Senna Fatal Crash

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At the risk of some understatement, there's been a fair bit of debate on this - the Italian manslaughter prosecution revolved a broken steering column in the Williams, which I always took to be the reason.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
At the risk of some understatement, there's been a fair bit of debate on this - the Italian manslaughter prosecution revolved a broken steering column in the Williams, which I always took to be the reason.
They never established whether the steering shaft broke before or during the crash. It had been spliced to make it shorter, and forensics showed that the weld was fatiguing, but approximately 50% of the cross section showed that it had snapped at the time, not in the weeks before the accident.

It is also known that Senna had the car set flat down on the bumpstops, in order to keep up with Schumacher's better car. It was therefore very susceptible to bottoming out, but I don't know if that would likely cause the car to suddenly turn violently outside like it did. I would think it would just cause the car to understeer and go straight.

My theory is that a second gunman on the grassy knoll fired when the Umbrella Man opened and closed his umbrella.
 
after all these years, it's still under investigation...


we'll never know what happened, i think...
 
The stearing coloum broke beacause it was never placed properly, and the FIA rules where cars had to be atleast 1cm off the ground was something that played a part in it too, once the susspension collapsed, the car couldn't turn and it went straight into the wall causing thta fatal crash :(
 
Well what ever the reason, I still feel bad everytime I hear of it, I still remember watching the race at 4:50 am on ESPN when he crashed I just knew he couldnt make it out of that, and what really pissed me off was how long it took the ****ing medics to get to him. it was almost over a minute. :mad: If you guys remember watching the first corner worker walk up to the car and kinda jump back. I wonder what he saw????
 
It wasn't the actual crash that killed him. A tyre detached as his car hit the wall and hit him in the face
 
yeah..

i saw a short documentery on it. they diddnt come to a conclusion but they reckoned at the speed he was going, when the car bottomed out for a split second the car jupmed out of the track and hit the wall.
 
Originally posted by TVRKing
It wasn't the actual crash that killed him. A tyre detached as his car hit the wall and hit him in the face
Um - it was gorier than that. A piece of the front suspension entered his head just above his right eye.
 
Originally posted by TALONclaw
The suspension penetrated the visor?

Ive seen a picture of the helmet, and the hole looks too small to be a suspension piece... probably a part of the chasis...

It doesnt matter anyways...just look at his helmet....


I thought the visor was to protect against objects propelled at 300 kph?

The wheel teathers they have now are a joke...Ive seen lose tires detatch from the cars and fly everywhere...
 
I was under the impression from things I've seen and heard that Senna didn't actually try to take the corner, and was in fact unconsious before he made it to to the corner, which was why he didn't turn. I do remember that Williams were cleared of all charges (or at least I think they were).
 
Originally posted by f1king
Well what ever the reason, I still feel bad everytime I hear of it, I still remember watching the race at 4:50 am on ESPN when he crashed I just knew he couldnt make it out of that, and what really pissed me off was how long it took the ****ing medics to get to him. it was almost over a minute. :mad: If you guys remember watching the first corner worker walk up to the car and kinda jump back. I wonder what he saw????

:confused: If the medics took only a minute to get him out then they did an incredible job. I work part time at Mosport on the trackside Medical team and have removed people from crushed Formula 2000, Atlantic, and F2's and its no easy task. If his injuries were as severe as vat said then he was likely already dead. An impailed object to the brain as well as a high speed impact would almost certainly caused near instant death. At least he didn't feel it. :cry:
 
From what Ive seen, it looks as though the object that penetrated his visor did it before he hit the wall, while he was in the turn, and he immediatly went uncounsious and hit the wall.

I think he may have hit debri from a previous crash and his tire propelled it into his visor during the turn, then he lost control and went straight into the wall.
 
Either that or he bottomed out, I watched the video from Shcumacers car following him, and I saw some sparks come from below the car a split second before his car went straight.

I dont buy the broken steering wheel coloumn, that could have easily broke in the crash, I remember Ken Schrader in NASCAR tear up his stearing wheel after crashing at Daytona
 
Originally posted by Earth
From what Ive seen, it looks as though the object that penetrated his visor did it before he hit the wall, while he was in the turn, and he immediatly went uncounsious and hit the wall.

I think he may have hit debris from a previous crash and his tire propelled it into his visor during the turn, then he lost control and went straight into the wall.

No - the suspension piece that penetrated his helment was from the car's front right wheel that broke off in the impact - this accident was a major part of the impetus behind the introduction of wheel tethers.

The Italian manslaughter prosecution revolved around the snapping of the steering column before impact, and they allegedly had metallurgical evidence that the column snapped at the point of a weld (which was done a day or so previously at Senna's request to lower the wheel's position in the cockpit) prior to impact.

The video does show a spark from the undertray of Senna's Williams just prior to it going straight on - it could well be that the car hit debris which broke the steering column. Unfortunately the only guy who knows for sure died in the incident.

That was a horrific weekend. I remember hearing on Sunday morning that Ratzenberger had died in practice, and seeing the horrendous footage of both that accident and Barrichello's flying into the top of the catch fencing.

And then, that fearful started with Lehto getting severely rear ended on the grid, and then THAT crash - the race finished early in the morning Australian time (around 1 am or so), and I remember going to bed after the race with the report of Senna being gravely ill ringin in my ears.

I got up at 6 am to get ready to go to work and Senna dying was the lead news story. I spent about the next week in shock - and in the following weeks, Wendlinger knocked himself into a coma at Monaco basically finishing his GP, Pedro Lamy destroyed his legs after going over a fence at Silverstone in testing (I remember a great quote from one of the Lotus managers 'the biggest piece left of the car was Pedro') - it was a sickening couple of months.
 
Formula 1 seems safe now, I dont think they lost a driver since Senna.

I wonder what happened to that last 3 seconds of video of the incar camera? What is the FIA covering up?

Ive always been against Forumla 1's quick clean up or no clean up at all of debris after crashes, it may have well cost the life of their best driver. This years monaco GP, one of the Jordans I believe crashed at the end of the tunnel, with debris everywhere, but the cars still traveled over that area at top speed... I think a car blew a tire later on in the race because of debris on the track. When is F1 going to learn that full course caution is the thing to do after any non fender bender accident?

Now they have more tire barries, more run off road, etc, but I think they need better wheel teathers
 
Originally posted by f1king
They sure do need a full course yellow.

They do have one - they just use it a lot more sparingly than CART (eg. no 'surface deterioration' yellows when the leader looks like getting away in the last ten laps).
 
TLC is running a special called "Collisions" and it airs thursday night at 10 et time for you American viewers it is supposed to explain Senna's crash.
 
To bad i was too young too really appriciate his skill
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I'm very glad F1 doesn't use a full course yellow much. Stupid artificial racing creator that it is.

I don't remember anyone having problems thanks to sato bits.
 
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