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Welcome!

By making this thread I'm finally fulfilling the primary objective of my joining gtplanet in the first place, that is, sharing my creations along with my (as far as I'm aware) unique method of tuning.

First off I'd like to point out that whilst my tunes invariably make the cars faster, they aren't intended to produce the quickest lap times for their PP range or anything like that. Quite frankly I don't care about PP.

SCER stands for 'Subtle Customization, Exacting Refinement' and reflects the fact that I like to tune cars by subtly enhancing and improving the vision of the manufacturer to the nth degree whilst staying within production car parameters. A bit like an in-house tuner, making S-types of S-types, if that makes sense.


Expect to see:


Moderate spring rate adjustments, moderate camber and toe angle adjustments, upgraded performance parts, upgraded brakes, moderate weight reductions and moderate weight distribution adjustments.

Don't expect to see:

Stiffened dampers or anti-roll bars, aftermarket transmission packages (even though adjusting gear ratios wouldn't in itself be unrealistic, the gearbox whine shatters the production car illusion), race performance parts and aftermarket aerodynamic parts.

If they don't fit neatly into the PP categories and they aren't designed to set the
fastest lap times possible, what's the point?


I love the feel of production cars (the liveliness of the chassis, the body roll, all the inefficient movement that makes the car feel far more like a living thing than most dead-flat, point-and-shoot race cars) and I love cruising in GT6. I also like to tweak and fine-tune cars to give them greater balance and eagerness to attack corners whilst maintaining the feel of a road car, and this thread is for me to share my best attempts.

If you couldn't be bothered to read the above:

I like to tweak cars subtly to make them a bit faster and a bit better to drive, whilst retaining the feel, sound and appearance of a road car. A bit like making S-type versions of base cars.

So far:

Lotus Elise Sport 190
Nissan GT-R NISMO '15
Renault Sport Clio Williams
Honda Fit RS R
Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano HGTE
Alfa Romeo MiTo Altolinea

All feedback is greatly appreciated!
 
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Without further ado:

Nissan GT-R NISMO '15

(Nissan GT-R NISMO '14)

591bhp, 1720kgs, 574pp, WD 49:51


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The Nissan GT-R NISMO '14 taken to the nth degree, thanks to upgraded brakes, a slightly lower chassis, stiffened rear springs, a revised limited slip differential, repositioning of various systems and components within the car to achieve a marginally better weight distribution, and a whole host of other subtle refinements.

Racing brake kit
Fully Customisable Suspension
Triple-plate clutch kit
Carbon propeller shaft
Torque-Distributing Centre Differential
Fuly Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential
Weight Reduction Stage 1

Suspension:
F R
Height:
93 98
Spring Rates:
16.67 14.72
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
2.1 1.6
Toe Angle:
-0.05 -0.10

Brakes:
F R
5 5

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
8 7
Accel.:
27 22
Braking:
8 15

Centre Differential:
F R
Distribution:
31 69

Ballast:
190kg
Position:
+25%
(WD: 49:51)

The update is completed by the addition of lightweight RAYS
VOLK TE37s in Schwarz (from the Mercedes 300SL, it has a slightly
matte finish which looks great for black rims).
 
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Without further ado:

Nissan GT-R NISMO ''15'


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The Nissan GT-R NISMO '14 taken to the nth degree, thanks to upgraded brakes, a slightly lower chassis, stiffened rear springs, a revised limited slip differential, repositioning of various systems and components within the car to achieve a marginally better weight distribution, and a whole host of other subtle adjustments.

Racing brake kit
Fully Customisable Suspension
Triple-plate clutch kit
Carbon propeller shaft
Torque-Distributing Centre Differential
Fuly Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential
Weight Reduction Stage 1

Suspension:
F R
Height:
93 98
Spring Rates:
16.67 14.72
Camber:
2.1 1.6
Toe Angle:
-0.05 -0.10

Brakes:
F R
5 5

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
8 7
Accel.:
27 22
Braking:
8 15

Centre Differential:
F R
Distribution:
31 69

Ballast:
190kg
Position:
+25%

The enhancement is completed with the addition of lightweight RAYS VOLK TE37s in Schwarz (from the Mercedes 300SL, it has a slightly matte finish which looks great for black rims).
I won't question your methods regarding damper/ARB settings but it might be worth noting whether you have them set to 1 as they are on cars with stock suspension or 3 as they default to when custom suspension is applied. 👍
 
I won't question your methods regarding damper/ARB settings but it might be worth noting whether you have them set to 1 as they are on cars with stock suspension or 3 as they default to when custom suspension is applied. 👍

Good point, I'm so used to reverting them back to 1 that I didn't think to add them at all. I'll include them in all of my setups just so it isn't jarring to people who are used to seeing them in setup sheets.
 
Good point, I'm so used to reverting them back to 1 that I didn't think to add them at all. I'll include them in all of my setups just so it isn't jarring to people who are used to seeing them in setup sheets.
Easily forgotten if you have a specific methodology, the more detail you include the easier it is for others to recreate your tunes and the less headaches in the long run :lol:

Getting involved with the FITT contests is a good way of getting your name out there and getting impressions on your tunes. Contests are split into both performance and drivers choice so all styles of tuning are catered for whether it be knife edge time attack cars or those more focussed on the driving experience.

Best of luck with your garage :gtpflag:
 
Easily forgotten if you have a specific methodology, the more detail you include the easier it is for others to recreate your tunes and the less headaches in the long run :lol:

Getting involved with the FITT contests is a good way of getting your name out there and getting impressions on your tunes. Contests are split into both performance and drivers choice so all styles of tuning are catered for whether it be knife edge time attack cars or those more focussed on the driving experience.

Best of luck with your garage :gtpflag:

Up until this point I'd generally avoided the FITT contests because I assumed that they were all about absolute speed, but I'll definitely check them out.

And thanks a bunch, look forward to finding many unusual choices and unexpected surprises in this thread :)
 
Up until this point I'd generally avoided the FITT contests because I assumed that they were all about absolute speed, but I'll definitely check them out.

And thanks a bunch, look forward to finding many unusual choices and unexpected surprises in this thread :)
Not at all, all comers are welcome and its a great group of people. Speed does count but its not the be all and end all, in the last one I gave an RX7 a 9/10 because it felt exactly like a R35 Skyline and I liked how different it was to the rest of the entries :lol:

The next one is going up soon apparently so be sure to have a look and get involved if you're up for it, if you don't fancy tuning then there is always room for more test drivers 👍
 
Looking forward to more tunes. 👍

And I second the FITT idea. I'm after the DC (drivers choice) points more than simply outright speed.

And... listing a tuned cars specs (PP, HP, Torque, Weight) help to assure someone using your tunes that they've done so correctly. If you list HP at 425 and the user has 410, its obvious he missed something, instead of feeling like the tune is lacking.

Best of luck. :cheers:
 
The return of a legend:

Lotus Elise 'Sport 190'

(Lotus Elise '11)


192bhp, 868kgs, 460pp, WD 40:60, Comfort Softs

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yes, that is a boost gauge...

An uncharacteristically comprehensive upgrade, the Lotus Elise Sport 190 delivers a whopping 50% increase in power over the standard model, thanks to an ECU remap, a redesigned cold air intake and a turbocharger designed to enhance the car's smooth power band. A sportier exhaust pipe and isometric exhaust manifold also provide a raspier exhaust note along with greater engine response. To cope with the dramatic change in power output the limited-slip differential has been re-optimized and the suspension has been made around 10% stiffer for sharper, more performance-focused handling, and despite the wealth of upgrades made, the Elise Sport 190 actually weighs 8kgs less than the standard model, and is stiffer thanks to the addition of a carbon fibre roof to replace the fabric top.


Fully Customisable Suspension
Twin-plate clutch kit
Fuly Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential
Sports Computer
Sports Exhaust
Isometric Exhaust manifold
Sports Catalytic Converter
Intake Tuning
Low RPM Range Turbo
Weight Reduction Stage 1
GT Auto 'Other' Part A (metal roof)

Suspension:
F R
Height:
135 135
Spring Rates:
6.12 7.74
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
0.8 1.2
Toe Angle:
0.00 0.02

Brakes:
F R
5 5

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
- 8
Accel.:
- 25
Braking:
- 15

Ballast:
54kg
Position:
+2%
(WD: 40:60)

A set of lightweight OZ Racing Superforgiatas and a boost
gauge complete the performance package.


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Looking forward to more tunes. 👍

And I second the FITT idea. I'm after the DC (drivers choice) points more than simply outright speed.

And... listing a tuned cars specs (PP, HP, Torque, Weight) help to assure someone using your tunes that they've done so correctly. If you list HP at 425 and the user has 410, its obvious he missed something, instead of feeling like the tune is lacking.

Best of luck. :cheers:

A sincere thank you for the tip :)
 
Thanks for your effort in this garage. I am also one that likes tuning to improve upon the cars natural characteristics for driving enjoyment over all out lap time tuning. Crazy tuning can churn super fast hot laps but often numb the characteristic of the car.
 
Another legend returns:

Renault Sport Clio Williams

(Renault Sport Clio R.S. '11)

207bhp, 1160kgs, 414pp, WD 52:48,

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The midnight blue body and gold wheels herald the return of the Renault Clio Williams, after a fifteen year absence. As with the original, adjustments have been made with sharper handling and greater driving feel, as well as blistering pace, in mind. Despite gaining only 8bhp over the Clio R.S. on which it's based, the isometric exhaust manifold and upgraded clutch still deliver a noticeable improvement in engine response, but the Williams moniker can be felt most clearly through the suspension. A subtle drop in height along with painstakingly adjusted and refined camber, spring rate and toe angle settings result in vastly improved cornering speed and balance, and markedly reduce the car's understeer. Add to the mix a 70kg drop in weight, a high performance brake kit and an aggressive LSD setup, and the result is a well-rounded, eminently capable sports car. A worthy member of the Williams motorsport family.


Fully Customisable Suspension
Racing Brake Kit
Twin-plate clutch kit
Fuly Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential
Isometric Exhaust manifold
Weight Reduction Stage 2

Suspension:
F R
Height:
73 108
Spring Rates:
5.95 6.45
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
1.3 0.9
Toe Angle:
0.00 -0.25

Brakes:
F R
6 6

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
5 -
Accel.:
15 -
Braking:
10 -

Ballast:
57kg
Position:
0%
(WD: 52:48)

A good metallic dark blue, along with GT-Ab06's in Riverside Gold Metallic
(Chevrolet Corvette C3 '69) complete the revamp.


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I'll probably be producing one or two cars per week for the next few weeks. Please please please give them a go and give me any feedback you can!
 
I took your Lots Elise Sport 190 '13 for a spin online at Circuito de LA Sierra. A few things came to mind.

1) It's a very well balanced tune. It's ridiculously easy to catch slides. The car has loads of stability and is very predictable.

2) The flat floors is holding back the acceleration, which isn't helped by...

3) The stock gearbox. I understand your reasoning, I really do. But this car might be competitive if you had an alternate custom gearbox setting available. On Sierra, a track with several high speed sections I never used sixth gear and barely touched 5th. Having an ACGS would allow users to enjoy the car while cruising, then go into an online room and switch to "high speed mode."

2.1) edit: the flat floors is unbalancing the stability vs power in this cars performance. The down force at almost all speeds is hiding a lot of the character of the car.

4) More information about the car would be helpful. Examples:
A - weight distribution. Listing this next to the cars weight, or even better, next to the Ballast settings would be nice and help assure users that they're setting the car up correctly.
B - the base cars name. Renaming a car because of a tune is fine, but it took me 5 minutes to verify that I had the correct base car before I could begin tuning.
C - what track was the car tuned for. Listing that in the OP is nice, but having it with the tune is better.
D - comments on driving the car. Should I expect understeer on entry, oversteer on exit? Does BLOR help or hinder entry rotation? Does it take a gentle throttle control with extra smooth steering inputs or is it point and shoot?
E - what tyres is the car tunes for? I assumed for the Elise that it was meant to be driven on Comfort Sorts and those were plenty sticky, perhaps even too much for the power/stability.

Just some thoughts. I'd communicate better but I'm exhausted after a long hot day of rallycross.

All in all a very good tune. 👍
 
Up until this point I'd generally avoided the FITT contests because I assumed that they were all about absolute speed, but I'll definitely check them out.

And thanks a bunch, look forward to finding many unusual choices and unexpected surprises in this thread :)
Both @DolHaus and @Ronald6 are right, the FITT events are about speed and refinement, with points being awarded for driveability and pace. I don't think I've ever won an accolade for speed, for me it's all about the DC and the fun of taking part.

Reading through your OP, I think you should have a look at the FITT Ford Challenges by MCH, the Ford Focus part seems like it fits nicely with your ethos toward tuning, close-ratio gearboxes, CS tyres and low PP 👍

Good luck with the shop :cheers:


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I took your Lots Elise Sport 190 '13 for a spin online at Circuito de LA Sierra. A few things came to mind.

1) It's a very well balanced tune. It's ridiculously easy to catch slides. The car has loads of stability and is very predictable.

2) The flat floors is holding back the acceleration, which isn't helped by...

3) The stock gearbox. I understand your reasoning, I really do. But this car might be competitive if you had an alternate custom gearbox setting available. On Sierra, a track with several high speed sections I never used sixth gear and barely touched 5th. Having an ACGS would allow users to enjoy the car while cruising, then go into an online room and switch to "high speed mode."

2.1) edit: the flat floors is unbalancing the stability vs power in this cars performance. The down force at almost all speeds is hiding a lot of the character of the car.

4) More information about the car would be helpful. Examples:
A - weight distribution. Listing this next to the cars weight, or even better, next to the Ballast settings would be nice and help assure users that they're setting the car up correctly.
B - the base cars name. Renaming a car because of a tune is fine, but it took me 5 minutes to verify that I had the correct base car before I could begin tuning.
C - what track was the car tuned for. Listing that in the OP is nice, but having it with the tune is better.
D - comments on driving the car. Should I expect understeer on entry, oversteer on exit? Does BLOR help or hinder entry rotation? Does it take a gentle throttle control with extra smooth steering inputs or is it point and shoot?
E - what tyres is the car tunes for? I assumed for the Elise that it was meant to be driven on Comfort Sorts and those were plenty sticky, perhaps even too much for the power/stability.

Just some thoughts. I'd communicate better but I'm exhausted after a long hot day of rallycross.

All in all a very good tune. 👍

First off, a massive thanks for giving the car a go!

Regarding your feedback to the general presentation of information on the tune posts, I've taken your suggestions on board, implemented some of them, and will implement more of them over the coming days.

Regarding the Elise, I completely agree that it doesn't have enough straight line speed. After increasing the power output by 50% and smoothing out the power curve I expected to feel a real turn of pace down the straights, which it still doesn't have. I'll probably experiment with the diffuser removed when I go over it, although it's worth bearing in mind that despite the relatively light weight it's engine still produces less than 200bhp, and the main effect of the turbo is felt in the low to mid range. Ultimately though I do agree that it should be faster so I'll definitely work on that.

As for the gearbox, I'll probably put forward a custom gearbox setting for the Elise as a special case if I don't ditch the diffuser, as with the diffuser installed the ratios simply don't match up to the cars performance. A moderate power boost may even be on the cards, to help liven things up and give those comfort softs some work to do.

Expect to see revisions made over the weekend along with some FITT event participation, and once again, thanks for giving it a go 👍
 
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Lotus Elise tune amended for better straight line performance, brand new tune coming in some time this evening.
 
Honda Fit RS R

(Honda Fit RS '10)

168bhp, 1050kgs, 398pp, WD 60:40,

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As the name suggests, a sporty Fit, but more so, with significant improvements made to the engine, suspension and drivetrain. Very well balanced, thanks to the upgraded LSD there's very little understeer to speak of and the stiffened springs mean that there's not much body roll either. Much, much quicker on straights thanks to the extra 51bhp, nearly 50% of the Fit RS's original output, combine that with genuinely sporty handling and the result is a very able all-rounder.


Fully Customisable Suspension
Racing Brake Kit
Twin-plate clutch kit
Fuly Customisable Mechanical Limited-Slip Differential
Sports Computer
Sports Exhaust
Catalytic Converter: Sports
Mid RPM Range Turbo Kit
Isometric Exhaust manifold
GT Auto Aero Kit - Type B
GT Auto Custom Wing - Type A

Suspension:
F R
Height:
120 1112
Spring Rates:
3.54 3.87
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
0.7 0.2
Toe Angle:
0.00 0.00

Brakes:
F R
6 6

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
10 -
Accel.:
32 -
Braking:
12 -

Ballast:
0kg
Position:
0%
(WD: 60:40)

Finished off with Ferrari yellow calipers and Blitz BRW Profile 08s.

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  • Honda FIT RS R added
  • 2nd Lotus Elise pic replaced with diffuser removed.
  • Struggling to find the time to play GT, managing to nonetheless.
 

Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano HGTE

(Ferrari 599 '06)

613bhp, 1580kgs, 545pp, WD 47:53


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An very considered and absurdly accurate replica of Ferrari's HGTE performance package for the Ferrari 599, based on precise specifications cross-referenced from all over the internet. Stiffer springs, 17% stiffer at the front and 15% at the rear, a 10.1mm decrease in ride height, a slightly more raucous exhaust tone, subtle steering geometry refinements, and even faster gearshifts all come together to produce an even more compelling experience.

Note: ride height adjustments based on actual
car specifications, not GT6 specifications.


Fully Customisable Suspension
Racing Brake Kit
Twin-plate clutch kit
Catalytic converter: Sports
Power limiter: 97.5%​

Suspension:
F R
Height:
123 123
Spring Rates:
6.28 8.07
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
0.2 0.9
Toe Angle:
0.05 0.15

Brakes:
F R
5 6

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
- 5
Accel.:
- 20
Braking:
- 10

Centre Differential:
F R
Distribution:
47 53

Ballast:
0kg
Position:
-
(WD: 47:53)

Calipers painted in Giallo Sole complete the high-spec look

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Welcome to GTP and the garage world. I look forward to seeing you in a future FITT challenge one of the current ideas has a low PP street car class that would be right up your alley.
 
Refined Italian sports car to arrive in the next few hours, this thread progresses in fits and starts
 
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Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 Altolinea

(Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09)

193bhp, 1160kgs, 410pp, WD 63:37


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A high quality, refined, Italian sports car. Improvements to the engine designed to enhance it's character at high revs, a limited-slip differential and slightly stiffened springs for true sports car cornering, a newly developed TCT dual dry clutch for sharper gearshifts, body and calipers finished in exclusive Weinrot, OZ Wave wheels and carbon fibre trim for a quality appearance to match the drive.

Fully Customisable Suspension
Racing Brake Kit
Fully Customisable Mechanical LSD
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Computer
Twin-plate clutch kit
Catalytic converter: Sports
Custom Wing - Type B
Other - Part B

Power limiter: 100$​

Suspension:
F R
Height:
135 115
Spring Rates:
5.07 2.06
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
0.0 0.0
Toe Angle:
0.05 -0.20

Brakes:
F R
5 6

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
5 -
Accel.:
34 -
Braking:
5 -

Centre Differential:
F R
- -
Distribution:
63 37

Ballast:
15kg

Position:
0
(WD: 63:37)

Downforce
:
F R
0 5

At home parked outside a restaurant in Syracuse...

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...as well as attacking the Nurburgring at the limits of grip.

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Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 Altolinea

(Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09)

193bhp, 1160kgs, 410pp, WD 63:37


51spll.jpg


A high quality, refined, Italian sports car. Improvements to the engine designed to enhance it's character at high revs, a limited-slip differential and slightly stiffened springs for true sports car cornering, a newly developed TCT dual dry clutch for sharper gearshifts, body and calipers finished in exclusive Weinrot, OZ Wave wheels and carbon fibre trim for a quality appearance to match the drive.

Fully Customisable Suspension
Racing Brake Kit
Fully Customisable Mechanical LSD
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Computer
Twin-plate clutch kit
Catalytic converter: Sports
Custom Wing - Type B
Other - Part B

Power limiter: 100$​

Suspension:
F R
Height:
135 115
Spring Rates:
5.07 2.06
Dampers (Comp.):
1 1
Dampers (Ext.):
1 1
ARBs:
1 1
Camber:
0.0 0.0
Toe Angle:
0.05 -0.20

Brakes:
F R
5 6

Limited-Slip Differential:
F R
Initial:
5 -
Accel.:
34 -
Braking:
5 -

Centre Differential:
F R
- -
Distribution:
63 37

Ballast:
15kg

Position:
0
(WD: 63:37)

Downforce
:
F R
0 5

At home parked outside a restaurant in Syracuse...

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...as well as attacking the Nurburgring at the limits of grip.

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That's awesome, I am working on a MiTo, Alfa Red with the same rims! :lol:

Good luck with garage.👍
 
I love your idea for this garage 👍, and I will definitely try some as soon as time permits. I've been so busy I didn't even notice you started this, so WELCOME and glad you joined in. :cheers:

Thanks a bunch, I think you'd be the first to try any of them out :lol:
I'd recommend either the 599 or the GT-R Nismo, as the ones I'm happiest with.
 
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Can you please indicate what type of tires to use with the 599, also is there a particular track(s) you find it suited for? I'm taking it on a test run with stock specs to get the feel of it before changing it.👍
 
Can you please indicate what type of tires to use with the 599, also is there a particular track(s) you find it suited for? I'm taking it on a test run with stock specs to get the feel of it before changing it.👍

It's tuned to run on the stock tires, and it's not suited for any particular track, although it was mostly tuned on Trial Mountain and I was able to feel the changes made quite clearly there, particularly through the 1st half of the track. Looking forward to your feedback :)
 
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