Rubbing and Racing...(in that order)

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Basically this is (one of many) reasons why I feel online play is extremely overrated.
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I've had some epic races (in quick matches) with other drivers who drive fast and clean and where the slightest mistake costs you the win. Several have been won by a few 1/1000s and I've even had a dead heat. Since the very first GT, I've never had that close a win or loss and I've been that engrossed in the racing, my kids are laughing at me when I start leaning on the sofa to help me get round the corners when I'm put under pressure. Priceless fun.

Sure, I'm new, but I'm a long way off saying it's extremely overrated.
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@kilesa4568, i don't know what tires you use, but don't go for high grip tires, try to use sport hards only after the 500pp mark. Less grip = better battles.
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I've not done an open lobby race yet so had the quick match tyre options they give you. Couldn't it be argued that whatever the tyre compound, with fair racecraft, you'll still have close racing though?

As a rule for me, if it's a race car 600-700+PP, RH. Supercar with similar to lower PP, SS and everything below around 550, SH. I'm coming from single player though so still making the transition.

If the organizers choose lower grip to keep out the non-desirables, I'll adapt.
 
kilesa4568
I've had some epic races (in quick matches) with other drivers who drive fast and clean and where the slightest mistake costs you the win. Several have been won by a few 1/1000s and I've even had a dead heat. Since the very first GT, I've never had that close a win or loss and I've been that engrossed in the racing, my kids are laughing at me when I start leaning on the sofa to help me get round the corners when I'm put under pressure. Priceless fun.

Sure, I'm new, but I'm a long way off saying it's extremely overrated.


I've not done an open lobby race yet so had the quick match tyre options they give you. Couldn't it be argued that whatever the tyre compound, with fair racecraft, you'll still have close racing though?

As a rule for me, if it's a race car 600-700+PP, RH. Supercar with similar to lower PP, SS and everything below around 550, SH. I'm coming from single player though so still making the transition.

If the organizers choose lower grip to keep out the non-desirables, I'll adapt.
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Going with low grip tyres can increase the chance of collisions - especially from inexperienced drivers. As a host I pick tyres that suit the car and the race series from comfort hard to race hard, but don't get hung up on the grade.

I can't agree that online is over rated! When it works it's fantastic - unfortunately PD threw a spanner in the works and we couldn't issue any championship points last week due to invisible cars, lack of sound and disconnection problems. Here's a couple of shots taken when online is working sweetly to whet your appetite (from our Historic BSCC championship).

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kilesa4568
I've not done an open lobby race yet so had the quick match tyre options they give you. Couldn't it be argued that whatever the tyre compound, with fair racecraft, you'll still have close racing though?

As a rule for me, if it's a race car 600-700+PP, RH. Supercar with similar to lower PP, SS and everything below around 550, SH. I'm coming from single player though so still making the transition.

If the organizers choose lower grip to keep out the non-desirables, I'll adapt.
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Yes, definetly, with good racecraft you will always have good racing. Your tire choice is fine.

PSN added, later we can have some racing.
 
kilesa4568
I've had some epic races (in quick matches) with other drivers who drive fast and clean and where the slightest mistake costs you the win. Several have been won by a few 1/1000s and I've even had a dead heat. Since the very first GT, I've never had that close a win or loss and I've been that engrossed in the racing, my kids are laughing at me when I start leaning on the sofa to help me get round the corners when I'm put under pressure. Priceless fun.

Sure, I'm new, but I'm a long way off saying it's extremely overrated.


I've not done an open lobby race yet so had the quick match tyre options they give you. Couldn't it be argued that whatever the tyre compound, with fair racecraft, you'll still have close racing though?

As a rule for me, if it's a race car 600-700+PP, RH. Supercar with similar to lower PP, SS and everything below around 550, SH. I'm coming from single player though so still making the transition.

If the organizers choose lower grip to keep out the non-desirables, I'll adapt.
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I understand what you're saying, but online is basically a wasteland of children, cheaters, d' bags and people who generally don't play in the spirit of the game. Besides, I said that was only one of the reasons why I find online play overrated. One of the main (even bigger) reasons is that the majority of the time, any given game has been dumbed-down and altered to accommodate online play. The online components is ruining many games at their basic level.
 
Yes I am a fan of online but due to my PS3 being on life support, room temp 23 degrees or less, a desk fan, drilled holes on the base and a 1-2hr max playtime I now just stay offline.

However 6mths ago I finally ventured online and have to say for the most part was great meet some f-tards but for the most part met some great racers who were clean, respectful and skilled. I added the good ones as friends and vice versa. Built up a 10-15 friend list and would pm those when I went online to advise of the room I had set up or find where they were at and join them.

I miss those days as it was very easy to whittle away 3-4 very enjoyable hours. I can only imagine how good it could be when you are racing amongst those in organised clubs or the WRS. But I am like yourself kilesa I would rather take last and be clean honourable and know that I drove in the same manner that skilled pro racers do than a dirty talentless first by cutting, ramming or pit manouvering to a hollow victory.

Keep the faith and find some good clean racers add em and enjoy yourself!
 
I'm on the pro public bandwagon. From time to time, maybe once every couple weeks, there will be some yahoo. Most of the time, it's good respectful racing.

Quick match is a different story. No threat of being kicked/blocked means no rules.

You can usually sniff out the bad apples. They drive troll cars and, as stated, the more challenging the race set up, the fewer problems. For instance, I have never seen soneone kicked froma 550 or 600 ss room.

Some players have little self respect and driving troll cars or driving in an unsportsmanlike fashion is how they validate themselves.
 
What is it with the elitist attitude against RS tyres on this site?
Given the right car and the right drivers it's bang on.
Some of you make it sound like a crime against humanity to use RS tyres ... full stop.

Regarding quick match, yeh it's the luck of the draw.
Some rooms will be good, others not so.
Welcome to online gaming.

Rubbing ... Depends if you wish to become those you despise.
Everyone makes errors, so as frustrating as it is to be taken out, it's not always intentional.
But I'm more than happy to correct myself out of the grass and finish 7th and try again next time.
Better that than lose all self respect by bashing rear quarter panels to simply earn a few extra thousand credits.
It's the racing that matters, crossing the line first is simply a bonus.
 
Racing softs are way too grippy and practically turn GT6 into scalextric.

Driving on the edge of losing traction is way more realistic to me and a lot more fun.
 
kilesa4568
Racing softs are way too grippy and practically turn GT6 into scalextric.

Driving on the edge of losing traction is way more realistic to me and a lot more fun.
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...Slot cars, hmmm.

You ever see what happens to a slot car when it takes a corner too fast and breaks traction? It goes flying across the room.

Do you think drivers with RS tires just enjoy lollygagging around the track as if their cars are on rails? If your answer is yes, then you might as well just skip to the next post.

Racing soft tires give the Driver a lot more traction. The Driver uses that extra traction gain a lot more speed in the corners.

A good Driver will always push their car to it's limit. They will alway be driving on the edge of losing traction.

There is a difference between someone on crappy tires, and someone running on great tires. The person on great tires will be going a lot faster. Side by side racing through corners is a lot faster and a lot more exciting.

Increased speed means that any incidents that might occur, happen a lot faster. Instead of a looooong sloooow tire screeching 180, there is a quick and violent flying off the track into the sand/rails.

You tire snobs think it is more difficult to run on crappy tires. you are just dead wrong.
 
@Chrunch_Houston - It all depends what car the Racing Softs are on. For instance, if they're on an LMP car then fair enough, you're still gonna have to use some skill when cornering. However, if they're on 400pp stock cars, those cars won't have enough power to break the traction of RS tyres anyways.
 
Chrunch Houston
...Slot cars, hmmm.

You ever see what happens to a slot car when it takes a corner too fast and breaks traction? It goes flying across the room.

Do you think drivers with RS tires just enjoy lollygagging around the track as if their cars are on rails? If your answer is yes, then you might as well just skip to the next post.

Racing soft tires give the Driver a lot more traction. The Driver uses that extra traction gain a lot more speed in the corners.

A good Driver will always push their car to it's limit. They will alway be driving on the edge of losing traction.

There is a difference between someone on crappy tires, and someone running on great tires. The person on great tires will be going a lot faster. Side by side racing through corners is a lot faster and a lot more exciting.

Increased speed means that any incidents that might occur, happen a lot faster. Instead of a looooong sloooow tire screeching 180, there is a quick and violent flying off the track into the sand/rails.

You tire snobs think it is more difficult to run on crappy tires. you are just dead wrong.
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I drive up to 100%. Racing softs have the feeling that you can drive beyond that with their excessive grip. It feels physically impossible they can stick so well, plus when they do let go, it's violent. I know I'm on the limit with harder compounds, whereas with RS, the limit arrives in an instant. I haven't got fast enough reactions to catch it that fast.

I'm not saying they should never be used by anyone, if that's the tyre you're used to and can drive to their limit. For me, the only cars suitable for them are high powered/downforce single seaters. They even feel snatchy in LMP cars.

Anyway, it's personal taste, not tyre snobbery. I simply don't like them.
 
Someone please call GTAcademy, we've just discovered they've been doing it all wrong. 425PP on RS tires with full aids is the most difficult setup in GT6, not Comforts and Sports Hards like they've been using.

/S
 
Johnnypenso
Someone please call GTAcademy, we've just discovered they've been doing it all wrong. 425PP on RS tires with full aids is the most difficult setup in GT6, not Comforts and Sports Hards like they've been using.

/S
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GT Academy is not set up to be more difficult, it is set up to be more realistic.

I believe you are confusing realism with difficulty. There is nothing more difficult about breaking earlier and driving slower through the corners.
 
Chrunch Houston
I believe you are confusing realism with difficulty. There is nothing more difficult about breaking earlier and driving slower through the corners.
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...but it is more realistic to use lower compound tyres. You can feel what the car is doing a lot more than on the softest compound available, with its late braking, constant apex clipping, early power down exits.

I think I drive a lot safer on harder compounds anyway. I couldn't trust myself to catch the tank slappers RS often gave me trying to find the grip level. I know what the hard tyres will do. Personal preference.
 
Chrunch Houston
GT Academy is not set up to be more difficult, it is set up to be more realistic.

I believe you are confusing realism with difficulty. There is nothing more difficult about breaking earlier and driving slower through the corners.
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Can't tell if serious.:confused:
 
Johnnypenso
Can't tell if serious.:confused:
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Of course I'm serious. Haven't you read any of the posts above?

@kilesa4568 said:
"...they can stick so well, plus when they do let go, it's violent. I know I'm on the limit with harder compounds, whereas with RS, the limit arrives in an instant."
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"I think I drive a lot safer on harder compounds anyway. I couldn't trust myself to catch the tank slappers RS often gave me trying to find the grip level. I know what the hard tyres will do."

(I actually thought those two things were said by two different people.)

But anyway, enough of this off topic stuff here. Perhaps I will start a new thread with a poll.

EDIT: I started a new thread, with a poll here @Johnnypenso.
 
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I think it's pretty easy to tell if someone is contacting deliberately and if they are a repeat offender or just careless in controlling their car. Those ones present the real issues. Everyone makes mistakes so a little contact here and here just can't be avoided, especially drivers contending for a good position... I think that is the true spirit of the "rubbing is racing" statement.

But yes of course there are tools out there who don't go online to race, they go online to screw up everyone else's race because that is their idea of "fun."

Someone keep banging against me as we raced down a long straight side by side. Over and over he would swerve left and right in order to crash into the side of my car as we sped down the straight. I got sick of it, I slowed down a little and got behind him and punted him into the sand at the end of the straight. Yes it felt so good because he seriously had it coming, but I also don't feel good showing the same behavior I complain about (I guess sometimes it's OK in the safety of a virtual racetrack). Not surprising that I got ejected from the room immediately after the race ended.
 
There sure is a lot of Racing soft hate in here. I think we are getting away from the OP in regards to driving clean and slipping behind vs taking a dirty win. I have raced in plenty of mixed tire lobbies. More traction means a higher threshold for which you can push the vehicle. I personally find that RS give me the freedom to test my limits as a driver because I am driving on the edge 99% of the time. Contrary to what is stated in this thread, that takes a bit of skill to accomplish consistently. There are times in which lower pp/lower tire compound seems like a logical fit, but to truly know how fast you can go around a track, turn up the grip and turn off the aids.
If they drive dirty online, simply tell the host and have them kicked. Its nothing to really lose sleep over. I think the area of conversation should gravitate toward what exactly constitutes a dirty racer. Is it because they constantly put pressure on you and force you out of your comfort zone? Or could it be because they have a braking point different than yours and you guys swapped paint? I think its a somewhat subjective definition of a dirty move. Either way, arguing about tire compound doesn't really matter if someone has crappy technique.
 
You'll obviously be lapping quicker with stickier tyres. It's not all about lap times though. It's about enjoyment. If you enjoy sticky tyres, good for you. I'd rather take my harder compounds and try to get the most out them instead, just the same as you do with yours.

I can drive consistently with sticky tyres as well. The tyre compound doesn't change my skill level, only my lap times.

As for dirty drivers. I honestly know the difference between a clean and dirty driver. The clean driver won't use you as a braking aid into the corner, punt you into a wall or sandtrap to gain a position, move dozens of times to break a slipstream, or rejoin the track causing other drivers to have an accident themselves or lose a lot of time having to avoid them.


Yep. I know the difference between dirty and clean drivers.
 
I absolutely respect your viewpoint on tire choice. I also think that tire type effects some of the things you mentioned like braking into a corner and contact that might occur during a race. As far as the original post about racing to get the win or racing to drive a clean line, I will side with a clean line every time.I understand the frustration that comes along with that though. Sometimes you want to push back, its human nature. I think a little tit for tat that doesn't carry over into the next race isn't too bad. If it becomes a trend in that particular lobby then that is a different story.
 
I couldn't resort to their tactics, no matter how bad they got. I'd rather leave if there wasn't any clean racers than get drawn into anything like that. It's tempting...but I just can't bring myself to do it.
 
kilesa4568
As for dirty drivers. I honestly know the difference between a clean and dirty driver. The clean driver won't use you as a braking aid into the corner, punt you into a wall or sandtrap to gain a position, move dozens of times to break a slipstream, or rejoin the track causing other drivers to have an accident themselves or lose a lot of time having to avoid them.
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That's not a dirty driver, that's just someone who's spent too much time chasing rabbits in "career" mode. (Those are the exact habits the singler-player portion of this game forces you to employ) :P
 

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