Scott Speed to leave Toro Rosso?

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Q: But do you anticipate that there might be a lot of stuff going on in the next week, and you’ll end up not driving in Hungary?

“I think with these two, you never know. Everything that’s ever happened in the press and the media has always been a surprise, because they do everything behind everyone else’s back.”

I'm confused by this quote from the second link. So is he officially dropped? It doesn't look like it.


I think it would be cool to watch him race in the ALMS or even IRL or Champcar.

edit: Then again, he could probably replace Ralf. :D
 
He should just quit. That team has treated him like 🤬 from day one, and they don't seem to like Liuzzi either. No support of their drivers. I'd like to see Sebastien Bourdais in that team. It would be an epic battle of assholes.
 
I guess that is what happens when you are on a crappy team with an incredibly unreliable car. I'd say Liuzzi and Speed are equal drivers. It is just that Speed is the one who was more defiant and hotheaded. I hope he can find another team.
 
I guess that is what happens when you are on a crappy team with an incredibly unreliable car. I'd say Liuzzi and Speed are equal drivers. It is just that Speed is the one who was more defiant and hotheaded. I hope he can find another team.
Where's he going to go? With Winkelhock taking the Spyker seat (which is just as bad as Toro Rosso), there's nowhere available unless he somehow manages to stay put at STR until the season's end. If he goes now and then waits until 2008 for another seat to open up, he'll probably get overlooked by teams favouring other newcomers and with Prodrive likely to sign Gary Paffet, Speed hardly qualifies as experienced enough to take thier second seat. The only possibility I can see is if Toyota drops Ralf and picks Speed up in his place, which begs the question of who would take Speed's STR seat; there's no way STR could afford Schumacher (and he's hardly worth his salary anyway).
 
I hope he hangs around and lands a testing gig with one of the midfield teams. That would surely open up doors to racing seats in the future.
 
Both Toro Rosso drivers are a load of poo. They should take both drivers, Vantino Luzzi and Scott Speed to Springfeild USA, then throw both of them down the bottom less pit. Then replace them with Sebastain Vettal and that Bourdias bloke!
 
Vantino Luzzi and Scott Speed to Springfeild USA

You clearly know a lot about them.

Anyway, I have always felt Vitantonio Liuzzi has been a strong performer. But the STR2 for all intents and purposes, is last years car. I think Red Bull would much rather Toro Rosso were a B-Team rather than challenging the midfield where Coulthard and Webber might well come a cropper. Speed and Liuzzi seem to be over-zelous in their driving leading to unforced errors. One example of this is when Liuzzi was running 5th in the Canadian Grand Prix after his third stop. Had he not met with the "Wall of Champions" that would have been 4 points in the bag.
But if you ask them to calm down, they'll inevitably lose pace too. I hope the rumours of next years STR being the Ferrari F12007 are true, if Red Bull insist on using another chassis rather than developing a seperate Toro Rosso chassis then at least make it a good one.
 
I’ve been looking for hours, but I can’t see anything that suggests Speed will not be racing in Hungary, despite the rumours. He’s also testing for STR this week, so it all seems to be founded on rumours stemming from Speed and Tost’s relationship breaking down.
 
It seems far from confirmed that Scott Speed has been 'let go'... certainly his drive with Toro Rosso is in some doubt, but it's by no means official that he's actually gone yet as far as I can tell, hence I've editted the thread title slightly to reflect this fact...
 
I'm very confused with the situation.At one time,STR said they were going to retain their drivers until the end of the season,now it looks like they're trying to get rid of their driver.Its all so dramatic in the middle part of the season.I think Speed is staying for the Hungarian GP,but its going to be a different story at Istambul.Vettel or Bordais still have to do a few test before joining the team.

But now the situation is,its not the drivers which is the problem.Its the car thats the problem.Speed already states that the team is under budget and have a hard time getting new parts.That is a major factor in the teams performance so far.Either Red Bull give full support for STR or STR could find other sponsors like Spyker (and even have pay driver seats) that could really benefit the team from their slump in performance.But for now,all i see is just another backmarker team struggling in F1.
 
Both Toro Rosso drivers are a load of poo. They should take both drivers, Vantino Luzzi and Scott Speed to Springfeild USA, then throw both of them down the bottom less pit. Then replace them with Sebastain Vettal and that Bourdias bloke!


I'm sorry but who are you to say that they are "poo"? In my honest opinion these two are actually very good drivers. They're just having bad results because of the bad reliability of the STR car, and besides, it's a Toro Rosso! STR is a team battling with Spyker and Super Aguri but that's it, they're a backmarker. You can't expect a driver to pull off amazing things with an STR :dunce: Personally, I'd continue with these two. Who says Bourdais is fast in an F1 car? Last time I remember, an F1 and Champcar are two completely different cars. Also, Bourdais is a bad loser, just watch this:




I saw the whole race and there was no kind of blocking from Doornbos as Bourdais mentiones...

And Vettel...He's only 19, he's got plenty of time, give Speed and Liuzzi their time to evolve in the F1 world...
 
Heh, wouldn't surprise me...especially after Speed's out going criticism of the teams owner/manager and accusing them of trying to get rid of them asap.
 
I’ve been looking for hours, but I can’t see anything that suggests Speed will not be racing in Hungary, despite the rumours. He’s also testing for STR this week, so it all seems to be founded on rumours stemming from Speed and Tost’s relationship breaking down.

From an interview with Scott on Autosport.com:

Q: Are you worried about your future with the team?

Speed: "To be honest, the only thing I'm worried about is my relationship with Red Bull, because obviously Franz Tost and Gerhard Berger have been pushing the same dishonesty to the media, and I'm worried that might have ruined my relationship with Red Bull.

"Because Red Bull has been amazing to me, and I think we fit together really good, and it's a shame to let these two people ruin the whole thing.

"As far as my future in F1 is concerned, you couldn't pay me enough money to race for those two people again. If it was with a different team, that would be great, but I would also like to do something else with Red Bull, even if it was outside F1. Like I said, my relationship with Red Bull has been fantastic."

Q: But do you anticipate that there might be a lot of stuff going on in the next week, and you'll end up not driving in Hungary?

Speed: "I think with these two, you never know. Everything that's ever happened in the press and the media has always been a surprise, because they do everything behind everyone else's back."

Q: And you're happy that all of this is on record?

Speed: "It's the truth, and at the end of the day, I think it's time it came out."

So, he hasn't been sacked, but he's saying he doesn't want to drive for them again. Although he is testing for Toro Rosso in Mugello, and Franz Tost has stated "yes, unequivocally" when asked if Speed will be racing in Hungary (source: Autosport.com)
 
and by GrandPrix.com

Scott Speed has decided that he has had enough with Scuderia Toro Rosso team manager Franz Tost and launched an uncompromising attack on the Austrian in an interview with Speedvision.com's Adam Cooper.

Speed said ge did not want to go public about it but decided that he would because of Tost's behaviour.

"After the race Franz spent 15 minutes apologizing for his behavior, because it was clear to everyone that he was way out of line," Speed said. "But after coming out and denying this stuff, it’s just another very dishonest thing that Franz or Gerhard (Berger) have said in the media to damage me and Tonio (Liuzzi). And at this point, I’ve had enough. I know that it’s going to hurt Red Bull, and that’s definitely not my intention, because Dietrich Mateschitz and Red Bull have been a huge support to me. They’re the reasons I have achieved everything I have in motor racing. But Franz Tost, in particular, is out of control."

Speed said that not only did Tost hit him in the back but afterwards, out of sight of the mechanics, grabbed Speed by the shirt and pushed me against a wall.

"I was furious," Speed said. "I walked to the pit wall and wanted to inform everyone that this happened. So I looked at my team manager, the technical director, and Gerhard Berger, and told them that if my team chief ever touches me again, I’m going to knock him out. They said, ‘OK, let’s try to calm this whole situation down.’ I said 'Fine' and went back in my room and I stayed there until the end of the race. At which point Gerhard and Franz both came back. Franz was calmed down and spent 15 minutes apologizing for his behavior."

Speed says that he is worried about his relationship with Red Bull.

"Obviously Franz Tost and Gerhard Berger have been pushing the same dishonesty to the media, and I’m worried that might have ruined my relationship with Red Bull," he said. "Because Red Bull has been amazing to me, and I think we fit together really good, and it’s a shame to let these two people ruin the whole thing. As far as my future in F1 is concerned, you couldn’t pay me enough money to race for those two people again. If it was with a different team, that would be great, but I would also like to do something else with Red Bull, even if it was outside F1."
 
So why don't Red Bull investigate rather than letting this stew over?
 
I'd be sorry to see Scott leave Formula 1, he's one of the more charasmatic drivers. If, well it's more a matter of when he leaves STR, I hope he can land a 3rd driver position atleast with perhaps Red Bull or another mid-field team, surely Toyota will be looking to increase that stronghold they have on the American car market..
 
Update-F1
Jul.31 (GMM) True to the rumours, Sebastian Vettel will indeed replace Scott Speed at Toro Rosso for the rest of the 2007 season.

The Faenza based team, and 20-year-old Vettel's now former employer BMW-Sauber, confirmed the news with separate official statements on Tuesday.

Starting in Hungary this year, the German "will drive for the team in all the remaining rounds of the 2007 FIA formula one world championship" alongside Vitantonio Liuzzi, Toro Rosso said.

Vettel is a long term protege of the Red Bull Junior Team since his karting days at the age of 12, but his career has jointly been guided by BMW through Formula BMW and Formula 3.

BMW-Sauber's test and reserve driver so far in 2007, the Munich manufacturer confirmed on Tuesday that it is "allowing Sebastian Vettel to take the step into a formula one (race) cockpit."

Secondary test driver Timo Glock now moves into Vettel's reserve role, and despite leading the GP2 championship would forgo a race in the support category should he have to replace either Nick Heidfeld or Robert Kubica, BMW said.

BMW boss Mario Theissen commented: "We have sponsored and coached Sebastian over a number of years. To place obstacles in his career path now would go against our concept of talent promotion."

:(
 
who edited the thread title? i think vettle's very hungry to race. I wonder if this was a good decision.
 
who edited the thread title?

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It seems far from confirmed that Scott Speed has been 'let go'... certainly his drive with Toro Rosso is in some doubt, but it's by no means official that he's actually gone yet as far as I can tell, hence I've editted the thread title slightly to reflect this fact...
 
vettle's very hungry to race.


1) Too hungry, give him some time and he'll realise the F1 is not such a dreamworld after all...

2) Nope, wasn't a good decision, STR's a bit like Toyota now, as if they think they can compete in the midfield after only 2 seasons...I really really hope Speed finds a seat elsewhere...(Come on Toyota! Montagny in the 2nd seat, Speed for test!)
 
At first I thought Vettel was throwing his career down the drain with this move, but maybe he knows that Kubica and Heidfeld will be getting contract extensions since their performance has been quite good. So I guess this is the only move he could make unless he wanted to spend another year as a test driver (like poor old Kovalainen did).

On another note, isn't it interesting that Bourdais was willing to leave Champcar as the 3 time defending champ and current championship leader to join a backmarker F1 team (with little to none salary). They should just rename Champcar to GP2½.
 
On another note, isn't it interesting that Bourdais was willing to leave Champcar as the 3 time defending champ and current championship leader to join a backmarker F1 team (with little to none salary). They should just rename Champcar to GP2½.

Bourdais is probably just really desperate to get into F1. If he does good, then he can get a better ride next season. If not, he could be the next Ralf Schumacher.

But it would be pretty interesting to see how a Champcar uh... champ does in F1. Hamilton proved what can be done coming from GP2 and going into a good team.
 
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