SCC - Ferrari 348 Challenge Series - Series Complete - Results Posted!

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I basically agree that the setup only counts for so much, and a bad line or late brake will undo any time gained in even the best setup. Especially at VIR where the run-offs are measured in miles...

Having said that, the laps I do in tweaking the setup give me some practice at least, and let me adjust the car to suit my driving. Plus, working out the tuning settings until it feels just right, gives me a confidence boost for the race. Is the advantage all in my head? Probably, but that's where most races are won or lost anyway so it couldn't hurt. :nervous:
 
arvore
You don't have to be good at one thing in order to like it...as all my driving experience in this game crearly proves:dunce:
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jjaisli
:crazy: You were right Bullie--this place is a horror show! :scared:
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It isn't much of a matter of being good in one track in order to like it or not. VIR it's everything opposite to what a track should be. You have flat terrain in some parts where instead of having a straight, there's a left-right-left sequence followed be a 90º degrees blind corner that climbs over a hill. And people get surprised this sort of accidents happen?!

The better a track is integrated on it's landscape, the better it'll flow, and the more enjoyable it'll became. See Portimão for example. All corners are beautiful integrated in the landscape profile, making it challenging, but flowing. Or Spa - a lap there, although take an extra minute compared to VIR, it seems that time flyes of.


Alan_G
Yeah that's very true. I'll be honest; there does seem to be quite a bit of twiddling around with bits of car settings. It doesn't make enough difference in my opinion. I just have a stock setup applied, and sometimes maybe change the springs or roll bar

Some people may do 10 laps, make a change, then do 10 even faster laps and think that the setup change made the difference. But the reality it is most likely just better lines and technique over the later laps. At least in my case it is a lot of the time.
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I disagree. For someone who, like me, is more "limited" on his abilities of driving a car, the biggest improvements you can get from tweaking up the car's setups are the balance and grip coming out of the corners. In this game, specially with wheel, it is very very easy to lose the balance of your car. This track is actually very prone to it. My lap difference time between setup/non-setup is over 8 seconds!!
 
hm66
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Since there was no one on today to play with,I had some pratice again.After some changes to the setup it is now clear to me that it's not the settings that matters the most on this track.At least with the wheel it's all about the lines you take,and not trying to attack the corners.It's been sayed before Slow in and fast out.But on this track if you break late you loose a lot of time on the way to the next corner.Ones I got the lines right the time start dropping.Now down to 1:28:89 but there was clearly room for some improvment.
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I played time trail yesterday and was theoretically abel to get in to the 1'27, but lost it in the end, whit every extra lap the cncentration was lower and lower, until a point i didnt understand why am i 0.5 slower in one corner and 0.2 in the other, and did more and more mistakes.

This track is very demanding for the driver, there are different setups that can work, one is good over the bumps and the other is with a little overstepping that i was experimenting with.

EDIT. i did not 1000 laps, it was around 35 ...
 
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Hey Biggles, I took another look at Jeff's video and although I didn't realise it at the time it does appear that I made contact with your rear end! If I had felt the contact at the time I would have slowed immediately to let you through.

As it happens, that's what I did anyway after I hit Hairy-Dave a couple of corners later when he braked early for turn 7. Karma eh! Sorry dude.
 
The start of the sprint race will always be a bit more chaotic compared to the feature race as:

A) It's in the rain.
B) It's reverse finishing order from the previous race (meaning, in theory, the faster people are at the back).

But I like the idea behind it. That being, let's see JUST how good the guys starting at the back of the pack REALLY are. And generally, they show us. :sick::scared:

That said, I think most of the regulars here have become very good and contact is generally minimal. 👍 But sometimes with that many cars in a tight corner, it's just inevitable.
 
Now that I've got back into SCC I'm targeting a back of the grid position at Virginia! Hopefully, I will achieve that in race 2 rather than race 1!! :)
 


It doesn't need to be a reverse order for huge crash! :scared:


If some of these comments are based on my original race comment, I have to say that I didn't see what happened in the front of the pack. I only saw that cars were quite much all over the place, but as seen in the video above, it doesn't need to mean that someone is driving wrong, it can be simply be a small driving error that leads into a big trouble in a tight pack.

But I would like to see serious damage affects in these kind of games. At least in our SSV8NC league I see in the reverse order start a lot of risky moves that wouldn't be there if one contact could ruin your race. For example fender twisted so that it would rub your tire and blow it and you would need to go to pits. Crash doesn't need to be big in real life to ruin the race. But as we don't have that, it's easier to take risks. Door is little bit open, so just dive in, even if it involves some paint trading. And this of course plays bigger role in a reverse order start, because fastest drivers of the first race try to rush it to the top so that they might have bigger chance of running away before others get through.


Edit: Derek, great to hear! Maybe we can do some practice together in this too.
 
Nice video Lassi. I like the leading drivers' names. Banjo Matthews and, particularly, Fireball Roberts!!

Certainly, we can meet up to do some practice. I'll keep an eye out for you. Don't think I'll be able to match the 100 laps per session though!
 
turnupdaheat
Nice video Lassi. I like the leading drivers' names. Banjo Matthews and, particularly, Fireball Roberts!!

Certainly, we can meet up to do some practice. I'll keep an eye out for you. Don't think I'll be able to match the 100 laps per session though!
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We should use such "artistic" names in our Ferrari Series...

Mandolin Biggles
Flying Turtle Bullie
Supersonic New Soul
Railroad Express AlanG
Mountaineer jjaisli

and so on... :dopey:
 
turnupdaheat
Don't think I'll be able to match the 100 laps per session though!
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Well, you don't have to worry about that as I think I barely broke the 100 laps overall amount on Mont Tremblant.


Speaking of Mont Tremblant, a little late but here is the setup that I used in there:

Setup: Front / Rear
Springs: Soft / Soft
Dampers: Soft / Soft
Roll bars: Hard / Hard
Ride height: Max - / Max +
Camber: Max - / Max -
Toe: -0.03 / -0.18

Probably not the best setup, but as I drove with that on Friday and got used to it I didn't want to change it anymore.
 
Checked it this morning. You are 9th, Manny 10th with mid 1.30' both of you. Above you guys there are a few 1.29's, first of those is GTP_Devie. Then there's a HUGE gap of about 1 second to the top guys all in the 1.28. Led by Alan (1st place) with a very, very low 1.28, I guess 1.27's might show up.

I have a very modest position with a 1.32 , (thirty something I think) probably posted a long time ago in a casual race. I'm in good company however, Simcoeace is either one place higher or one place lower, can't remember.
 
on vir, i was on 1.35.19 with default setups on a 9 laps quick race..i had lost my cars back easily..

yesterday i had done verly little setups to my 348 and i am on 1.33.61 now in a 9 laps quick race...the lost in may 348s' back almost gone, but still there a little..

i hope i can goes to 1.30-.1.31 with some tuning...working on setups really help to improve lap times..i have sets suspensions, toe and camber settings..not done anything with ride hide, now i have to test it...i will increase the back a little and and decrease very little in the front..i hope i can improve my lap times...

any tips will be welcomed :))
 
hozes
on vir, i was on 1.35.19 with default setups on a 9 laps quick race..i had lost my cars back easily..

yesterday i had done verly little setups to my 348 and i am on 1.33.61 now in a 9 laps quick race...the lost in may 348s' back almost gone, but still there a little..

any tips will be welcomed :))
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Hi Hozes,

If you haven't already done so, change to HARD anti-roll bars, increase rear (-) negative camber and as you said, increase the rear ride height.

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In general, I had a bit of a break through last night. There was no miracle change in the setup. In fact, I only changed one thing, which admittedly helped quite a bit. But for the most part, it was just a matter of finding a rhythm, being able to nail the corners in sequence and putting it all together over the course of a lap. There are several corners on this track that flow from one to another. Get one wrong, or the first in sequence wrong, and you're pretty much screwed for the next few corners as well. In that sense VIR is VERY demanding and possibly one of the most 'technical' tracks in this game. BE CAREFUL KIDS, YOU MIGHT GET HURT! :lol:

I STILL need a lot of work though because I'm just not consistent enough. And the penalty for making a mistake is painfully high. But my PB is now down into the low 1:29s and I think I could probably get into the 1:28s with some more work. But the main thing is, I felt the track was finally 'coming to me' last night in the sense that I understood WHAT I needed to do to go faster. It's a great feeling.

:sly: <-- (JJ, enjoying the great feeling)
 
jjaisli
Hi Hozes,

If you haven't already done so, change to HARD anti-roll bars, increase rear (-) negative camber and as you said, increase the rear ride height.

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In general, I had a bit of a break through last night. There was no miracle change in the setup. In fact, I only changed one thing, which admittedly helped quite a bit. But for the most part, it was just a matter of finding a rhythm, being able to nail the corners in sequence and putting it all together over the course of a lap. There are several corners on this track that flow from one to another. Get one wrong, or the first in sequence wrong, and you're pretty much screwed for the next few corners as well. In that sense VIR is VERY demanding and possibly one of the most 'technical' tracks in this game. BE CAREFUL KIDS, YOU MIGHT GET HURT! :lol:

I STILL need a lot of work though because I'm just not consistent enough. And the penalty for making a mistake is painfully high. But my PB is now down into the low 1:29s and I think I could probably get into the 1:28s with some more work. But the main thing is, I felt the track was finally 'coming to me' last night in the sense that I understood WHAT I needed to do to go faster. It's a great feeling.

:sly: <-- (JJ, enjoying the great feeling)
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I had a similar, but smaller breakthrough a few days ago that got me consistantly into the high 1:30's with mid 1:30's when done right, which was a good feeling, but since then I've made no advances which has been frustrating. My time on the track has been very broken up this week so I rarely get settled in before I get called away. Hopefully this weekend I'll be able to concentrate on the couple of turns I know that I'm losing time on.

The track is quite a bit different than I thought it was. As you said much more a technical track than it appears to be.
 
Well seems more and more people are having the "100 laps pratice" mania:p
Well done Jeff.I'm impressed,but not so much as I was last night with a wet lap from our ACE Alan:tup:
Wanna know which was it ? Join us next time:p;):D
 
Jeff ... what can I say ... STOP PRACTISING! :lol:

(I think we should set up a rule here. All guys below 1.30 cannot practise anymore ;) )


Last night I joined arvore, manny and kemp (also an australian player, don't remember the name) in a lobby and I was doing nicely, quite pleased with myself and my almost regular 1.31 lows / 1.30 highs.

Then ... AlanG showed up and did a (high) 1.31 lap in the WET !!!! :crazy: :lol:


Congrats Alan, very, very impressive and the most amazing thing is that it seems (for the few laps I could keep in touch) almost effortless, very smooth driving! 👍
 
arvore
Well seems more and more people are having the "100 laps pratice" mania:p
Well done Jeff.I'm impressed,but not so much as I was last night with a wet lap from our ACE Alan:tup:
Wanna know which was it ? Join us next time:p;):D
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I probably won't be on again for a few days as my free time will be stretched a bit thin through the weekend. But I really needed a bit of time last night on my own to work through my problem on this track. I'm not quite there yet but I'm getting close. :D I'll join you guys next time.

For the record, I have 207 laps TOTAL at VIR in my entire history with SCC, including on-line, off-line and previous old timer events. On my honor. :cool:

I haven't run too many wet laps. I did about 10 last night just to test my setup and it seems to work OK. I had one wet lap in the low 1:34s but I know I can do better if I get it right.

I don't even want to think what the Aliens are running. :crazy::bowdown:


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Hun200kmh
Then ... AlanG showed up and did a (high) 1.31 lap in the WET !!!!
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Oh Boy. :scared:
 
Hi all
For the record, I have 207 laps TOTAL at VIR in my entire history with SCC, including on-line, off-line and previous old timer events. On my honor.
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That is alot of laps jeff.

I think I'm around 160 laps on VIR.

Had some races with new_soul this morning and was able to improve my time to 1:28:48:)
Still room for improvment (I think)
 
hm66
Had some races with new_soul this morning and was able to improve my time to 1:28:48:)
Still room for improvment (I think)
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I see. :irked: <-- Great feeling gone.
 
:lol: Guys, save the Latin for Chariot Racing.

None the less, very funny. :D
 
I was going to reply to a private message from JJ, but I think the reply is more relevant here! We were just mentioning a few things about car setup at Virginia. I was going to make a point about toe:

The camber is the big one, as I'm sure everyone knows. Anything less than maximum-negative is giving away time. But it's probably risky with a wheel.

In terms of raw pace, toe makes very little difference. I tried default toe, maximum negative, and maximum positive toe. Using maximum positive toe was a bit more responsive and maybe can be a few tenths better (at best - but the instability is more likely to cause lost time through mistakes). But with maximum negative toe, I think I put in a mid 1'28, so it's not much slower, and it's a bit more stable (less likely to get into a slide it seems).

I'll try it out a bit more extensively later, as I'd like to be sure.
 
Hey Biggles, I took another look at Jeff's video and although I didn't realise it at the time it does appear that I made contact with your rear end! If I had felt the contact at the time I would have slowed immediately to let you through.

As it happens, that's what I did anyway after I hit Hairy-Dave a couple of corners later when he braked early for turn 7. Karma eh! Sorry dude.
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No problem. I just didn't want everyone to think I was drunk or something ... :crazy:
 
Biggles
I'm still in the mid '50s, but I feel by using a slightly softer pick, adjusting the bridge to lower the action & moving to a lighter gauge string, I could probably drop a couple of seconds off my time ... 👍
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:lol:

Maybe oiling the neck could help to get smoother transmissions!
 

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