Seasonal events - now officially ruined.

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Does lifting restrictions ruin the seasonal events?

  • Yes - Ruined! Why break a good thing PD?

    Votes: 164 36.2%
  • No way! Stop whining!

    Votes: 289 63.8%

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So basically

guy notices new seasonal events.......hmmm.......no tunning restrictions.

Goes to Garage and picks his stock car......heads over to the tunning shop, Looks at the engine upgrades and how much faster they will make the car......then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Looks at a nice sports filter and how much faster it will make his car.....then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Picks up a turbo, fully customizable suspension and transmission......then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Buys himself some racing soft tyres knowing how much of an advantage it will be to his car in the upcomming race....and the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Then runs the race and destroys the oposition.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"


Does that pretty much sum up peoples objctions to the new seasonal events?


Pretty much
 
Tell you what... everybody send me $60. I'll send you back a piece of string.

How you play with it is up to YOU... :rolleyes: :crazy:
 
I wouldn't say the Seasonal Events are ruined, but I would say that the 3rd group of Seasonal Events are not quite as good as the others. PD can still more than make up for #3 with #4 and on. :) Which is what I hope they do.

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No Dave you didn't read anything at all. Useless post.. So much typing without even knowing what we're saying..

Well, you certainly have me beat when it comes to how little you type to make a worthless post. Congratulations. ;)
 
Polls here only prove what the loudest want proved.

Facts are on MY side. ALL the GT series games were successful while having restrictions. Every game in the world played online has restrictions on how you can play. 300 people on this site. millions online right now proving you wrong.

Accept it, move on, get a life.
 
I wouldn't say the Seasonal Events are ruined, but I would say that the 3rd group of Seasonal Events are not quite as good as the others. PD can still more than make up for #3 with #4 and on. :) Which is what I hope they do.

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I haven't checked, but I think they removed the restrictions on seasonal events #2 as well.

PD can easily please everybody here.

They can propose a "suggested" restriction on BHP, but not actually enforce it.

That way, all the whiners in this thread will be happy that they can "be real race drivers", and everybody else can enjoy the game as they please.

Even if that happens though, the whiners will find something to whine about.
 
Polls here only prove what the loudest want proved.

Facts are on MY side. ALL the GT series games were successful while having restrictions. Every game in the world played online has restrictions on how you can play. 300 people on this site. millions online right now proving you wrong.

Accept it, move on, get a life.

Ohhh I wondered how polls work.
 
Polls here only prove what the loudest want proved.

Facts are on MY side. ALL the GT series games were successful while having restrictions. Every game in the world played online has restrictions on how you can play. 300 people on this site. millions online right now proving you wrong.

Accept it, move on, get a life.

Yes, polls are only right when they're in support of your argument.

Facts aren't on your side at all.

You should take your own advice. Accept that the seasonal events have no restrictions. Move on. Get a life. Quit whining.
 
^So you get no satisfaction from setting your own goals(in general, now, not GT5) and completing them?

If include a real life, then yeah, i do have my own goals that i want to reach. But that's only for important things, like career etc.

If games only... no, because they all will be the fake ones. I'd rather spend my time on pre-made challenges or goals, since they (in example with GT5 - races) meant to be completed that way as they are made.


So basically

guy notices new seasonal events.......hmmm.......no tunning restrictions.

Goes to Garage and picks his stock car......heads over to the tunning shop, Looks at the engine upgrades and how much faster they will make the car......then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Looks at a nice sports filter and how much faster it will make his car.....then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Picks up a turbo, fully customizable suspension and transmission......then clicks on purchase.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Buys himself some racing soft tyres knowing how much of an advantage it will be to his car in the upcomming race....and the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"

Then runs the race and destroys the oposition.....all the time thinking "WHY? Why PD WHY? Why are you destroying my enjoyment of this game by allowing me to upgrade my car like this?"


Does that pretty much sum up peoples objctions to the new seasonal events?

Nope.
Restrictions that were made by PD were tested i believe. So for example, RX-7 event 2. Using the right RX-7, with max allowed HP and right tuning were just what that race were needed. With good control you could get 59s and 1:00s so yeah, that was a small challenge of driving.
Now take any of new events, we don't have a reqs now. What to do? Try with a stock car for 30 mins to find out it's impossible? What's then, what to buy? Ok, maybe air filter and weight reduce lvl 3. Another 30 mins, nope, still not even close.
Ok, remove upgrades and buy soft sport tires and win from 1st try. Nope, that wouldn't be right as well.

So, i would say, why any restrictions that you can create for yourself is not like ones that PD made for events #1 and 2, won't be tested.
That's why it's a way better (challenge wise, not fast money wise) to get some situation when you know it's a 100% possible with those reqs that a certain race has, but not that easy to win from the 1st attempt, unless you are very good driver/player tho.

PD can easily please everybody here.

They can propose a "suggested" restriction on BHP, but not actually enforce it.
This will work too. Or as already suggested:
Car with suggested settings/upgrades => 100% money and exp
Car with any settings/upgrades => let's say 80 - 85% of exp and money.
So people will have to choose, very fast 800k and 80k exp or accept a challenge and get 1m money and 100k exp.
Everyone will be happy, i'm sure.
 
Talking about offline A-Spec/B-Spec if you gained more money/XP when useing close to the typicial (Cars/BHP/KG) more people would do it for example useing the X1 round 1000Km suzuka which takes 4 hours rather then 6 hours, people are going to do it.

But if they used a normal race car and got more for there time spent i think it would make sence. but they have made the game easy or as hard as you want it to be useing what you want when you want (which i dont understand after playing all past GT games).

Also i think if they did it as what i said earlier if you used a typical (Cars/BHP/KG) and you got more for your time and saved you grinding as much. It would be more fun and you would rank up faster and for those who want to play online like most would by far enjoy it alot more.
 
Then make it shorter, purchase another HP upgrade. That's the beauty of it being OPEN, you can do whatever you want. Want to grind 5 hours to get the tune right? Do it. Want to spend 30 mins to get the tune right? Do it. It's not that big a deal.

Please explain how you assume I could possilbly get in 30 minutes what otherwise takes me 5 hours just by "wanting to"?

And what is "right"? That's the problem... there are litearlly thousands of possible tunes with suspension alone... any of which could be the difference between winnable and not, and that's JUST suspension.

More importantly you are failing to understand the difference between:

About a challenging as the event can be and be beatable

and

Comfortably challening for me

The important part is that the first challenges you to get better, the second just challenges to you find out what fits your skill level now.

Really?... I find that tweaking the LSD and suspension doesn't take too long. I had about 3 or 4 goes before I found a good drift setup for my r8. But everybody's different I guess (and hence why the OPEN restrictions are good, because everybody can do as they wish).

And I had a good feeling tune for the a few of the races, but upon trying someone elses tune (which felt quite wrong) found it indeed made me faster... sometimes tuning feels right but takes you in the wrong direction. That's why it's not as simple as "find something that feels right", in a few situations what felt right to me left the race unwinable, while something that felt wrong, proved more beneficial. It would have taken me a LONG time to get to the same result on my own especially when I was fairly sure I had tuned the car pretty much perfectly already.

It's not an argument. I'm just saying, if you want a challenge, impose a challenge on yourself. If you don't, then just tune as much as you want. The challenge WILL be there if you want it to be (it'll just be more tweaking than before).

And I am saying I don't want to do the grind to find the hardest doable challenge, I want to attempt to meet that challenge, there is a difference. It's the difference between being a puzzle maker and a puzzle solver. They are not the same at all.

And those 20 tries weren't in vain. They must have helped you learn the car, and learn the track well enough to get to victory. It's a racing game, why complain about having to race more? (maybe you'll have to try 50~60~200 times now... isnt' that the challenge you want?)

Which has what to do with your claim that by the 5th race you should surely know if you need to upgrade your car to win?

It's not a solution I'm imposing on myself, because I don't get satisfaction/enjoyment out of it. It's just a solution for those who want a challenge. How is it flawed, it works, just keep racing until you KNOW you can't do it, then tune. If you still can't do it, tune some more. Doesn't matter how many tries it takes, it's still going to provide the challenge that you're after.

The flaw is that there is no way to KNOW you can't do it... I have literally spent 6 hours trying a race I STILL haven't firsted... I know it's doable but I haven't been able to after even 6 hours of trying... so your plan fails in that it's one thing to say "do it until you know you can't" but it's entirely another to do it. What if I have a tune that is physically impossible to win with but is possible to get 2 seconds off first with? How am I supposed to KNOW I can't do it? There is no way... that's why it doesn't work.

Why don't you do time trials?... Those would give you the perfect scenario. Fixed car, and you can tune till you beat the online leaderboards.

So rather than admit the mode is damage now, you just suggest I go to another mode? Maybe I don't TT because I like racing against other cars and don't particularly like driving alone on the track and they aren't even close to the same experience? Maybe because it's one thing to gold a seasonal event (which means you are skilled enough to do what thousands of others have done but is still very challenging) and it's another entirely to try and beat every single other person in the world?

What you are suggesting is that when someone takes "kinging" out of checkers just go play chess... one is not the same experience as the other no matter how many positive points either may have or share.

Not true, I know people who can't beat beginner races even with SRF on... They still enjoy the game as they like cars, but they're just not very good at it.

Again what does that have to do with what I said? I said it's attainable for the average driver... not the poor driver and I said the elements exist to help any driver achieve average driver ability (license tests and practice sessions). I didn't say everyone will want to...

Some people don't want to improve. Some people just want to have fun playing the game.

Yes and the ones that just want to have fun have practice, arcade and online already. The ones who want to improve are left with very few fun options.

The fact is that arguably the most fun of the few options for those who want to improve has been fairly broken.

When all my friends played starcraft and counterstrike etc. They all said "practice more, you'll get better".

I just didn't want to. I liked doing whatever I wanted in the game.

These seasonal events give the exp for amateur drivers to get the cars they want and enjoy the game their own way.

The issue at hand is that there are LOTS of races that do that already (especially while the current xp and cr boost is in place for a and b spec)... but very few that cater to the other type in a fun way.

That's what you keep missing... all else being equal, yes there are two sides to the coin. But all sides are not equal... the amatue players are already catered to, the reason the seasonal events being broken is such a big deal is it was one of few really good options for the other end of the spectrum to get some sollid racing enjoyment done right.
 
I have seen quite enough.

This thread is officially DEAD.

I am sick of all the whining, the meta-whining, the name-calling, the flame-baiting, the circular arguments and the like.

Fact 1: Gran Turismo is not an unrestricted game. There are rules.

Fact 2: The removal of certain restrictions makes online events easier. Some events were impossible to beat with the restrictions.

Fact 3: The fact that certain restrictions were removed doesn't contradict Fact 1. They just mean the bar has been lowered to the ground.

Opinion: The lack of restriction sucks. Cheaters are ruining the game. The programmers should get it right.

Opinion: People who complain about the lack of restrictions are whiners. People should design their own game themselves.

That's the long and short of it. I didn't expect to read basically a dozen pages saying the same things over and over again (including a few "la-la-la I'm not listening" posts).

I may be back in here to hand out infractions and warnings retroactively, or I might not. Depends on my intestinal fortitude after lunch. But I've read a whole lot of things I don't like. If any of you can't argue a point without commenting on another person's lifestyle, intelligence or whatnot, I suggest you DON'T.


On a side-note: I am sick to death of reading literally hundreds of posts with the words "cheater" and "whiner" in them. From here on in, every time such term is used in a derogatory manner towards another member, that post gets nuked. Clear?
 
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