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Toyota can't make cool cars any more. They can release good concepts but not good production cars. :(

But who cares, it'll still be good to drive if Toyota keeps its promises. :)

Maybe your just new to the thread my friend Toyota really didint make this car Subaru did.
 
Pretty much. Toyota does the styling, did a surprisingly good job, while subaru did everything else for them.
 
Pretty much. Toyota does the styling, did a surprisingly good job, while subaru did everything else for them.

And the Toyota/Scion will be the volume seller. There's a reason every concept so far have been Toyota/Scion. They're trying to market it as their own, and wanted to test the waters with another sporty Toyota. Since Subaru is doing much of the Engineering, Toyota doesn't have much to lose if this thing flops.
 
If they get the price right there's no way it'll flop unless the market totally crashes in the meantime. I have strong suspicions that a great many people have been waiting for a car like this for a long time.
 
This is a case of Toyota making Subaru it's bitch.

I disagree it shows that Toyota has lost its balls.
Also after reading this article from Car and driver I dont think Subaru is trying to be anybodys female dog lol

Yoshio Hirakawa, Subaru’s senior manager for engineering, looks at me expectantly. My upper lip wears beads of sweat after a mountain-road flog in a prototype of the new front-engine, rear-drive Subaru BRZ sports coupe, a joint venture between Subaru and Toyota with production slated to start next spring. I tell Hirakawa that I’m convinced. I tell him that this car could not have been engineered by Toyota. Nope. No way. He bows deeply.

Subaru called the secret meeting at a golf club in the hills behind Malibu. The internet is afire with rumors that Subaru is “getting a version” of Toyota’s new pseudo-Celica. Subaru sees the situation differently. The company maintains that it did the lion’s share of the engineering and development work on the car, and wounded corporate pride no doubt played a role in our invitation to drive it well in advance of  its production.

We started the day in a windowless room papered with blueprints of a car code-named “AS1,” which will be sold in the U.S. as both the Subaru BRZ and the Scion FR-S, to which we say, “WTF happened to real car names?” Subaru project leader Hirakawa and Toshio Masuda, senior project general manager for product planning, laid out their case: The road map agreed to in April 2008 was for Toyota—which owns 16.2 percent of Subaru’s parent, Fuji Heavy Industries—to do the project planning and styling for the new car, while Subaru would handle engineering, testing, and production. The post-earthquake schedule, pushed back a couple of weeks by the disaster, has the assembly line rolling in May 2012 at Subaru’s build center in Gunma Prefecture, Japan.

To reduce cost, Subaru and Toyota will share nearly identical versions. The common parts bin includes one circa-200-hp, port- and direct-injected flat-four engine; two Aisin six-speed transmissions, including a manual and a conventional automatic; one basic interior; and one set of body stampings and glass. Badges, wheels, and some small trim items will be different. Last year, Toyota decided to sell U.S.-bound cars as Scions, so technically  there will be three iterations of  the AS1, including those sold as Toyotas in foreign markets where Scion doesn’t exist.But whose car is it really? Senior project general manager Masuda says that only Subaru personnel were in the engineering bullpens and at the test track during the car’s three-year gestation. How often did Toyota check in? “Meetings with Toyota were always necessity based” and not regular, Masuda says, meaning that Toyota did not drive the project from the back seat.

Masuda goes even further to assert that the engineering of the AS1 dictated its styling, rather than vice versa as with most sports cars. Toyota’s designers shaped the body but only after the hard points of the chassis, powertrain, and passenger compartment were fixed by Subaru

“We delivered the best chassis we could,” he says, “and then the styling of  the car was basically [Toyota’s] role.”
 
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This is a case of Toyota making Subaru it's bitch.

Could've sworn this was already the case since Toyota Own a percentage of Fuji Heavy Industries to begin with (or so I believe).
 
12 to 14 percent GM owned it before Toyota

I don't know what you are saying by this? That GM owned 12 to 14 percent of Fuji Heavy, or that Toyota owned some of GM, or what?

Also, when you copy and paste an article, it is generally proper to link back to the source and wrap it in quote tags.

Toyota didn't so much lose its balls as they just shifted to wanting to be number 1 far more than anything else. The LF-A and F series in the Lexus line up show they still have some ideas about performance.
 
:tup:Yes sems4aresenal you are correct. As for the LFA and F series overpriced for there performance qualities,so I still think they lost there balls.
 
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The subaru is 40mm shorter(L), 5mm narrower, 15mm shorter(H)

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SOA CEO Takeshi Tachimori gives pricing hint for BRZ coupe
The sports car will be rear-drive with a Subaru drivetrain and will be positioned between the Impreza and Legacy, Tachimori said.
 
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There are those pic from because this the pic that was relased as a teaser to the BRZ
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The first picture in my post is the original the latter ones are based on.
 
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Toyota didn't so much lose its balls as they just shifted to wanting to be number 1 far more than anything else. The LF-A and F series in the Lexus line up show they still have some ideas about performance.

Thats something I've never understood. They clearly showed they still got it after all these years with those two, but then decided to package it under a brand thats more associated with being (and this is exactly what I've heard from many people) a "Rich Man's Toyota" and to be honest, dull looking cars and then stuck a price tag that's more the most of the cars it was competing against and it wasn't even really all that better then those same cars.
 
lol What do you mean it lags RJ ? Just curious thats all.

Eh, internet gamer joke.

BR = Brazilian. 95% you meet will lag terribly. Not all, just most. Group a bunch of BRs into a race in a certain game in particular and chances are you'll get knocked out of the map by at least 3 of them.

It's not GT5 I'm on about, though I do remember a time where everyone got black screened except for one Brazilian who completed his first lap just as everyone else's screens woke up, so the problem can exist there too. It's nothing against the people, just that when it happens it's almost always a BR at the cause.
 
^Well that was the agreement that Subaru and Toyota made.

Subaru has to make an STi model of this car though.
 
^Well that was the agreement that Subaru and Toyota made.

Subaru has to make an STi model of this car though.

What do you mean? So far subaru admits the chassis can take more but they said if you want more power buy the wrx STI.
 
Oooooh. I'd heard it but I thought it was just rumour. Typical Toyota. :rolleyes:

I don't see why it's such an issue who developed it. It's a partnership. Toyota did the styling by and large, Subaru the chassis and engine. As long as it's a good car, who really gives a monkeys?

And yes @ sumbrownkid, as in the post above:

The whole idea behind the car is that it doesn't need more power to be fun. Adding more power, unless you're going racing with it, would just be a big exercise in willy waving. I quite appreciate when car makers come along and say "Y'know what? Sod the power race. Let's just make this thing fun to drive instead".
 
What do you mean? So far subaru admits the chassis can take more but they said if you want more power buy the wrx STI.

What I mean is that they need to have an STi model alongside the normal car, like how the Impreza has a WRX and STi model.

Subaru should make more STi versions of their current offerings. Not everyone wants an Impreza STi.

How about a Legacy STi? Or a Forester STi?
 
What I mean is that they need to have an STi model alongside the normal car, like how the Impreza has a WRX and STi model.

Subaru should make more STi versions of their current offerings. Not everyone wants an Impreza STi.

How about a Legacy STi? Or a Forester STi?

There has to be a market for something to make it worthwhile selling. If Subaru sees a market for a BRZ STi (and let's not forget, the regular BRZ is already 100bhp more powerful than the FT-86), then they'll make one.

If not, they won't.
 
What I mean is that they need to have an STi model alongside the normal car, like how the Impreza has a WRX and STi model.

Subaru should make more STi versions of their current offerings. Not everyone wants an Impreza STi.

How about a Legacy STi? Or a Forester STi?

We have the STI concept a page or two back so what is it that you're complaining about?
They also already said a new sports car is coming in 2014 or 2015, no not the new wrx/sti.
As for making STI versions of other models, if it was profitable to them, they would and just cause they had them is RHD markets, doesn't mean they can do it here.
 
As much as I would love for them to resurrect the forester STI its not gonna happen anytime soon Subaru set out with the BRZ to make an affordable well handling RWD coupe I am sure if you need more power there will be options. As for an STI maybe down the line they will but I think they want to keep emissions down and there footprint down as well plus the fact that the wrx STI is going to be getting revamped soon. I think sti anything else is a pipe dream for the time being.
 
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