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How much does this tuning option play a part in your tuning theories? Where is your sensitivity level set at? I personally have mine set to 7 because i like the quick steering response, but i also find that it makes my steering a bit jerky at times.
 
it depends on your controller of choice. the joystick works best at 7, race wheels are set all over the scale, depends on how quick you want the car to respond and turn
 
I use 1, 0 for X2011. I tried X2011 at 2 once. It was one of those "don't try this at home" kind of things.
 
My controller sensitive is -2 . Is it make any different between two racer using the same car with the same tuning but defferent sensitive ???!
 
I have a DFGT but I use the DS3 for seasonals fairly often and sometimes for tuning cars for DS3 users. I found that setting it on -2 really helps with tire wear and for precision cornering. The only time I set it any higher is if a course has a tight hairpin that is hard to negotiate at -2.
 
Since I use a controller at the moment, I have it between -2 and 0, mostly at -2. The track never plays a role in what I set it at, only the car.

As soon as I get a wheel again though, I will probably have the sensitivity at 6 or 7, because I don't mess up with a wheel (at least with the real and simulator ones I've used so far), and I don't need any buffer between my intentions and the vehicle's reaction.
 
Bye Ya
I never seemed to notice any difference between default and +7 with my G27.
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Thats because it doesn't work with steering wheels. It only works for non steering wheel controllers like the person a few posts up stated.
 
S2
Since I use a controller at the moment, I have it between -2 and 0, mostly at -2. The track never plays a role in what I set it at, only the car.

As soon as I get a wheel again though, I will probably have the sensitivity at 6 or 7, because I don't mess up with a wheel (at least with the real and simulator ones I've used so far), and I don't need any buffer between my intentions and the vehicle's reaction.
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Because adjusting the sensitivity setting when you have a wheel works great:dunce::dunce:
 
Hi Nobu,
IMHO controller sensitivity is something that tuners here neglect. Think of it like the ratio of the steering rack. While it theoretically shouldn't change how the car handles, it effects the speed at which the wheels are steered, therefore in (GT5) reality it does have an effect (especially at turn-in).

If the car is too twitchy, try reducing the sensitivity, this might fix it without resorting to adding understeer instead. Likewise for a car that is lethargic, increase the sensitivity before you start taking grip off the rear tyres.

Also, I use it to make the rhythm of the car consistent (ok, this is getting into mystic territory!). To me, a car has a preferred speed in reacting to inputs (eg natural frequency of the suspension). So I also use settings like controller sensitivity and brake strength to match the "speed" of the inputs to how the car wants to react. There are probably better technical reasons for this phenomenon, but this seems to work for me.

Cheers,
Simon
 
What Simon says above is true, sensitivity can help to better control the car without resorting to changing car tune. I have different sensitivity for some cars, most are around -2 / 0, oval tracks works best with -2. For drifting, 0 is the lowest, up to 4 for cars with understeer or underpowered. Less than 0 for drifting would be bad when counter steering, too slow to get full lock IMHO. The faster the car will be when going around corners you might also have lower number like -2 or -1, too much steering will cost time, of course the car balance and driver style also need to taken into account.
 
I don't think the sensitivity setting is affecting the speed of the response, but the range of travel of the front wheels while turning. It affects the turning radius of the car. For example, on a setting of 7, pushing the stick halfway to the left might make the angle of attack of the left front wheel say 30 degrees. With a sensitivity setting of say -2, the angle of attack might only be 20 degrees pushing the stick halfway to the left. I say this because the steering sensitivity setting appears to affect the turning radius of the car, which would also mimic response speed because moving the stick the same distance with different sensitivity's produces less or more steering angle and a smaller or larger turning radius, or so it seems.
 
Johnnypenso
I don't think the sensitivity setting is affecting the speed of the response, but the range of travel of the front wheels while turning. It affects the turning radius of the car. For example, on a setting of 7, pushing the stick halfway to the left might make the angle of attack of the left front wheel say 30 degrees. With a sensitivity setting of say -2, the angle of attack might only be 20 degrees pushing the stick halfway to the left. I say this because the steering sensitivity setting appears to affect the turning radius of the car, which would also mimic response speed because moving the stick the same distance with different sensitivity's produces less or more steering angle and a smaller or larger turning radius, or so it seems.
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bingo.

I have sensitivity on 7 (I use a dual shock controller.) I used a setting of 5 for a very long time, but with the setting on 7, I believe your wheels are turned more with the stick pulled right to the edge. Now for many turns I'm using the stick a little bit away from the limit of it's travel, but for a few turns in a lap, I may use full lock and gain an advantage over someone using a lower sensitivity.
 
Hi MrGrado,
In my experience the quicker laps when using sensitivity 7 is because you can get to the lock you want quicker if you don't have to push the stick as far. I've never found higher sensitivity to reduce understeer when you're exiting with full lock.

This sensitivity issue is closely related to whether GT5 reduces front grip or not if you scrub the tyres (too much steering angle). There is definitely a grip loss if you drive with a wheel, but your experience suggests scrub doesn't apply when using a controller.

Cheers,
Simon
 
bs13
Are you all sure that it doesn't work with certain wheels? https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=248384
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I can also show you dozens of people who will swear on their Momma's grave that the Amateur/Professional/Simulation adjustment works on the DFGT when it doesn't. I think it's just placebo effect and going from car to car convince people it's different when it's not.
 
Johnnypenso
I can also show you dozens of people who will swear on their Momma's grave that the Amateur/Professional/Simulation adjustment works on the DFGT when it doesn't. I think it's just placebo effect and going from car to car convince people it's different when it's not.
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KB18FAN
Yes, I'm absolutely sure as I e-mailed Sony/PD on this very matter several months ago when we had this same debate. Also, what Johnnypenso said.
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No disrespect to you or PD but unless a programmer answered that email I put little faith in a customer service reps answers/guesses. That is just my experience with various companies though.

I have a G27. If I put my DS3 to controller 1 (which I do anyways) and did what Mike says below would it prove that sensitivity works? Or would I need someone else on the track watching my front wheels communicating when they reach lock?

mikeonthebike
Put me on the list. No questions asked IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE with a G27.

If you don't believe it. Try a premium car, set it on negative 2 on the steering and watch the steering wheel with in car view. turn the wheels side to side. Take note how much steering wheel input it takes YOUR wheel to get the wheel on the screen to stop turning either right or left. Then back out and turn it to 7 on the sensitivity and watch how much faster the wheel on the screen in car view turns.

OR you can get in a Formula Gt or a Ferrari Formula and same thing try on negative 2 and try on 7 and watch how much different the front tires turn.
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Ok bs13, you go on believing what you wanna believe. I got my answer straight from the people that developed the game and you still want to argue otherwise. I can see you are in a state of denial right now, lol. You have your opinion, and I have my facts. The e-mail I got was from a guy that actually worked on that part of the game as it was signed as such. If I still have the e-mail, I'll somehow post it so you can see that it was a GT5 tech guy that answered me and not some random customer service rep. Even then, I have a feeling that still may not be good enough for you seeing you're in such denial. Sorry if I sound harsh, but I am so sure of myself on this, I am willing to bet the farm, my first born, or whatever else on this one.
 
bs13
No disrespect to you or PD but unless a programmer answered that email I put little faith in a customer service reps answers/guesses. That is just my experience with various companies though.
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In my answer I referred to the professional/simulation/amateur settings for the DFGT. I didn't get my answer from a customer service rep, I got it from GT5. When you try to use those settings, you see the little icons that represent the different wheels? Well the DFGT icon is not lit up when you try to change those settings, meaning it doesn't apply to that wheel, among others. And yet you'll find dozens of people who will swear up and down that it works with the DFGT. Controller sensitivity is the same thing, the answer is right in the description.
 
Johnnypenso
In my answer I referred to the professional/simulation/amateur settings for the DFGT. I didn't get my answer from a customer service rep, I got it from GT5. When you try to use those settings, you see the little icons that represent the different wheels? Well the DFGT icon is not lit up when you try to change those settings, meaning it doesn't apply to that wheel, among others. And yet you'll find dozens of people who will swear up and down that it works with the DFGT. Controller sensitivity is the same thing, the answer is right in the description.
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I too have given up trying to explain to people this very thing...:banghead:
 

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