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So....from that I get the the new WRX will be based on the Impreza, not the FT86 platform. So what's with the name calling when you're wrong?

Edit: And you might want to supply the "proof" to your dribble before you post next time.

Wow, reading comprehension glitch on your part, sir.
I was talking about myself using idiots as my sources without double checking where they get their stories from. This was the 88th time, exaggeration, I posted something without double checking the source.
I wasn't calling you an idiot, my AZBroski. I have no issues with people calling out my info or demanding sources as many times, it helps me learn something.
Don't worry, I forgive you.
 
SUBARU is going back to the WRC, correct?
So taking the impreza chassis, they'll make it shorter and beefier to utilize in the WRC cars. They'll probably take that chassis, when it's 50% of what the WRC chassis would be, and base the wrx/sti on that.

source: me
Full circle.
 
Just because it's built on the same chassis, doesn't mean it'll look like it.
Never said they would look alike.
SUBARU is going back to the WRC, correct?
So taking the impreza chassis, they'll make it shorter and beefier to utilize in the WRC cars. They'll probably take that chassis, when it's 50% of what the WRC chassis would be, and base the wrx/sti on that.

source: me
Full circle.

Did you ever read what I wrote? Other then you being a source where did you get that they will make the Impreza chassis shorter for the WRX/ STI?
 
This is all from an inside source, sounds like an engineer/designer.

http://www.motortrend.com/future/future_vehicles/1107_subaru_wrx_to_go_its_own_way/

Remember the drama around removing the "Skyline" prefix from the GT-R when the all-new supercar debuted in late 2007? Well, it looks like nomenclature surgery is about to happen again, only this time Subaru is doing the separating. That's right, the Impreza and famed WRX -- joined at the hip since 1992 -- are going their separate ways.

While the new production Impreza debuted at this year’s New York Auto Show, the next WRX will take a completely different path of development and will not surface until 2014. We know this because Subaru president Ikuo Mori said at a recent shareholder’s meeting: “We will launch a new sporty car in 2014.” The WRX is that car.

New Subaru WRX Illustration
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In the past week, we have learned from a source just how different the new WRX will be to the Impreza, employing totally different components.

This image, revealing how one artist sees the new WRX, depicts a new coupe model with a shorter wheelbase and heavy-duty bodywork It's important to note that this is just one vision of the new car, it may turn out to look much different. Our source also tells us Subaru bosses haven't decided if the WRX name will survive. For the time being, we'll refer to it as WRX.

“Apart from a few nuts and bolts, every part on the WRX will be unique. Even the engine and body. Obviously the WRX’s platform will be inherited from the new Impreza, but it will be radically modified and significantly shortened,” says our source.

From now on, the Impreza will be the company's core model, boasting a fuel-efficient, naturally aspirated 2.0-liter boxer engine. The car's wheelbase has been slightly lengthened, while the A-pillar has been brought forward to maximize interior space and comfort levels. At this point, it is unclear if Subaru will attempt an Impreza-based performance model to bridge the gap until the new WRX arrives, but it appears unlikely.

"Up until now, the Impreza and WRX used many common parts, which translated into entry-level Imprezas that were over-engineered," the source continued. The basic chassis and suspension had to employ certain parts needed for the WRX. That drove costs up, and many entry-level customers did not want or understand the significance of such high-tech parts, stresses our insider.

The WRX, on the other hand, will employ the very best from Subaru's parts bin, starting with an updated version of the company's rally-proven AWD system and a turbocharged boxer engine.

"The first thing you must understand about our all-new WRX is that we have developed it from the ground up to win in motorsports events. That's why we have focused so heavily on weight issues, not to mention a shorter wheelbase that permits faster, more precise turn-in. Marry that to our proven AWD system, and we think we have a winner," explains our source.

If you look at the Sebastien Loeb's multiple-championship-winning Citroen C4 in the World Rally Championship, you can see where Subaru is coming from -- or going to. They want to build a WRX that can beat the Citroen while still offering driving enthusiasts something special for their garages. The company has pulled out of WRC, but with the new WRX, a return looks possible. Above the WRX, Subaru will still offer a low-production flagship STI, a model our source calls a "race car for the road."

1998 Subaru Impreza 22B
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"Obviously the rally model will be based on the top-of-the-line STI car, but unlike previous Impreza WRXs, this new WRX will be more hard-core and less forgiving on bumpy road surfaces," adds our source. Collaboration with Toyota on the FT-86 project also seems to have something to do with the direction of the new WRX and STI. "If the truth be known, we were able to focus so deeply on the motorsports element with the new WRX because we developed a sister car with the Toyota FT-86. Bosses gave us permission to go all out because that car exists," says our insider.

Our source also revealed what is going on in the bowels of Subaru's R&D. On the short list for the WRX’s powerplant is a turbocharged 1.6-liter boxer pumping as much as 270 hp, and a twin-charger system involving a supercharger is being tested as well. The car’s body is rumored to be a little bigger than a Toyota Yaris, while its tread width is said to expand significantly. As for the STI, we are told that the flagship will also employ the WRX’s 1.6-liter boxer turbo, but that the engine will be reworked to generate upwards of 300 hp for motorsport competitiveness.

Subaru bosses see the new WRX initially competing in domestic rallies and gymkhanas, but they are also targeting Europe's World Touring Car Championships as well as the long-awaited return to the WRC.

Bottom line? Get used to saying Subaru WRX (most of us enthusiasts do, anyway). Expect unprecedented levels of AWD handling and performance at a bargain price -- the vehicle should land in showrooms in roughly two years in the $26,000-$29,000 range.

Source: source
 
Enjoy! Fresh vid;). Looks really nice. Beautifull car. Im not much a Subaru fan (more an EVO guy:sly:) but i would bye one of those.

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Swaybar endlinks mounted onto the strut body? That's not very subaru.
Maybe subaru had access to the toyota parts bin to keep costs down.
At least the ball joints will benefit from it.
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Can you splain to me?

Do we have any interior dimensions yet? My biggest fear is that this car will be even smaller on the inside than the Subaru Impreza. Still don't know how anyone can squeeze into the Impretzel.
 
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Subaru usually mounts their endlinks to the control arms. By putting the endlinks on the strut body, the sway bar becomes more efficient, I guess hat would be the right word. It lessens the stress on the ball joint.

I've never had problems fitting into sti/wrx cars, though I'm sure those seats are a bit lower down.
 
What? My friends 09 STI is huge inside. With like a foot of headroom to boot.
 
Way too much headroom. In my seating position, pretty straight up, old man style, with the seat raised about half way, I have a good 5-6" of head room a 6'3". It does bother me, strangely enough.
 
who says what is subaru anymore its about adapting and surviving for car companies. As a subaru guy doesnt really bother me so much anymore I am also thinking maybe we should have a different thread tdealing with the the new impreza/ new wrx and new sti. There seams to be a lot of rumor talk and speculation.
 
The main reason new cars have so much headroom is for rollover protection. That results in way too much room above your head. It's uncomfortable.

My RX7's roof touches the top of my fro, and I'm almost 6 feet. That feels about right to me, because once I get rid of that crappy seat and install my bucket I'll have damn near 6 inches of headroom.
 
Still don't know how anyone can squeeze into the Impretzel.

Tell me about it, I'm 6'3, don't fit nicely in the Impreza at all (including STI's), I fit better in a first generation RX-7...
 
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Tell me about it, I'm 6'3, don't fit nicely in the Impreza at all (including STI's), I fit better in a first generation RX-7...

Subaru doesn't know how to package the inside of a car. The the STi hatch has, I swear, less room in it all around, and certainly less leg room, than the GTi my friend had.

I'm not sure what everyone is talking about with all this "room" inside the Impreza...
 
200 hp is not enough. Bring it with the 300 hp Impreza STi engine and I'll think about it.
 
There is more than enough room in the WrX hatch not as much as my Forester XT turbo but enough non the less. I have taken a road trip with me my wife a freind and my 75 pound doberman no problem in a 2010WRX Hatch and had a bit of a spirited run. Didnt push it too much since I dont like to drive like that with my wife or my dog in the car.
Back to our regular speculation about the FR-s and BRZ
 
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There is more than enough room in the WrX hatch not as much as my Forester XT turbo but enough non the less. I have taken a road trip with me my wife a freind and my 75 pound doberman no problem in a 2010WRX Hatch and had a bit of a spirited run. Didnt push it too much since I dont like to drive like that with my wife or my dog in the car.
Back to our regular speculation about the FR-s and BRZ

And I'm telling you the smaller looking, 2 door GTI has a better layout for space. I'm 6'4 and thus excessively aware of head room and leg room. Of course, I've also driven 6 hours with 3 guys over 6 foot in an E36 M3 coupe, and it worked, so I don't really see the point you are trying to make.

Max_DC, this car isn't too much about power at the moment, that is the point. And honestly, I'd rather not deal with a turbo from Subaru till they figure out how to do it like the Germans - aka torque below 3500rpm.
 
I'm a shortarse (5'8" ish). There's no such thing as a car with too little room for me.

Incidentally Keef, how is having too much headroom "uncomfortable"? Unless you're agoraphobic, I suppose.
 
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