Seasonal Events Trans Tuning Guidlines

[GTP_CargoRatt]

First off, yes I know this should go in the tuning forums, but I am putting it here as this is where the main confusion seems to be. I see alot of confusion here with people having problems with trying to duplicate other people's trans settings. To try to resolve this problem, people sharing tunes should include all of the following as they all make a difference in gear ratios.
1. Oil Change
2. Miles on car
3. Did you change wheels
4. Engine performance parts installed
5. Engine refresh
6. Exact steps you took to setup your trans. Simply saying you used the "tranny trick" or that you "flipped the trans" is not good enough as some people don't know what those are or simply have a misunderstanding what the "tranny trick" actually is.

If I have missed something or you have questions, please feel free to ask. I am just trying to clear things up and make it easier for new people or even the veterans that are unaware when trying to duplicate others trans settings. Peace.

 

[JK83]

How wheels affect gear ration in GT5?
I just tryed couple cars and no difference

1. Oil Change No difference
2. Miles on car That doesnt affect rations either.
3. Did you change wheels No difference
4. Engine performance parts installed no difference in rations but topspeed in right corner higher.
5. Engine refresh No difference

Some parts of your list affect your car HP and then you must set your tranny different way tought to keep your car fast and in PP limits but that is different thing.

But maybe this thread point is get same HP\Weight\PP ?
Nah can't be since tittle says "Seasonal Events Trans Tuning Guidlines" ...

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Closing this as once again above member is just trying to start crap. I have proof for everything I've listed so I know it to be fact.

 

[JK83]

I was wrong and right some parts but CargoRat doesn't let me fix mine mistake.
So I'm not starting any crap. I got just FACTS

I got prety good proves what affect tranny and what not.

1. Oil Change No affect noticed.
2. Miles on car No affect noticed.
3. Did you change wheels Affect cars but not all (Example Renault Lutecia Sport V6 Phase2 ´03 )
4. Engine performance parts

Changing the amount of power while leaving the gear ratios untouched won't affect the car's geared speed limit (only the car's aero limit, which isn't quantified in GT5 - you just have to drive it until it can't accelerate any more; if it does that before you run out of gears your aero limit is less than your geared limit, if it reaches the end of the gearing first then your aero limit is more than your geared limit).

Changing the ECU changes more than just the power. It changes the redline of the engine - notice on your pictures that before the ECU upgrade with any other modifications the rev limit is 8,000rpm and after it it's 8,500rpm? Suddenly you've got a couple of hundred more rpm out of the engine:

Without ECU upgrade
8,000rpm engine limit
4.100 differential x 0.843 6th gear
8000/(4.1*0.843) = 2,314rpm wheel limit
225/40R16 wheel * 2314rpm = 159.0mph

With ECU upgrade
8,500rpm engine limit
4.100 differential x 0.843 6th gear
8500/(4.1*0.843) = 2,459rpm wheel limit
225/40R16 wheel * 2459rpm = 168.9mph


Adding the various NA Stage tunings may have a similar effect by moving the redline, but I haven't been paying any attention. Oil change, refresh, mileage reset or any other power part will do nothing.

5. Engine refresh No affect noticed.

I went UCD and bought random RX7 and tranny on it


After that I went oil change.

And no affect.

After that I restored engine.

No difference.

Then I took miles of mine car.



So here we go nothing changed.

And finaly I added some Engine tuning and then
Also I noticed some cars tranny doesn't affect if you add stage3 turbo.
happens what I said.
(This part need more cars to testing tought since topspeed up right raised mut doesn't affect ratios?)

 

[daan]

I have proof for everything I've listed so I know it to be fact.

Then post that proof. Don't just lock the thread and run away.

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

Well i picked the LFA and changed the wheels after checking the gear ratios before hand then went into car settings and the ratio was higher

Also if others havent noticed some of the big tuners on here actually tell you to get specific wheels for the cars, which might mean it will affect the ratio

 

[JK83]

Well i picked the LFA and changed the wheels after checking the gear ratios before hand then went into car settings and the ratio was higher

... as they all make a difference in gear ratios.

Affect cars but not all (Example Renault Lutecia Sport V6 Phase2 &´03 Le Mans quattro '03 ) and I bet there is mutch more.

 

[Monatsende]

Hell, that looks highly sophisticated...

 

[Outeke]

JK83, what do you guys mean with change wheels?

Change of tires? Change or rims? Change of both?

Wanna test some too.... but got totally

 

[JK83]

JK83, what do you guys mean with change wheels?

Change of tires? Change or rims? Change of both?

Wanna test some too.... but got totally

Rims 👍

Tires doesnt make any difference any car what I'v tryed.

 

[Outeke]

Rims 👍

Tires doesnt make any difference any car what I'v tryed.

OK cool, will check some out later.

Cheers mate

 

[esoxhntr]

Any engine mod that affects RPMs (ECU, Engine States 1-3, Catalytic and Exhaust) will affect your "MAX SPEED"

Why? Cause the RPMs in each (and top) gear just stretched.. Look at your pics above.. you were at 8k before ECU and are at 8.5K post ECU.

Nothing *should* affect the ratios themselves though.

 

[SS Chuck]

I completely agree with cargo rat. There have been times when I could not match the ratios no matter what I tried. If you've come up with a successful tranny tune, please tell us what you did prior to that.

 

[JK83]

I completely agree with cargo rat. There have been times when I could not match the ratios no matter what I tried. If you've come up with a successful tranny tune, please tell us what you did prior to that.

How you can completely agree ?

Yeah great proofs 👍
Since you can play with final gear & top speed sliders(That affect ratios)
I can take another photo shoot marathon if needed

Only thing what I agree is:

6. Exact steps you took to setup your trans. Simply saying you used the "tranny trick" or that you "flipped the trans" is not good enough as some people don't know what those are or simply have a misunderstanding what the "tranny trick" actually is.

 

[te?]

How wheels affect gear ration in GT5?
I just tryed couple cars and no difference

1. Oil Change No difference
2. Miles on car That doesnt affect rations either.
3. Did you change wheels No difference
4. Engine performance parts installed no difference in rations but topspeed in right corner higher.
5. Engine refresh No difference

Some parts of your list affect your car HP and then you must set your tranny different way tought to keep your car fast and in PP limits but that is different thing.

But maybe this thread point is get same HP\Weight\PP ?
Nah can't be since tittle says "Seasonal Events Trans Tuning Guidlines" ...

Im sorry cargorat but i definitely have to agree with jk83.

Always put in mind that the transmission is very much different from the engine. Whatever you do with the engine (put more mods to get hp) and not replace your original transmission you will end up always to hit it if it was for example set to (240kph) whatever happens that will be the top speed.

It is the same in real life if you have a standard stock transmission and have never changed it but youve modded your engine to get more horses your top speed will remain the same. Even if you change its oil, have it overhauled, etc.

Regarding the rim sizes in real life if you change your stock wheels lets say a 14" or a 15" into something bigger i think in that part youll get a slight more faster top speed maybe 245-247 if youre running a stock 240kph transmission top speed.

This thread is very much complicated especially for those people who are not really familiar with transmissions as this is way different from the engine. Engine in a whole has a job of itself and transmission as a whole also has a different job as itself.

Hope ive shed a little light on this. Cheers guys!

 

[Outeke]

Exactly te? !

Maybe the OP could have been "x different ways of setting up your transmission".
And then an explanation how to setup transmissions in different ways.
That would be useful for many that do not have too much knowledge about tuning.

Now it is just a thread that says "tuners should put all this and that in their post"..that sounds like guidelines for people to behave or post..

Of course exceptions exist which would need some more explanation in the tune-post itself 👍

Cheers

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

Well, I see that a thread I have started to try and help people to achieve other peoples trans settings has turned into nothing but a slam against me and a thinking by certain people that I don't know what I'm talking about. To those people, go ahead and think what you want, thats fine. I have no problem setting up a trans or even matching others trans settings. I was just trying to help people here. I have no way of posting pictures now or making videos so I tried to explain things the best I could. This will end my part in this thread and pardon me for trying to help. You can go on doing what works for you and I will do whats been working for me. I'm tired of everytime I start a thread, certain people have to come in and try to discount what I say. You win, I'm done here. So go ahead and keep making your smatass comments about me OUTEKE and your little snippets in your sig which I know are aimed at me, I really don't care anymore. I haven't the time for the childish games. I have went out of my way to help people here in the Seasonal forums by sharing my cars, my tunes, and whatever else was needed but apparently I'm not good enough to do so, so I simply will stop and just go on my merry way. Pardon me for trying to help, it won't happen again. Regards.

 

[Outeke]

Your OP had room for discussion because there where many flaws in it, so be a man and discuss it with the ones that question your theory and not just lock it.

But since this big reply is mainly against me (who else is writen in uppercase or even mentioned by name), I will reply.

I will start by quoting a small piece of your post. I marked it in bold and will continue the sentence that I wanted to write, they ironically match perfectly.

Well, I see that a thread I have started to try and help people (remember the giveaway thread?) got locked by a moderator because of me replying to your flood of smartass comments on my and other peoples PSN and in the thread.
But of course that is a total different thing, my last reply was out of line. And I paid the price for that in the end. Fair enough.
But don't play mister innocent here, that doesn't suit you.

Oh and thank you, I'm flattered every time I read my nick in uppercase. If you make it in color="Orange" it will make me even more happy. And good to spot 👍

 

[Killermiller24]

Your OP had room for discussion because there where many flaws in it, so be a man and discuss it with the ones that question your theory and not just lock it.

But since this big reply is mainly against me (who else is writen in uppercase or even mentioned by name), I will reply.

I will start by quoting a small piece of your post. I marked it in bold and will continue the sentence that I wanted to write, they ironically match perfectly.

Well, I see that a thread I have started to try and help people (remember the giveaway thread?) got locked by a moderator because of me replying to your flood of smartass comments on my and other peoples PSN and in the thread.
But of course that is a total different thing, my last reply was out of line. And I paid the price for that in the end. Fair enough.
But don't play mister innocent here, that doesn't suit you.

Oh and thank you, I'm flattered every time I read my nick in uppercase. If you make it in color="Orange" it will make me even more happy. And good to spot 👍

OUTEKE

👍

 

[Monatsende]

Outeke + bold + italic + underlined

Well, any new proofs from tit or tat side?

 

[Skygrasper550]

with regards to the OP and the original intention of the poster...

For the power upgrades that affect the redline/RPM of a car, Yes the ECU and Engine Stage upgrades affect it. But the Exhaust pipes and Catalytic Converter also affect the redline. For those of you who don't know how much RPM increase the upgrades give, here's the list:


ECU Upgrade: moves redline up to 200 RPM
Engine Upgrades: each stage moves redline up to 100 RPM. Upgrading up to Engine Stage 3 will give you a total RPM increase of 300 RPM.
Catalytic Converter: moves redline up to 100 RPM
Exhaust pipes: each level is 100 RPM higher than the previous. Sports Exhaust gives you 100 RPM increase, Semi-Racing gives you 200 RPM, Racing Exhaust gives you 300 RPM.

With this information, any car that can have all of these upgrades will have a total RPM increase of 900 RPM. Since there is quite a big change in RPM, considering these parts is important before setting up your transmission, as fitting or removing these parts (except for the Engine upgrades) after tuning your transmission will definitely give you different gear ratios which will leave you confused most of the time.

 

[JK83]

Outeke + bold + italic + underlined

Well, any new proofs from tit or tat side?

Some peoples just can't be wrong..

But proofs was reason why daan merged and reopened this thread 👍

Without this post it wouldn't never happen...

Closing this as once again above member is just trying to start crap. I have proof for everything I've listed so I know it to be fact.

you can see mine crap now above 👍

Goodbye.

 

[GTP_CargoRatt]

You know, I wasn't going to respond anymore to this thread but allow me one last post to respond since Outeke and a few of his little trading buddies are jumping on the "take a shot at CargoRat" bandwagon. First, its funny how none of you three hardly ever, if at all, post in these seseonal threads but all of a sudden here you all are from the Market Place to take your shots or put your two cents in.

Secondly, it doesn't have anything to do with manning up. I locked the thread after JK posted because I knew this very thing would happen. All you guys from the Market Place that have an ax to grind with me would be in here to take your shots or otherwise start drama. Well look, here you all are just as predicted.

And third. I'm not the tit for tat side. If you bothered to read, I have no way of providing proof. No camera or video camera. My only proof is my notes which I took while testing this stuff out.

Just because you guys apparently got in trouble for your previous behavior, that does not give you the right to continuously take your digs at me. Now, as I said before, you won't have to worry about it anymore as I am done here. You all have made it quite clear that I am not qualified to be helping people or giving advice and thats fine, I accept that and will be on my way. As you all have taken over the Market Place forums, you can have this forum too. Any further posts by you Outeke or any of your followers will not be responded to by me. I'm done here, you guys win. Have a nice life.

 

[cbastjan7]

Hey I don't want to burst your bubble, but if you're interested in setting up a 6 geared transmission you should try with 1 3 5 7 9, then adjust gears to the track.
Cbastjan

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

You know, I wasn't going to respond anymore to this thread but allow me one last post to respond since Outeke and a few of his little trading buddies are jumping on the "take a shot at CargoRat" bandwagon. First, its funny how none of you three hardly ever, if at all, post in these seseonal threads but all of a sudden here you all are from the Market Place to take your shots or put your two cents in.

Secondly, it doesn't have anything to do with manning up. I locked the thread after JK posted because I knew this very thing would happen. All you guys from the Market Place that have an ax to grind with me would be in here to take your shots or otherwise start drama. Well look, here you all are just as predicted.

And third. I'm not the tit for tat side. If you bothered to read, I have no way of providing proof. No camera or video camera. My only proof is my notes which I took while testing this stuff out.

Just because you guys apparently got in trouble for your previous behavior, that does not give you the right to continuously take your digs at me. Now, as I said before, you won't have to worry about it anymore as I am done here. You all have made it quite clear that I am not qualified to be helping people or giving advice and thats fine, I accept that and will be on my way. As you all have taken over the Market Place forums, you can have this forum too. Any further posts by you Outeke or any of your followers will not be responded to by me. I'm done here, you guys win. Have a nice life.

I`m grateful for your help and input mate

 

[Outeke]

I`m grateful for your help and input mate

Everybody I would, if it was facts and not fiction.

But the problem is his derogatory behavior. Addressing people from the market place as "little" buddies. Just because they happen to be friends of mine and not his.

But enough said in this thread.

 

[te?]

I understand that cargorat is trying to help out the community and it is really a good thing from my point of view but some of his information was wrong. Im not saying that i know everything or im a smartass or whatever but i posted also for the benefit of this thread and i hope i am not being blamed for what ive posted. I just wanted to clear things out so that people who dont have enough knowledge about transmissions could learn something about my post.

@Cargorat, dude seriously dont just go away like that its a good thing you are trying to help out others and theres really nothing wrong with it but you have to accept if people are also contributing and correcting some false information. I am sure that we @ GTP wouldnt want wrong information being sent out to those people who are just constantly lurking and reading here to get good information about whatever they need on Gran Turismo.

Hope there wouldnt be more beef in this thread cheers guys!

 

[Dynamite_Dave]

Everybody would, if it was facts and not fiction.

But the problem is his derogatory behavior. Addressing people from the market place as "little" buddies. Just because they happen to be friends of mine and not his.

But enough said in this thread.

speak for yourself............

 

[Snow_leopard]

In my personal opinion i say that what can chage the tranny setup for example lest say.
You get a honda s2000 NCD and post the list of part you buy and this hapend to me tring to copy the tunes of amuse s2000 r1 made by ich122 https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6782470#post6782470
You can see the list of part he have in that car and the hp is 280hp/207kw mine was fully tuned and i did the engien limiter to get to that hp but the car was not acting like my friends that have the same car but he just did it as the one as in the post.
The reason of this was like =drifting24/7= mention it in this thread cus mine have engien stage 1,2,3 and all the other part my car have more rpms but in any way didnt chage the tranny rattios
Ps sorry for my english

 

[krenkme]

Sorry I'm a little late here but, if I understand what all this is about is simple.

When building a tune get all the parts needed to reach your desired performance points level, then build the transmission. Adding horse power components will alter the numbers (min/max), so make sure you follow the tuners set up and all will be good.

In closing set the transmission last to make sure you get the numbers correct.

Thanks