SCC Old Timer Event - Ferrari P330 P4 - Sunday Nov 22, 2009 - *Event Complete *

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what do you guys say about 2 groups then a main round on sunday. So 2 groups of 8 on saterday evening and the top 4 from each group go to the main event on sunday but its all up to you guys and jasail he make the event happen.

There was a lot of interest in the event this week. I don't think there's a need to create two lobbies though. A problem I have is that some people don't bother staying until the end. I think only 9 people finished the final race. It's okay if people have other commitments which means they need to leave early (or join late). But some people are well up for the whole thing at the start, make a mess of it, and quit at some stage. So if we did 2 lobbies, we'd end up with 2 lobbies with 4 or 5 people in each.

I suppose the main point I'm making is that it does take effort and commitment from Jeff to be there on time, host the lobby and take on the whole responsibility, especially it being a private lobby requiring so many invites. So anyone taking part should show a bit of respect and stay there until the end, or at least send a courtesy message after quitting (maybe people did send a message this week after quitting, but just making the point anyway).

We all know beforehand that lag and 'bad prediction' (and some bad driving!) will inevitably cause collisions and problems for everyone at some stage. So just try to make the most of it.

Another point I must make is that participation in these kind of events carries a responsibility to be prepared. When there are 14 drivers, there will be a lot of close racing, especially at the start. So everyone does need to have a very good idea of braking points. Not only that, but a combined group effort is always required for everyone to even coast to the first corner if required. In saying that, I think today it was mostly good - I took it quite easy at the start with people in front of me, and looking around, others did the same. But I have to make the point that if someone is on the starting grid and doesn't have the (latest) braking point for turn1 in mind, then really the driver should not be in the race.


Here's my event review.

Homestead:
Started in 3rd position. Got very close to Jeff coming through turn 1. Nearly went off at the exit. Got a good slingshot out of turn 2, alongside Jeff, held the inside for turn 3 and into 1st place. From then on had a nice clean run.

Nurburgring:
Started in 2nd place I think. Got alongside 'drivatar' I believe. With MHailwood somewhere behind I really wanted to get into first ASAP. Overdid it a fraction under braking for turn 1. Ended up in the gravel. Down to 4th place, MHailwood just in front. Coming into turn-5 (long left hander) Ghost_Dice (I think) was in front, and with the line he took into that corner I knew I had him into turn-6 (right hander). Got along side on the entry to turn-6, but unaware of me he turned in and we had contact. Unfortunately he ended up in the gravel I think. I'd say not his fault, not my fault - just a racing incident. So then, MHailwood in front in 2nd place. We both passed the next person. On lap 2 I think, MHailwood went off, and I got through. The next 3 laps the gap was incredibly consistent, around 3.5 seconds. He made a couple of more mistakes over the next couple of laps, and that settled it really.

Riviera:
Started around 5th I think. Made a place off the grid I think. Side-by-side with Arvore I think through turn 1. Think I passed him before the tunnel section. Closed up on Mario. Came along-side through the tunnel. Overdid it through the first fast right hander after the tunnel, hit the wall sideways hard and collected Mario on the rebound. Got back on course and found Mario burried in the orange/white wall before the 2nd last turn. TURNER_047 was in first doing a very good pace. Managed to close up, got passed, and from then on it was clean enough.

Spa:
Started around 5th again. Got to 4th I think after the start. Was single-file through Eau Rouge thankfully. DrSto1ner was made a move to the left of Arvore (I think) on the big straight, and I made a move to the right. So 3-wide down the straight. On the inside for the next corner (Les Combes), got a good braking point and held the inside. Hairy-Dave was in 1st. He did some good defensive driving. Got passed at Stavelot 1 I think. Braked for the Bus Stop; looking good for the entry. Derek was behind. I could see the split time approaching zero. I held my line assuming he might swerve to avoid me, but I got nudged onto the penalty zone (getting a penalty, which is pretty annoying!). Got out of that corner in first. Then at the next corner (La Source), got hit by Derek again, very hard this time. He ended up with a penalty for the collision. Exiting that corner, it looked like he wanted to let me through, but Hairy-Dave got in between. So we went through Eau Rouge, and over the top of the crest. Derek was coasting slowly on the racing line at the exit. So that came upon me very quickly. There was a gap to the right. I committed to try and slip through, but the door closed at the last moment. I swerved the other way and ended up on the grass.

Derek - If you're reading this, thanks for slowing up. But I just have to add (applies to everyone I suppose [and me!]), at the exit of Eau Rouge it's very fast, blind, and the car is unstable well beyond the exit, so one can't change direction until around 50m+ past the exit at the top. So would be a good to keep off the racing line to let someone through at those kind of sections. In that instance, I think you wanted me to go left, but there was no way I was going to make it over at that speed, so I went for a gap at the right, and the collision hapened.

Mont Tremblant:
Started mid-field. Made a couple of places approaching the first sweep. Attempted to go around the outside of someone, swerved to avoid something and ended up using the pit exit! Made a few more moves. Got to 1st and was clean enough from then. Actually threw into the barrier around lap 7 at turn 4 (the final right hander of that section). Just before I hit the wall I looked at the gap expecting a bit more than it was - TURNER_047 was doing a great job, only around 5 seconds behind! So there was no margin for anymore of those kind of errors. I also noticed later Mario and then Jeff in 2nd place with a strong pace, so well done with that.
 
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Supercar Challenge - Old Timer Event - 330 P4 - Sunday, November 22, 2009 - Race Results

First of all, a big thanks to all those who took part in the 330 P4 event. I was quite surprised and rather pleased that so many people expressed an interest to take part in this event. My fear of not being able to accommodate everybody never came to pass but it was pretty close, with as many as 14 racers taking part at one point. Despite the lag, which was quite ridiculous at times, I had a really good time taking part in these races, as well as organizing the event and putting it all together.

That said, I have to offer a general apology for my own driving in the event. Aside from the very first race (in which points don't count, and the very last race (redemption), I'm afraid my own performance was nothing to be proud of and the videos, when completed will be rather cringe worthy. I suppose it's my own fault for my rather smug comments to Biggles earlier in the thread. We reap what we sow. :dunce:

Most likely, the Eutechnyx patch with revised collision physics will be out soon and my current plan is to run another Old Timer event at the same time on Sunday, December 6th. I hope to see everybody back for round 5.


A) Practice Session : Homestead Miami Infiend - 3 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

As mentioned, points don't count at the first practice section. But I'll tabulate them anyway just for record sake. (Unfortunately, I'm missing positions 7 & 8. If anybody knows the order, please let me know and I'll update it accordingly.) I started this race in 1st (figures--the one race which doesn't count for points) and made a decent start. Somehow AlanG made a pass up the inside on the 2nd corner. I had no idea he was squeezing in there and how he managed to slip in that small space, I have no idea. Well done Alan! From that point, and knowing I wouldn't catch Alan unless he made a serious mistake, I ran a quick but conservative pace and consolidated second. I can't say much about what happened behind me. Perhaps others can offer more insight.

Results:
1) AlanG184 - 1:19.25 - 10 points + 1 FL
2) jjaisli - 1:21.28 - 8 points
3) turnupdaheat - 1:21.08 - 6 points
4) arvore - 1:24.20 - 5 points
5) turner_042 - 1:22.80 - 4 points
6) GTP_bullie77 - 1:24.77 - 3 points
7) L449KUX - 1:24.55 - 2 points
8) drivatar - 1:27.45 - 1 point
9) Ghost_Yelo - 1:26.42
10) GTP_Hun - 1:22.54
11) Hairy-Dave - 1:27.80
12) Ghost_Dice - 1:31.19
13) RuiGT - RTD
14) MHailwood - RTD
Race length: 4 min 5 seconds


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1) Race No 2 : Nurburgring - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

Here's where the trouble started. The field bunched up in the first corner. I realized I probably wouldn't be able to avoid some of the cars in front of me and headed off road to take my poor judgement into the gravel. But before I got there, somebody who took a slightly less conservative line than I had myself hit me from behind. I turned around and noticed the carnage behind and pretty much all around me (with half the field sporting penalty flags above their cars). I tried to get back on the track and moving asap. My own race was highlighted by poor driving, silly mistakes and just plain stupidity. Although one accident, for which I'm very sorry, but can't really blame myself was smacking turner_042 head on at high speed. The road was covered in smoke, as often happens. But I didn't realized turner was stopped on track in the middle of it. BOOM. :ouch: Two laps from the end, a spin had me lose 2 positions and at that point, I just wanted the race to end and get to the next track--a wet race with armco on all sides. Hmmmm.

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Results:
1) AlanG184 - 2:05.05 - 10 points + 1 FL
2) MHailwood - 2:05.49 - 8 points
3) GTP_Hun - 2:08.20 - 6 points
4) turnupdaheat - 2:08.52 - 5 points
5) turner_042 - 2:07.57 - 4 points
6) GTP_bullie77 - 2:12.27 - 3 points
7) jjaisli - 2:08.50 - 2 points
8) Ghost_Yelo - 2:09.02 - 1 point
9) L449KUX - 2:12.00
10) Ghost_Dice - 2:12.41
11) Arvore - 2:09.01
12) drivatar - 2:15.43
13) Hairy-Dave - 2:15.87
Race Time: 19 in 3 seconds



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2) Race No 2 : Riviera - 15 Laps - WET - Random Grid

I found myself last on the Grid for this race. Realizing there was no point to charge ahead, I made a leisurely start and didn't contest my position. I figured I could pick off a few spots if any accidents occurred ahead of me. The plan seemed to work and I was on my way. Unfortunately, after being able to put in times in the 1:54s in practice, I found I had a terrible time coming to grips with the track and conditions. For the first 3 laps, I completely botched the fast left-right sweeper--not to mention just about every other corner on the track. Had this been a real race, I would have damaged my car beyond repair and would never have seen the checkered flag. I was so angry and frustrated with myself and was beginning to think that this event was about to be my worst showing since my ROC round II event against Alan. But something clicked and around lap 4~5, it started to come together. Although I was never able to put in a lap time I was satisfied with, I was able to make a decent finish and run some relative consistent laps toward the end.

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Results:
1) AlanG184 - 1:53.02 - 10 points +1 FL
2) turner_042 - 1:54.92 - 8 points
3) jjaisli - 1:56.06 - 6 points
4) L449KUX - 1:57.25 - 5 points
5) turnupdaheat - 1:57.57 - 4 points
6) GTP_Hun - 1:55.89 - 3 points
7) Ghost_Yelo - 1:59.12 - 2 points
8) GTP_bullie77 - 2:01.12 - 1 point
9) Arvore - 1:59.09
10) Hairy-Dave - 2:03.17
11) Ghost_Dice - 2:02.22
12) drivatar - 2:03.62
13) MHailwood - RTD
14) RuiGT - RTD
Race Time: 28 min 49 seconds


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3) Race No 3 : Spa - 9 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

Just when I thought things couldn't get any 'lower' than the Nurburgring, along comes Spa, a track where I held the 4th quickest time of all in this car, I was expecting to excel. The only thing I excelled in at this race was making a mess of things. In fairness, I think a lot of it had to do with lag and cars that seemed to be all over the track, making it difficult, if not impossible to really run a clean race, at least not for the first few laps. And to make matters worse, my camera conked out so I don't have any video footage. (Thank goodness). There were so many incidents and mishaps on the first 2-3 laps that I've honestly lost track who hit me or who I hit. But redemption came from a GREAT battle between L449KUX and I which lasted for nearly 5 laps, with multiple lead changes. The result of this were reduced lap times for both of us and I was unable to match my practice performance. But the enjoyment I got out of dicing things out with KUX made up for the first lap mayhem.

Results:
1) AlanG184 - 2:26.38 - 10 points + 1 FL
2) GTP_Hun - 2.27.77 - 8 points
3) turner_042 - 2:30.00 - 6 points
4) arvore - 2:30.98 - 5 points
5) L449KUX - 2:31.65 - 4 points
6) jjaisli - 2:30.48 - 3 points
7) DrSt01NeR - 2:31.13 - 2 points
8) GTP_bullie77 - 2:34.19
9) Ghost_Dice - 2:33.44
10) drivatar - 2:35.69
11) Ghost_Yelo - 2:33.73
12) Hairy-Dave - 2:39.49
13) frawe - RTD
14) turnupdaheat - DQ
Total Race Time: 22 min 31 seconds



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4) Race No 4 : Mont Tremblant - 15 Laps - Dry - Random Grid

Mont Tremblant is FINALLY the race that went down as it should have. I had good and consistent lap times and a great battle with turner_042 which lasted many laps, with both of us running similar times with just small mistakes or missteps from one of us allowing the other to gain or lose ground. What a race. And it was all going according to plan when 2 laps from the end, I suffered some screen stutter at the absolute worst possible moment--coming around the big right hand curve. :ouch: Talk about dumb, unfortunate luck. And then I was off. But honestly, things were so tight between the two of us, it could have gone either way and I'm more than happy with 3rd. It's with great regret that I have no video footage of this race as I would have particularly enjoyed re-watching this battle.

Results:
1) AlanG184 - 1:36.93 - 10 points + 1 FL
2) tuner_042 - 1:38.91 - 8 points
3) jjaisli - 1:38.61 - 6 points
4) GTP_Hun - 1:39.28 - 5 points
5) L449KUX - 1:40.94 - 4 points
6) arvore - 1:42.03 - 3 points
7) Ghost_Yelo - 1:41.05 - 2 points
8) drivatar - 1:44.82 - 1 point
9) GTP_bullie77 - 1:44.86
10) DrSt01NeR - RTD
11) Hairy-Dave - DQ *
12) Frawe - DQ
Total Race Time: 24 min 54 seconds.


* Hairy-Dave sent me a PM saying his game froze mid-race.
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Final Results:

Using the current FIA F1 points system, plus allowing an additional point for fastest lap, the winner is rather obvious.

1) AlanG184 - 44 points
2) turner_042 - 26 points
3) GTP_Hun - 22 points
4) jjaisli - 17 points
5) L449KUX - 13 points
6) turnupdaheat - 9 points
7) MHailwood - 8 points*
8) arvore - 8 points
9) GTP_bullie77 & Ghost_Yelo (TIE) - 5 points
11) DrSt01NeR - 2 points
12) drivatar - 1 point
13) Ghost_Dice
14) Hairy-Dave
15) RuiGT
16) frawe



Congratulations Alan, showing speed and consistency that nobody could match.

Once again, I hope everybody enjoyed themselves and was able to appreciate the 'spirit' of these events and the manner in which they are intended. I envision them to be more or less like real life historic events, where the thrill comes from the "chase to" and not necessarily the "order at" the finish line. With any luck, by the next event, Eutechnyx will have a patch for us and the ridiculous prediction code will make it easier to cope in larger lobbies.
 
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A very quick event review from me, I will write more tomorrow:

The bad - lag and careless driving combined

The good - well over 10 players in most races, topping at 14. Good overall in-lobby atmosphere, although some seem to transform when the racing begins.

Special mention - to Alan. Great driving in all tracks. I was about to say you don't make mistakes but it happens that I witnessed one ;)

Myself - Very happy. Lots of accidents, some bad luck, but ...

Nurburgring - 3rd behind Alan and MHailwood

Riviera - From last (13th, I think) to 6th in 13 laps. If I have time, tomorrow I will show you what it took to close in on /battle with / overtake / get away from 7 other guys. I think I did the 3rd best lap time, with a 1.55. Regardless of the result, I vote this one as My Best Race

Spa - 2nd behind Alan. Again, very rough start and first two laps. When the dust settled I think I was 6th (not sure), then it was a question of getting all guys ... except Alan, of course.

Mont Tremblant - Was battling at the front, stuck with Alan behind someone else (can't remember who) when Turner came, very impatient, and "cleared" me off of his way. As was my usual curse, there I went to the last places in the early laps. In this race, however, I didn't have the speed to recover to more than 4th place, behind Alan, Turner and Jeff. This one was probably My Worst Race.

... unless you want to take a look at what happened to me in the practise race at Homestead. If it wasn't for lag, I would suspect MHailwood wanted to have a go at me for some reason :sick: :crazy:

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PS - Yes, I have every race on film :sly: . Considering that almost all of my races were made "from back to front", you all have a good chance of watching your cars in all the clips (and you will be able to see Alan spinning on his own, I should charge tickets for that one :lol: ). Will try to publish them tomorrow night when I return home.
 
Mario--you FILMED it! That's Great. Er...ahh...well...:lol: Maybe. I really look forward to seeing the rest! Mine are still processing too. I'll add them in when I have a chance.
 
Sounds like fun - sort of! I had to pull out when the wind picked up unexpectedly this afternoon (the 20 Knot rule).

Man, looks like someone's got to get Alan a wheel!

My suggestion for somewhat less ambitious, but maybe more effective racing, would be to have a league system, or divide racers into a couple of pools, based on lap times. I think a maximum of 6 to 8 racers would make for fairer & closer racing. Drivers could then move up & down from one pool to the next depending on results.

I really enjoyed running some time trials today & I'm starting to tighten up my driving a bit. I was amazed to notice that, according to the Leaderboards, ChilledAnt has already managed to put in 242 hours! I guess I've got some catching up to do...

BTW: I discovered that I can't come up with a look-back view on my G25 with its broken left button (in FC I could use a button on the shifter). Might have to set up the GT3 RS wheel.
 
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Why has someone got to get me a wheel?

EDIT: I'll bypass my rhetoric and answer that!

I've said many times that I believe using a pad may make it easier to control. It definitely makes it easier to avoid completely losing control. But I don't believe it results in additional raw cornering speed/braking power/traction etc. Personally it's difficult to achieve an exact comparison without having my own wheel. I have no plan to get one at the moment; perhaps into the new year I may.

I've seen on a forum (possibly eutechnyx) on one occation a wheel user try out a pad, and then come back complaining that the pad is "3 or 4 seconds faster" or something. I take this issue quite seriously, so I'm sorry to be blunt about it - it's most likely that the pad lap was crap, and that the wheel lap was even "crapper". And then the talk goes around that pads are "a couple of seconds a lap faster" etc.

A better comparison is between a pad user and wheel user who have played in this game, and another game. My experience is between myself and Mario. We did quite a lot of races in Toca RD3, mostly on normal 'sim' handling which made for much closer racing (as opposed to more difficult 'pro-sim'). I feel I probably had an edge on the pace a lot of the time, although there was a lot of close racing (Mario - feel free to disagree if you have a different view!). In SCC, the handling is definitely more difficult than non-Prosim handling in Toca RD3, and I do remember Mario you were not too fond of the 'prosim'.

From what I've seen, when Mario can put enough practice into a particular track/car, he's very competitive and always at/near the top. I'm thinking all about Mugello Sports here! He did a...59.10 was it? I had to spend around 30 minutes trying to get near that, and couldn't even beat it that time (I managed it only on the next day with setup changes). Mario's time also surpassed MHailwood, which is no mean feat. MHailwood did go top again, but only by 0.15s or something (MHailwood's SI unit of lap improvement is normally the 'second'!). Anyway, my point is that a wheel lap has really mixed it with pad laps. Okay, myself and MHailwood may be up to 2 tenths faster, but it's a very competitive lap. Now lets say Mario switches to a pad (and had a few weeks to get use to the awkward feel etc). With absolutely no disrespect, the pad lap he does is not going to be "a couple of seconds faster" (I like quoting "nobody" :D); it would be, at best, 2 or 3 tenths faster, surpassing mine and MHailwood's laps.

I don't want to see any kind of divide and argument between users with this issue! I'm dying for someone to release a game with level playing for pads/wheels. But it's just I see this kind of thing: (reading a post on the Eutechnyx forum) - a wheel user did a lap on Spa (330 P4), describing it as a near perfect lap, and it was 5 seconds off the top. That would make it a 2:32 I think. How could a near perfect lap be 2:32? Mario/Jeff were below 2:30 (Mario actually did a brilliant 2:27.77!!). So with this kind of pad/wheel talk going around, new users pick it up and before they even know the turn-6 braking point, they're complaining about wheels being at a disadvantage!

Simcoe - You were mostly joking with your comment, so I don't mean to be going over the top! But the issue is relevant to this topic, given the results. To reiterate, I believe wheel users can get very close (if not match) the pace of the best-of pad users. But I absolutely do emphasise that it may be more difficult to control.
 
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First off would like to thank jjaisli for keeping all the racing together, for hosting and for being so understanding with every one struggling to get into the lobby. I myself had a fail at first attempt, but got a new invite and was in for the rest of it.

Racing was super fun... here and there a lil bumping and grinding but never serious
But race I hade was with Bullie on SPA .. I kept gaining and gaining.. Got to him at last .. And when I eventually got passed I lost it in the very next turn and he cal flying pass again.. LOL Very very nice racing from you dude .

I apologize for not staying to the very end .. but when I left after SPA it was 12:30am at my side . and had to get up at 4am for work . I did send jjaisli a message after racing to thank him for his affords .

Thx to every one that made the race and made it so much fun.
will deff race with any of you again .

Hope I didn&#8217;t get to much in the way ;)
 
Man what a night!!!

From our side here in SOuth Africa the races were smooth, but I must have been glitching on your guys side, cos sheesh I was knocked off the track alot.

Such fun though!!!!

JJ I think on that last race I was P6, If I remember correctly, I wrote it down but its at home now.
 
Alan, I think you should just come clean & admit that you've got an extra thumb. ;)

The wheel vs pad debate has been around for some time. I'm not sure about GT5P, because the GT online community is so huge it's hard to know, but within the tiny circle of FC regulars it was fairly easy to know who was who, & who was using a pad or a wheel. I think it's fair to say that while there were fast wheel users, the absolute fastest drivers were pad users. (While jjaisli, Hun & myself were able to get a few top 10 places on the leaderboards, it was only by choosing some crappy car that nobody else had any interest in driving. :dopey:)

I think the fastest known wheel user was Piotrb, who was very competitive with SEGEL (who doesn't seem to be playing SCC ?) & MHAILWOOD (then known by his alter, but equally intimidating ego: sarinnen69). I would say PiotrB was, depending on the track/car, about 1/2 second/lap to 1 second/lap faster than anything the rest of us could squeeze out. But I still think PiotrB was a little off the pace of the fastest pad users. It would be really interesting to see how the fastest GTPlanet Prologue wheel users like Timpaqq & Rudi Raser would do at SCC.

Anyway, if you ever get bored with beating the pants off everyone else, pick up a wheel & you can start from scratch again, because regardless of whether the pad or the wheel is faster, switching from one to the other is definitely a real challenge. ;) Of course, there's always the cautionary tale of RS Racer, a skilled pad user who excitedly brought a new wheel home, struggled with it for weeks, had a nervous breakdown, & ended up on the streets for a few months. :crazy:
 
hi JJ
To bad I had to miss this event,but lately you put your event on the sundays where i
have to work.Maby I could have been there for the first hour,but when I enter an event
I like to finish it too.But great to hear that despite the usual problems you had a good time.
 
Jeff, this completes your MT results:

7th - Ghost_Yelo - 1:41:05
8th - Drivatar - 1:44:82
9th - GTP_bullie77 - 1:44:86
10th - DrSt01NeR - RTD
11th - Hairy-Dave - DQ
12th - frawe - DQ

And now, my Nurburgring video. It's only the first part of the race, with the 1st corner incident from which I "survived" in 9th, and up until I got to 3rd position. The rest of the race, viewed from my car, is uninteresting, I was alone until the end, losing time for the MHailwood/Alan duo at the front, and gaining time on 3rd place (turnupdaheat).

You will see that I gave an unfortunate bump to Hairy-Dave.. There was another car between us and when he swerved to avoid Dave, I was already on his bumper, there was nothing I could do.

Anyway, you will also notice that I slowed down to give the position back to Dave until it became apparent he wasn't willing to take it (don't know why, he had that right).

Enjoy (the director of this video is my son, he wants me to write that this is the reason why the video is perfect :sly: )

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Thanks for the updated times Mario. This changes the order a little bit with Ghost_Yelo and GTP_bullie77 now tied for 9th place with 5 points each.

BTW, VERY interesting watching your video @ 1.08 it looks like I drove off the road. If you look at MY video @ 1.12 it clearly looks like I was pushed off. LOL This is a GREAT comparison to show you how shoddy the prediction code is. Look at the two and compare it--amazing.

Also, I'm glad the South African contingent enjoyed themselves (although of course sorry Chilledant had a problem getting into the lobby--very unfortunate). And I'm sorry it was so late for you guys. As somebody who also gets up at the crack of dawn for work, I feel your pain. It's just tough finding a time that really works for everybody. Oh, and I apologize to Ghost Yelo as I see from the video I rear ended him at Riviera (there was some lag, he was fighting it out side by side with (Turnupdaheat?) and suddenly BOOM he was right in front of me. And then I think I hit turnupdaheat as well. I didn't wait (maybe I should have) but it certainly wasn't an intentional hit. At any rate, good to have you guys on board.
 
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Ah wicked thanks for the updated positions Hun. Very cool watching you drive. These videos are great, its awesome to see the different perspectives of the same race!

Can't wait for the next Race!!
 
Hi guys

First of all thanks for the driving yesterday. I had a very good time driving you guys, at least until half the event. Afterwards, this were a little bit different.

Taking the chance of being misunderstanded here, specially considering I'm no such of a good driver, I have to say clearly that in my opinion, although all the lag issues which are a fact, there are some drivers who do take advantage of that to practice unclean racing. It is my opinion.

The Mont Tremblant race, the 1st lap was disgracefull. I've been tossed off track about 3/4 times on the first half of the lap. Honestly I was this close of quitting.

I'll say no names but PLEASE EVERYONE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A GAME FOR US TO ENJOY, WHERE WINNING ISN'T DEFINETIVELY THE MOST IMPORTANT! AND IF IT IS, PLEASE ADVISE ME, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WRONG AND IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER SORT EVENTS.

I'm here to race and enjoy. And my notion of that is what happen, as example, for 3 laps yesterday with Ghost_Dice for... 8th position!
 
Thanks for the updated times Mario. This changes the order a little bit with Ghost_Yelo and GTP_bullie77 now tied for 9th place with 5 points each.

BTW, VERY interesting watching your video @ 1.08 it looks like I drove off the road. If you look at MY video @ 1.12 it clearly looks like I was pushed off. LOL This is a GREAT comparison to show you how shoddy the prediction code is. Look at the two and compare it--amazing.

No problem about the times. Btw, I noticed you don't have 7th and 8th at Homestead. They were, respectively, L449KUX (1:24:55) and drivatar (1:27:45).

And yes, it's amazing the difference between our two videos. I remember you going off at that time and thinking "...keep focused, that will happen to you also if you don't keep focused..." :dopey:

I really hope they solve this ...

Ah wicked thanks for the updated positions Hun. Very cool watching you drive. These videos are great, its awesome to see the different perspectives of the same race!

Can't wait for the next Race!!


Ah, Ghost_Yelo, I think you will find my Riviera movie the most interesting of them all. You are a leading actor in it! :sly:


EDIT - I hope to publish the remaining videos tonight, but I'm not sure I can do it (son's birthday today, so dinner will be a bit longer and more family devoted, can't just eat fast-run to the computer ;) )
 
First kudos to jjaisli for organizing and hosting this event.

Here's a report from the slow end of the field:

Homestead: Finished 8.
Can't remember anything special

Nürburgring: Finished 12.
I could get quite well through the big crash in Turn 1. Afterwards by my own mistakes and slow speed nearly everybody passed me. I had some fight with arvore who pushed me out at the chicane (he apologized) but he would have passed me anyway. Having driven a lot on this track I expected a bit more.

Riviera: Finished 12. again
A nightmare.
That's the right time to say something about my setup. I'm driving using the X and [] buttons. The triggers of the PS3 controller are all but ergonomic. Using them for longer times is quite exhausting to me. So I kept using the classic setup. Accelerating is quite doable, but braking without ABS is very difficult and I'm not used to. Combined with the wet track it was a horror. 15 laps let you think about giving up...
I was playing on a mediocre 4:3 CRT TV in SD. No 4:3 support in SCC means black bars. So it's a lot harder to see how the track goes and recognize the braking points than on a modern setup.
Combined with only few practice on this track the result was to expect.
Once I spun when someone was lapping me - I hope it didn't cause too much trouble.

Spa: Finished 10.
Another track that I've driven a lot but once again it didn't work out very well.
After a few laps there was a huge crash I profited a lot from but immediately afterwards things turned over at turn 11. I was hit many times by others, ended up at the end and lost a lot of time. Managed to get back to 10th place.

Mont Tremblant: Finished 8.
There I had a nice fight with GTP_bullie77. Everyone did mistakes but at the end I could finish some seconds ahead. Finally 1 point scored :).

At the end looking at the ingame standings I would have finished 7. with 50 points but of course we were using a different points system.

Altogether it was a very demanding event, but a lot of fun too. I just felt a bit lost with my slow times. I hope I wasn't a too big obstacle for the fast drivers.
It was suggested to split the field into fast and slow drivers. I don't think this should be done.. At the end only 9 drivers were active and a big plus of these events is the big starting field.
 
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Hi guys

First of all thanks for the driving yesterday. I had a very good time driving you guys, at least until half the event. Afterwards, this were a little bit different.

Taking the chance of being misunderstanded here, specially considering I'm no such of a good driver, I have to say clearly that in my opinion, although all the lag issues which are a fact, there are some drivers who do take advantage of that to practice unclean racing. It is my opinion.

The Mont Tremblant race, the 1st lap was disgracefull. I've been tossed off track about 3/4 times on the first half of the lap. Honestly I was this close of quitting.

I'll say no names but PLEASE EVERYONE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A GAME FOR US TO ENJOY, WHERE WINNING ISN'T DEFINETIVELY THE MOST IMPORTANT! AND IF IT IS, PLEASE ADVISE ME, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WRONG AND IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER SORT EVENTS.

I'm here to race and enjoy. And my notion of that is what happen, as example, for 3 laps yesterday with Ghost_Dice for... 8th position!

Dude .. i feel what you saying .. some cases last night was a real "pounding" event . but watching the vids i saw that some do suffer from real lag issues ( on my side most was very smooth and could not really see an issue ) but like i said "Some" of the cases can be exused .. others are just rude driving .. but in the end still had loads of fun

On that 3 laps i was behind you .. it seems that you have this incredable
skill to make that ferrari 3 times wider then it actualy is ... at some point i was like " i this guy never gona crash out or run wide " .. LOL .. then when you finaly did i saw and gap .. floored it to get by, witch i did .. but the mass power on the rear got me , how can we say .. a lil loose . turning into the next left hander . it feld like i hit a oil spot and just turnd the car right round .. saw you coming up and taking back you poss like it was nothing .

After that you had a good gap . witch i haced off lap after lap .. but lil mistakes the gap would just avrage the same .. till we hit the last lap .. i saw you hade about a 5 sec gap .. and i had a 24 sec clear behind me .. so just "tuke it home" .. and kept on the track .

Was an short, but Fantastic race we han .. and i guess the better driver tuke the well deserved win !!!

Real nice driving from you dude .
 
Hi guys

First of all thanks for the driving yesterday. I had a very good time driving you guys, at least until half the event. Afterwards, this were a little bit different.

Taking the chance of being misunderstanded here, specially considering I'm no such of a good driver, I have to say clearly that in my opinion, although all the lag issues which are a fact, there are some drivers who do take advantage of that to practice unclean racing. It is my opinion.

The Mont Tremblant race, the 1st lap was disgracefull. I've been tossed off track about 3/4 times on the first half of the lap. Honestly I was this close of quitting.

I'll say no names but PLEASE EVERYONE KEEP IN MIND THIS IS A GAME FOR US TO ENJOY, WHERE WINNING ISN'T DEFINETIVELY THE MOST IMPORTANT! AND IF IT IS, PLEASE ADVISE ME, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN WRONG AND IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR ME TO LOOK FOR OTHER SORT EVENTS.

I'm here to race and enjoy. And my notion of that is what happen, as example, for 3 laps yesterday with Ghost_Dice for... 8th position!

There sure was alot of bumping going on. I for one was taken out in straight lines, corners... you name it hehe. But there is really no way to know the truth. I really agree with everyone in that the lag and glitches are the culprit here.

And you're absolutely right in that racing for 8th position and 3rd position are just as much fun!

I really tried hard not to bump anyone last night and bar one of two late brakes I think I was pretty clean last night. I always try and give the guy in front a bit of space. From my perspective everyone is really smooth. Do I appear to glitch/lag alot from your guys view?
 
Oh, and I apologize to Ghost Yelo as I see from the video I rear ended him at Riviera (there was some lag, he was fighting it out side by side with (Turnupdaheat?) and suddenly BOOM he was right in front of me. And then I think I hit turnupdaheat as well. I didn't wait (maybe I should have) but it certainly wasn't an intentional hit.guys on board.

It's all good, once again that is the lag/glitching coming into effect. I think we get it worse thanks to our super cool connections here. (/sarcasm)

I do appologise if the South African guys created some warping obsticals :P
 
It's all good, once again that is the lag/glitching coming into effect. I think we get it worse thanks to our super cool connections here. (/sarcasm)

I do appologise if the South African guys created some warping obsticals :P



ahhahahah @ "warping obsticals" you crack me up sometimes i tell you .

The sad think is .. we running the best connection money can buy in South africa ...

A 4MB line here is like gold .. not even every one can/is alowed to use it .

Local games the speeds are remarkable .. and on my side i must say it was very smooth .. but dont know how we looked like on that side .
 
coming late for me guys made me the weakest link we all know. i think the problem was myself and avore our brother turnup. its weard sometimes derik and i can connect other time not. i was running at about 1 meg per second last night still not good enough. myself and jj are really on eutechnyx case on there forums thread in bugs compromised online racing. but seem to get no reply. the thing that makes avore cross is we raced loads in fc but cant in scc. i have at lease raced derik but only when the server allows us to.. i hoped for at least a top 4 finsh but was not to be. thanx chilledant
 
On that 3 laps i was behind you .. it seems that you have this incredable
skill to make that ferrari 3 times wider then it actualy is ... at some point i was like " i this guy never gona crash out or run wide " .. LOL .. then when you finaly did i saw and gap .. floored it to get by, witch i did .. but the mass power on the rear got me , how can we say .. a lil loose . turning into the next left hander . it feld like i hit a oil spot and just turnd the car right round .. saw you coming up and taking back you poss like it was nothing .

After that you had a good gap . witch i haced off lap after lap .. but lil mistakes the gap would just avrage the same .. till we hit the last lap .. i saw you hade about a 5 sec gap .. and i had a 24 sec clear behind me .. so just "tuke it home" .. and kept on the track .

Was an short, but Fantastic race we han .. and i guess the better driver tuke the well deserved win !!!

Real nice driving from you dude .

Nice driving from you to. If it wasn't for that mistake you mentioned you did, this would've ended only on the finish line, with unpredictable result. the last two corners at Spa (Bus stop & hairpin) can be crucial (a misjudge of braking point under pressure is all it needs to ruin a race).

@Drivatar: We had an interesting battle for 8th position also. After coming back to pace after that mayhem called 1st lap, I did get excited chasing you, and we in fact swap positions a couple of times. A stupid mistake of mine led me to gravel trap and I'd never find my pace back again. And then I started being overlapped.

Regarding overlap: I know that you guys should have priority passing while overlapping slower drivers BUT there are limits. Someone who was overlapping me toss me out of track because he tried to overlap right on the tight first left turn of the track (Mont Tremblant)! If I have a blue flag on the screen, rest assured I WILL give you passage at first opportunity, which in that situation would've be coming out of the race line AFTER that tight turn (I only get the blue flag on screen entering the slow right turn immediatelly before that left). I must give passage BUT THAT NOT MEANS I need to ruin my lap because of it.
 
Well, I think that once everyone races together more and more then they learn each other... for example. Coming up behind a South African driver means, be careful he's prolly not where you think he is haha.

I joke, I really had fun last night!!
 
Bit of a hectic night! First of all the ramdom starts didn't work out in my favour and I began each race in 10th or 11th place. Danger lurked everywhere!

At Nurburgring I got a decent start but it all went wrong at the tight first bend. A couple of guys went wide and things were opening up for me but I took a heavy knock when MHailwood hit me heavily from behind. This spun me 180 degrees (you can see me facing the wrong way in Jeff's video). Anyway, I eventually got going again picked my way through the pack. I was up to 8th position coming into the 3rd lap with Jeff, Turner and Arvore in a group together in front me. All of a sudden I felt like Moses must have done because all 3 cars went wide and cleared a path for me to nip through! Bullie was up ahead in 4th and I caught and passed him on lap 4 when he made a mistake and received a penalty at the chicane. At this stage Mario was about 15 seconds up the road ahead and we ran pretty much the same pace so there was no change up to the end of the race.

The start at Riviera was as messy as I suspected it would be. Again, starting from the back meant there were a few obstacles to avoid with cars spinning and bouncing off barriers all around. I made my way up to 5th and Jeff was a few seconds behind. I was struggling and making a few mistakes which allowed Jeff close in and by lap 9 he was just behind me coming into the first of the hairpin bends. I was looking forward to seeing the video evidence because from my pov Jeff's car tapped me from behind and into the barrier but as he didn't slow to let me pass again I presumed he didn't see it that way!
Anyway, got going again and Mario was over 20 seconds behind me but while I was driving sloppily he drove very consistantly and reduced the gap to something like 6 seconds at the end. Can't say I enjoyed the experience!

After all that tip-toeing around I was really looking forward to stretching my legs with proper racing on two of my favourite tracks but, for me, this was where it was all going to go completly wrong. I was disappointed to find myself starting at the back of the grid again but I took it steady at the start and passed a few cars which went off at Eau Rouge. I got a good run through and had had plenty of momentum up the Kemmel straight which allowed me pass 3 or 4 cars. Then coming into Les Combes more cars went off and I suddenly found myself in 3rd position position behind Hairy-Dave and Alan. "Game on" says I to myself!

Alan was clearly quicker than Dave but was finding it difficult to get a clean pass and this allowed me to close in. Dave went wide at Stavelot and this opened the door for Alan and myself to go through. From there I got a good run and closed in on Alan through the quick section around Blanchimont up to the Bus Stop chicane. I was conscious that I was carrying extra speed from draughting Alan so I braked earlier than usual but still ended up very close to Alan's rear end (pardon the expression!). Alan, from my perspective, the cars did not touch but as you went straight through the penalty zone I suspected that was not what you experienced so I slowed to let you rejoin the track in front of me. I than tucked in behind on the run up to the La Source hairpin but, unfortunately, we had a major coming together coming up to the braking area. I clearly hit Alan from behind so I was, obviously, responsible but I found it strange because his car seemed to stop well before the expected braking point and rather than the progressive slowing down you would expect his car pulled up very abruptly. Either way, whether it was something like lag or that I completely misjudged, I apologise!

I wanted to let Alan go through again but I wasn't sure where was the best place to do so. I felt that if I did so on the start/finish line I might end up going slower than usual through Eau Rouge and this could, potentially, cause a problem for cars coming behind me. I decided to let him through on the Kemmel straight but as Alan pointed out I should have kept over to the left hand side of the track and rather than letting him through I ended up causing him to slam into the back of me. F___ing disaster! I pulled over again (up at Les Combes) and then on the following lap I had a coming together with Jeff when we were going up the Kemmel straight and I went on to the grass.

All very frustrating and then, to cap it all, my son had a major upset (over something pretty trivial) and I had to go and sort it so it was time to call it a night.
 
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First I want to say thanks to Jeff for organizing this event and to the others who participated.
Unfortunately I could only join for the last two races (Spa, Mont Tremblant). This time I had many problems I have never experienced before.
During the loading screen for Spa I suddenly exited the game and was on the main menu on my ps3. So the race was over before it starts (very bad).
At Mont Tremblant I had massive frame stutters in every round on different locations on the track which made driving nearly impossible for me. When your input doesnt match with the screen it is not funny. This was my worst race ever in SCC. As I saw to be overlapped I decided to choose a safe place to stop and let you all go because I didnt want to mess up your position battles.
 
I was struggling and making a few mistakes which allowed Jeff close in and by lap 9 he was just behind me coming into the first of the hairpin bends. I was looking forward to seeing the video evidence because from my pov Jeff's car tapped me from behind and into the barrier but as he didn't slow to let me pass again I presumed he didn't see it that way!

I'm not sure if we are talking here about the same situation, but there was an occasion when we were all three together (you, me and Jeff, by that order). At the end of the starting/finish straight, I brake late and hit you hard in the back, causing you to hit the barriers. I slowed down and did not pass you and waited until you gain speed again to chase you. In the meanwhile, while this 'waiting' occured Jeff, who was behind me and had nothing to do with it, passed us both.
 
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