Save option in endurance races

[Jyazz21]

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[Osr20_L]

This is very frustrating.. in GT4 at least we could put a b-spec driver an fas forward it !!!
I think i will hold the 24h races till PD' do someting with this.....

 

[paulpg87]

Petition for the possibility of saving. We've to do it, at least give us the possibility to save, if yoy use it will reduce your reward in the game, oike 50% of the money.

 

[RogsR34UK]

An option to save between Championship races would be desirable, especailly with the longer series (Formula GT with its five 20 lap races would be a prime candidate). I know there are racing games that allow that option.

I also remember Le Mans on the DC with the option to save (that was in the Pits wasn't it?). Great game other than the circuit being shortened compared to real life (if memory serves me correctly).

 

[StevenDunn99]

An option to save between Championship races would be desirable, especailly with the longer series (Formula GT with its five 20 lap races would be a prime candidate). I know there are racing games that allow that option.

I also remember Le Mans on the DC with the option to save (that was in the Pits wasn't it?). Great game other than the circuit being shortened compared to real life (if memory serves me correctly).

Initially I thought that Championship races should have saves. Now I have done them all I disagree. I do not think it is unreasonable to have one run through, and it stops people restarting part way through if something goes wrong with their 'driving skills'.

Endurance races - different ball game. A big **** up on PD's part.

Yeah, 24hr Le Mans - fab game on the PS2, with the full circuits including Petit Le Mans - that would have made a great Endurance race in GT5 ! Best racing experience of any game, the atomsphere and game design worked incredibly well and set some standards that PD could learn from.

 

[CeeJay]

Not to be a jerk but why would anyone care if some player would want to restart a championship race half way through? Should PD lock the challenges so you can't restart when you screw up, forcing you to finish even though you know you won't beat the time? I don't understand why some people want the game to force people to play a certain way.

 

[Zimmerd]

Not to be a jerk but why would anyone care if some player would want to restart a championship race half way through? Should PD lock the challenges so you can't restart when you screw up, forcing you to finish even though you know you won't beat the time? I don't understand why some people want the game to force people to play a certain way.

+1 I can imagine it's pretty frustrating for beginners or casual players when they **** up in one lap of the 20 and have to start all over again.. I don't understand why people like it to be frustrating for others. I thought the save would be in for championships and endurance... However, it's not the only fault in the game. I love it, though there really are some improvements needed

 

[SGT_Margera]

hey guys when the enduraces .... ??? im level 23

 

[MEATHOLE1958]

you should be able to save it, if you want to do the whole race in one go with your mates dont use the save.

 

[StevenDunn99]

+I don't understand why people like it to be frustrating for others.

Not that is not my point. Just my opinion, but the difference between a championship and a single event is that you have a series. So if you screw up restart the event like any other, which in this case is the series. I think it makes things a little more interesting and you can always go back and redo any event on its own at any time.

After all, if you can save after every race why bother even having with a Championship series ?

 

[FoolKiller]

Initially I thought that Championship races should have saves. Now I have done them all I disagree. I do not think it is unreasonable to have one run through, and it stops people restarting part way through if something goes wrong with their 'driving skills'.

First of all, how does it stop someone from restarting midway through if they screw up by not having saves between races in a championship. I did it last night. Quit -> Abandon Championship -> Start again. Saves between races do not allow you to go back and redo a race you screwed up.

Endurance races - different ball game. A big **** up on PD's part.

Oddly enough, no saves in endurance races makes more sense than no saves in Championships. It is an endurance race. That is the point. A championship is spread out over a season. No driver ever completed a season without more than a break between races.

Yeah, 24hr Le Mans - fab game on the PS2, with the full circuits including Petit Le Mans - that would have made a great Endurance race in GT5 ! Best racing experience of any game, the atomsphere and game design worked incredibly well and set some standards that PD could learn from.

100% agree.

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That said, I think both need saves. Championships need saves between races, so that we can step away from the big series for a bit, much like in real life some drivers will go race in a support series or, get this, practice for the next race.

Endurances needs saves because no driver drives an entire race themselves. Without the option to switch out with a B-Spec driver you must rely on pausing your system for extended time periods or relying on friends or family who might be likely to botch up your race. Allowing the save during a pit stop allows you to gain rest again and sit back down later in the roll of a fresh driver.

Now, some stipulations can be put on these to make them make sense. If you are in a championship save you can do no other championships and no races at a higher level than your current championship. For instance, if you are saved during the GT World Championship you cannot participate in anything above the Professional series and cannot enter something like the European Hot Hatch Championship, although you can do the single races from that event. Essentially, your forward progression is frozen so long as you are in a championship.

If you are in an endurance race there should just be one stipulation: You cannot do anything else in GT Mode (except for online) until you finish or abandon the race.

 

[Zphinx69]

Personally, I use my PS3 for more than just playing games. Pausing a 24hr endurance race and rendering my system useless because there's no option to quick-save and resume at ones' own convenience is ridiculous. Downloads, Blu-Ray movies, Life with Playstation. My system is always on and doing something useful for me or others. 5-10 years ago pausing the action might've been a good solution but to me, it's no longer acceptable.

I hope PD implements mid-race saving for endurance races. Even if just at milestones, i.e - 20minutes/40minutes/etc.

How about buying a second PS3, that way you can watch your Movies and with the other one do these Long races. Or just buy a DVD player/Blue ray

 

[StevenDunn99]

Endurances needs saves because no driver drives an entire race themselves. Without the option to switch out with a B-Spec driver you must rely on pausing your system for extended time periods or relying on friends or family who might be likely to botch up your race. Allowing the save during a pit stop allows you to gain rest again and sit back down later in the roll of a fresh driver.

Now, some stipulations can be put on these to make them make sense. If you are in a championship save you can do no other championships and no races at a higher level than your current championship. For instance, if you are saved during the GT World Championship you cannot participate in anything above the Professional series and cannot enter something like the European Hot Hatch Championship, although you can do the single races from that event. Essentially, your forward progression is frozen so long as you are in a championship.

If you are in an endurance race there should just be one stipulation: You cannot do anything else in GT Mode (except for online) until you finish or abandon the race.

FoolKiller I agree with you.

My point on Championship saves was that if you save after each race then if you mess one up you could exit the game and restart at the beginning of the race you have just messed up. ie turning the Championship into a bunch of single events - then what is the point ? Overcome that, as per your Endurance race suggestion - then fine.

Endurance races needs saves because people; have lives, share their PS3 with others etc. Your stipulation is the way to go.

IMO; above all no game should have an 'event' that requires more than one hour of continuous play and mid 'event' saves should always be available in those circumstances; and yes that includes the FGT Championship series.

 

[tezster]

There are a number of ways to implement saves for multi-race events without allowing people to exploit it. Only allow a save after every X amount of races, also force them to continue the race they next time they run the game i.e. you aren't allowed to do anything else except continue the championship. If you quit any race, you start from the very beginning.

 

[FoolKiller]

IMO; above all no game should have an 'event' that requires more than one hour of continuous play and mid 'event' saves should always be available in those circumstances; and yes that includes the FGT Championship series.

Considering all games contain a warning telling you to take a break after 1 hour of play, this seems to definitely be very reasonable.

MGS4 would point out how long you have been playing and suggest a break during loading screens.

 

[Neal]

My point on Championship saves was that if you save after each race then if you mess one up you could exit the game and restart at the beginning of the race you have just messed up. ie turning the Championship into a bunch of single events - then what is the point ? Overcome that, as per your Endurance race suggestion - then fine.

A solution could be that once you start a championship race the save is updated to this effect so that if you quit or turn off the PS3 and you then reenter the championship you are taken to the next race and get a DNF for the one you quit. Fair enough this doesn't help someone who has a power failure but it prevents people exploiting the feature.

Mid race/championship saves for both A-spec and B-spec need to be implemented with a patch. I really can't see any technical or practical reason why they can't be included and it would allow thousands if not millions of people to get even greater enjoyment from the game.

 

[StevenDunn99]

Mid race/championship saves for both A-spec and B-spec need to be implemented with a patch. I really can't see any technical or practical reason why they can't be included and it would allow thousands if not millions of people to get even greater enjoyment from the game.

I wonder if the lack of save options has anything to do with the way PD have implemented the whole GT Life/Lobby etc interface.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Saving progress in an Endurance race... not something I'd support.

Saving between races in a Championship... that's a feature that should be reinstated!

 

[FoolKiller]

Saving progress in an Endurance race... not something I'd support.

Saving between races in a Championship... that's a feature that should be reinstated!

Out of curiosity, why?

What would be the harm in Endurance saves that wouldn't affect Championship saves?

 

[TenEightyOne]

Out of curiosity, why?

What would be the harm in Endurance saves that wouldn't affect Championship saves?

I suppose it's because a Championship is a series of races and that you should be able to jump in and out of that series.

An Endurance race is specifically that - a definably long race. If inter-endurance saving was enabled you could argue (or I could at least ) that the developers may as well implement a championship in its stead.

 

[JeffKill]

I don't really understand why people wouldn't want the option to save at some point during endurance races. Especially when one of them runs for 24 hrs? How many people even have the option (or want) to play a video game for 24 hrs straight? And I definitely don't like the idea of leaving the PS3 on for 24 hrs straight, let alone continuously pausing the race and leaving it sit for god knows how many hours till you finish the race. So you're just screwed if you power happens to go out, fun.

I would like to see the option to save both endurance races and championships. More so the endurance races than the championships.

 

[TenEightyOne]

I think that rather than enabling saves it would be better if PD re-enabled the option to switch to your B-Spec driver (as in GT4).

 

[ruf_ctr2]

I suppose it's because a Championship is a series of races and that you should be able to jump in and out of that series.

An Endurance race is specifically that - a definably long race. If inter-endurance saving was enabled you could argue (or I could at least ) that the developers may as well implement a championship in its stead.

Well the 24-hour races never have one driver either.... And its not like the computer is suffering from the same fatigue that the player does. GT5 has sold a very large number of units and I would guess .1% would want to do a 24-hour straight race if not less.

 

[JeffKill]

I think that rather than enabling saves it would be better if PD re-enabled the option to switch to your B-Spec driver (as in GT4).

Which would also require the PS3 to be left on for a long period of time.

I don't mind driving the whole race myself, but it would be nice if I could do it in 1,2 or even 3 hour increments.

Expecting anyone to play for 6,9 or 24 hours straight isn't taking the fact that people have jobs/lives/wives/gf's/children into consideration.

 

[Menown]

There needs to be saves. Leave it up to the end user if he/she wants to do a championship and "cheat" and the same with endurance races.

Give people options, maybe offer a better reward car for doing it Iron Man style. As it stands now a large number of people will never start an endurance race and some people on even tighter gaming schedules won't even get to do long championships.

I don't care if people reload every time they make a mistake, that is their business, give me the option to play the game my way.

 

[stadti]

I kind of quote from the health warning which is one the first page of the game manual (it's not really quoting because it's written in German on my manual, it's more a free translation"

"... Make a break of 15 minutes after every gaming hour. ....

If you would follow this advice every a 24 hour endurance race would need 30 hours of real time. Well I don't know about you guys but my "record" of staying awake is about 78 hours. However I'm not sure if you could have really called me "awake" after 40+ hours.

But back on track, after 16 hours of staying awake I'm not able to concentrate on something for 100%. After 20 hour I'm getting tired like hell. After about 26 hours mikrosleep starts. Which is bad when you are driving a car in le mans with a speed of 380km/h and then theres a chicane.

In the Book "Effect of total sleep deprivation on reaction time and waking EEG activity in man. Sleep." from Lorenzo I, Ramos J, Arce C et al. the reaction time is analysed with the relation of staying awake. After about 20 hours your time to react is 20% longer than if you are fully awake.

There is a reason why in reallity there are 2+ drivers doing 24 hour races and why they change after a certain amount of time. This change of drivers would be simulated (yes simulated as it should be by a simulation game) by auto saving after the same amount of time which is usual for 24 hour races, e.g. every 6 hours.

Anyways I'm not going to do the +4 hour endurance races my own, I'm waiting until i can fast forward bob for those and until there is a save option for A-Spec

 

[seeker589]

I totally support mid-race saves on endurance races and between race saves on championships.

I also would like the return of a b-spec option during endurance races. I was actually hopeing that when I unlocked the endurance section that A and B-spec would merge - no luck with that!

The only restriction I would put on them would be that you cannot start any other races until the endurance race or championship.

I'm just trying to figure out Kaz's philosophy on this move. After all he didn't drive the 24hours of the 'Ring by him self!

 

[ldmj808]

Totally agree.

They NEED to have save points or something to save during races in the endurance series.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Hello guys, a great lack in the gt series is the possibily to save during the races, in particular Endurance races.don't thoughts that is arrrived the moment to have this option?

The vast majority of GT5 players likely feel your pain. Some Gran Turismo Fanboy Defense League (GTFDL) members will always be there to rush in with excuses supporting the long endurance races and the inability to save or even to swap out with Bob for a while, or swoop in to the rescue with bandage solutions like pausing it for a break or even a nap, but none of their arguments actually fix the problem or negate the fact that it is a problem in the first place.

It's abnormal for people to leave a game running for six, twelve, twenty-four hours straight, and very few people ever actually do that, especially when talking twelve or more consecutive hours. To expect players to do so is completely absurd and unrealistic. To expect players to even want to do so is even farfetched, as all but a minority of super-hardcore players would have any interest in such a time-consuming investment in a single race like that.

Then to expect a player to actually race the entire distance completely on their own is also absurd. Anybody that knows anything about real-world endurance races knows that they never, ever have a single driver do the entire race by himself. There's always a team of drivers that alternate in shifts. For example, 24 Hours of Le Mans has three different drivers per car taking turns doing four-hour stints, as I recall. So, if the events are going to be there, it's practical and realistic to at least allow Bob to take over for parts of the race, and better still to have a few Bobs alternate in there.

Of course, the best and most realistic option, if we're going to bother with endurance races in a game in the first place, is to allow us to save and resume later. This is what simply makes the most sense and is the most realistic option to present to players. Now, the GTFDL may jump in with an argument about how in real life drivers don't get to save and resume later, but in real life it's their friggin' job to sit there and do whatever they have to do for however long they have to, while we're doing it for entertainment and typically have lives and jobs that pretty much demand us to put the bloody game down from time to time. As soon as DP (did that on purpose) starts paying us real money to drive these endurance races, making it an actual paying job, then the GTFDL can argue about the reality of sitting here for several consecutive hours.

just pause it

We shouldn't have to do this.

 

[gemmy]

i just reached 9h endurance races

no way im gonna do them, or 24h race, only if they impliment save, or let bob drive, when im not driving, not even in real 24h races one driver drives all time alone

i just simply wont let my ps run gt5 like few days in row one for one race, i dont wanna risk it brakes down