have now concluded my thoughts on this comparison.
Thanks to those that took an interest...

For those interested I will be taking a look at Mr Speare's Bent Rod GT Sequential Shifter in the coming weeks. (Due to dispatch in early May)
 
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Thanks Mr Latte for your review I feel honored for getting such a high score!
I hope you dont mind sharing some new pictures of my boxes. Both V1 and V2 types with new collors.

Pearl Red V2
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Red Baron V1
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new Metallic Grey V2
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No problems and your welcome, just update me when you sort a web page or ordering site and I can link it.

Would you consider offering a future model using "two way toggle switches" ?
 
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Wow, those are some classy boxes Rs! 👍
The finish on those (as seen from the pictures) is amazing.
 
Mr Latte
No problems and your welcome, just update me when you sort a web page or ordering site and I can link it.

Would you consider offering a future model using "two way toggle switches" ?
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Actually I made a prototype with 3 two-way toggle switches (and 3 standard) -instead of push action in 3 rotary encodes. Thought it adds some versality but at the end I really much prefered original layout and pushbutton in each rotary encoder. Still I have some new ideas to try in the future, but main focus is on not adding aditional costs with any aditional changes.

@Fobia
Thanks a lot! I tried hard to get that result :)
 
I think your boxes are fantastic, but why not use momentary toggle switches? Would give us 6 more functions to play with...
 

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