Seriously guys...

[RikkiGT-R]

The problem is that like VagabondAngel stated before Ive played GT4 from release to 2010 and GT5 lasted me 2 months and with much less enjoyment.

Same here. I mentioned in another thread that I would go back to GT4 right now if I had a PS2, or could get one anywhere at a fair price.

I still have GT4 in it's case in my cupboard. The very same disc I bought on release day which is in pristine condition. No other game has ever come even close to that kind of enjoyment and value for money. GT5 is a great game by it's own merits, but in comparison to it's forerunners (is that the right word?), it is abysmal.

 

[Vagabond]

I still have GT4 in it's case in my cupboard. The very same disc I bought on release day which is in pristine condition. No other game has ever come even close to that kind of enjoyment and value for money.

Me also... and I am considering digging out my PS2 to make direct comparisons - watch this space.

In a nutshell, for those who fail to understand the perspectives of the "Die Hard" GT fans who are doing much of the complaining (constructive feedback) - many of us actually bought our PS3s and G25s and G27s and Fanatec 911s just to play GT5 based on our enjoyment and appreciation of previous GT games, only to get slapped when it finally arrived.

That kind of loyalty is very rare and should be cherished and nurtured carefully - people are fickle if they think they're being exploited.

 

[TheCracker]

For such a niche gaming community to get a game like this on a console, everyone has something critical to say. I do not get why everyone seems so slighted by PD. You got console industry standard in car physics, It has 200 cars, with full interiors, plus like every other car from the series to date. Plenty of tracks from both reality and fiction. Fun special events and online racing/events. Fairly regular updates, and the guy who made it actually reads and responds to all you arm chair game critics.

PD/Kaz made a rod for their/his own back by producing such a game changer with the original two Gran Turismo titles.

GT1 at the time was like nothing else available. It was more than just a pure racing game, it appealed to people who just loved cars. GT2, although flawed, built upon the original so greatly that fans of the series expect the next installment of the game they so love to always be so much greater, in both size and scope, than the previous one. With all the build up, especially with the relatively large time-gap between games, there is so much anticipation that the game can never hope to deliver everything it's fans expect or hope for.

 

[Griffith500]

Same here. I mentioned in another thread that I would go back to GT4 right now if I had a PS2, or could get one anywhere at a fair price.

I still have GT4 in it's case in my cupboard. The very same disc I bought on release day which is in pristine condition. No other game has ever come even close to that kind of enjoyment and value for money. GT5 is a great game by it's own merits, but in comparison to it's forerunners (is that the right word?), it is abysmal.

I agree, the focus on online aspects (for example) are great, in a sense, but the fact that A-Spec is so thin, is a real disappointment. There's little scope for good racing outside of the online lobbies.

I'm one of those "I bought a PS3 and G25 for GT5" people, too, and I've done my fair share of "complaining".

 

[ElSecundo]

In the context of the discussion itself, non-constructive criticsm leads to flame-wars which leads to the discussion being lost in a sea of insults and battles for personal pride. This community would be better off, first and foremost, if this didn't happen.

If PD and / or Sony are following the community in the manner you debunk, then it'll be an added bonus for us all that they can cut through the 🤬 quickly to find the real concerns.

👍

 

[Rylan]

I think the issue is that the proportion of useful content on these forums, by percentage, diminshes by the day.

There are a lot of people who insist on belittling the game at every opportunity. Yet, despite claiming not to like the game either continue to visit the forums and moan about how they don't play, or continue to both play and moan.

There are valid places to complain about the game to the developer. GT Planet is not that place. However, I accept every community will be prone to some form of complaint and there will be a number of topics.

Sadly, the proportion here is getting out of hand and, in addition to that, a lot of the complaints are completely unjustified. GT1 is not a better game than GT5. GT5 is not worthy of a review of below 80% when compared to the rest of the games on the market. It isn't horribly broken. These are all claims by those whining.

It may not live up to your ideals, your personal reviews might be dissapointing to you, there may be features missing that you'd like to see implemented and features which are in which you'd like to see removed. But I agree with the OPs general theme...there sure is a lot of whining on these forums about GT5.

All I'm saying is try to keep some perspective - a forum full of nothing but whinging quickly becomes a forum of nothing.

 

[Tornado]

I think the issue is that the proportion of useful content on these forums, by percentage, diminshes by the day.

I'm sure I can guess what your opinion of useful content is.

Sadly, the proportion here is getting out of hand and, in addition to that, a lot of the complaints are completely unjustified. GT1 is not a better game than GT5. GT5 is not worthy of a review of below 80% when compared to the rest of the games on the market. It isn't horribly broken. These are all claims by those whining.

"I hate when people say opinions that aren't mine because they are clearly wrong."

 

[shigllgetcha]

This.

If everybody always took what they were given and asked for no more we'd still be living in caves and scratching images into the rock for fun. There'd be no PS3's and no GT5.

👍 complainers. You play a vital role in the evolution of Gran Turismo.

+1

This game could have been so much more, and was promised to be

You can still be critical of a game and still like it at the end of the day.

 

[Outlaws]

Rylan, got at what I really want better than me. I would much rather just play the game and enjoy it rather than fret over this or that.

 

[Griffith500]

I'm sure I can guess what your opinion of useful content is.


"I hate when people say opinions that aren't mine because they are clearly wrong."

I'm assuming there's bad blood here, or some other form of prejudice going on, but I'll risk it...

I agree with Rylan's post, with the caveat that "useful" to me means statements that don't begin and end with "such-and-such feature sucks" or "this is unacceptable after 6 years". These are givens, we know this, let's progress and see if we can't build something from this to inspire ourselves and PD to "do better".

What we need are suggestions for improvement that don't simply say "game x did this, why can't GT5?" - PD / GT needs new ideas, stuff that has never been done (or never been done well / properly) before, not simply to ape the competition.
Perspective, "bigger picture" etc. are key words for the future of GT, and our enjoyment of it. Not "more of the same" (be it from the GT series, or other games).

Granted, this doesn't cover why GT5 falls behind GT4 in some aspects, but only PD could really answer that.

 

[ElSecundo]

I've wondered whether players new to the GT franchise (have never played another version of GT) like the game or not.

We seem to have a lot of experience, collectively, playing various versions of GT. It seems that many of the complaints are based on what GT used to be like. Would someone who's never played before hate the game, would they be blown away by it, or would they be somewhere in between?

Several people say how blown away they were by GT4 -- but if a game of GT4's standards came out today, it would get pummelled. It was great for its time, so I wonder if the GT5 experience has been jaded by what's gone before.

 

[Rylan]

I'm sure I can guess what your opinion of useful content is.

I'm fairly sure you can't so I'll fill you in.

I use this forum to entertain me on slow days at work. I use it to discuss tracks, cars, strategies, tactics and experiences I've had with others who also seek similar experiences.

But there are certain conversations which are ruined by one faction or another and it's getting harder and harder to find those likeminded people when they're drowned out by people who are whining. Constructive criticism with a full explanation of why they feel things are broken and what they could suggest as a way to fix it rate highly with me. Posts from the technically incompetent telling us that PD have ruined the game get a click on the back button.

"I hate when people say opinions that aren't mine because they are clearly wrong."

Everyone has the right to an opinion but it doesn't mean that everyone's opinion is right. There's a thread up on the forums asking for the rating of GT5 and there are people giving it 20% and 30% scores like anyone will take that person seriously. If your personal review of a game is that you don't like it, fine. If you seriously believe that a game of this quality if worthy of such a review, idiocy.

The game isn't horribly broken. There are millions of players around the world having a blast with it.

 

[tinram]

I've wondered whether players new to the GT franchise (have never played another version of GT) like the game or not.

We seem to have a lot of experience, collectively, playing various versions of GT. It seems that many of the complaints are based on what GT used to be like. Would someone who's never played before hate the game, would they be blown away by it, or would they be somewhere in between?

Several people say how blown away they were by GT4 -- but if a game of GT4's standards came out today, it would get pummelled. It was great for its time, so I wonder if the GT5 experience has been jaded by what's gone before.

I have been playing GT since GT1, got the PS2 and PS3 specifically for the GT series I'm enjoying the game, i'm collecting cars, playing online, tuning etc. There can be some improvements but i have no complaints.

Seems to me some folks are just so spoiled that they can't enjoy a game for what it is (you don't like it don't play it).. Every time i get in here there is always either a complaint thread or a thread that ended up as a complaint thread, it's fracking annoying! Go build your selves a "ihategt5.com" blog/forum site and waste the bandwidth there!

 

[Griffith500]

I have been playing GT since GT1, got the PS2 and PS3 specifically for the GT series (you don't like it don't play it). I'm enjoying the game, i'm collecting cars, playing online, tuning etc. There can be some improvements but i have no complaints.

Seems to me some folks are just so spoiled that they can't enjoy a game for what it is. Every time i get in here there is always either a complaint thread or a thread that ended up as a complaint thread, it's fracking annoying! Go build your selves a "ihategt5.com" blog/forum site and waste the bandwidth there!

I believe the biggest issue is that the game isn't what, for whatever reason, a lot of people were expecting. They were hoping to be enjoying a game somewhat different to what they've got.

How much of that is PD's fault is debatable, (and I'm hoping people won't want to enlighten me - I have my own opinions).

I personally am enjoying GT5 for what it is, though. 👍

 

[yoman297]

Ahh goody, another complaining that others are complaining thread. Good stuff.

Watch there be another thread complaining about threads that are complaining that threads are complaining

 

[Tornado]

I'm fairly sure you can't so I'll fill you in.

If you seriously believe that a game of this quality if worthy of such a review, idiocy.

It looks like I guessed exactly right.

The game isn't horribly broken. There are millions of players around the world having a blast with it.

A game that I've directly seen that same argument used for.


I'm not saying GT5 is "horribly broken," but "everyone likes it but you" is not an argument that proves otherwise.

 

[ElSecundo]

I believe the biggest issue is that the game isn't what, for whatever reason, a lot of people were expecting.

I agree, it seems to be a matter of expectations. I'd guess that GT5 Prologue raised the expectations to a very high level. Based on what I've seen of Prologue, the expectations for GT5 would have been sky-high.

Maybe a poll about who played Prologue and what their expectations were would provide some interesting information.

 

[TwIsTeD_83]

I just wanted a Gran Turismo game for my Ps3 and thats what I got.
Haters gonna hate.

 

[Rylan]

I'm assuming there's bad blood here, or some other form of prejudice going on, but I'll risk it...

I'm not aware of any.

If you seriously believe that a game of this quality is worthy of such a review, idiocy. - It looks like I guessed exactly right.

You're making a common mistake here frequently made by bad journalists - I don't like the game therefore I'll give it a low score. They don't last long, they're not very good, and their material isn't worth reading.

A good reviewer, or a consumer making a worthwhile point, is able to be subjective, to be able to say I personally do not like this but believe it is a good game which will be enjoyed by many. They are able to put aside their own personal feelings and rate a game on it's own merits. Anything less is infantile.

I can point out a long list of things in this game which are wrong. The mechanical damage isn't brilliant, some of the graphics on the cars are very low resolution, I'd like a "Create Your Own Race" feature where you choose a track and car and the AI drives cars of a similar power and class.

But I can still say this game is a AAA title and those missing features don't make the game unenjoyable. Half of the features people complain about arent even evident when you're doing 200mph and your arse cheeks are clenched because you put the brakes on too late.


And this is why I don't hold your comment regarding Shadow the Hedgehog in high regards. Just because you might not like it doesn't mean it's a bad game. I personally cannot stand any Mario games but I have to accept they're decent games.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

I find it incredible that so many people take offence at people who complain and 'dis' PD for GT5.

PD took the world by storm when they released Gran Turismo; they raised the bar with GT2, pushed the boundaries with GT3 and set a new standard with GT4. But GT5... I dunno, it's almost a parody of Gran Turismo games, like another company tried to copy PD.

They set incredibly high standards for years, continually improved and then made us wait 6 years for GT5; we were promised it would be the racing game to end all racing games; the biggest game on PS3 (it was certainly the most anticipated); the flagship title of the entire console's lifetime. But it's just a very weak game which exacerbates all of the previous GT's problems because it should be so much more. All that time working on it, on a system as advanced [in console terms] as the Playstation 3. The worst about it is the fact that most of the games problems are actually born of conscious decisions by the development team.

Was there as much apathy, anger and complaining about any other Gran Turismo game (prologues excepted)? There was no damage model (and there still isn't), and the AI was dumb but aside from that I can't think of anything else wrong with them, especially GT4. I could write page upon page about GT5's problems...

 

[tinram]

Watch there be another thread complaining about threads that are complaining that threads are complaining

I just wish complaints would into the "official" complaint thread otherwise known as "Is anyone else disappointed with GT5? ", Instead of hijacking a thread or creating a new one. With 100+ pages, most if not all your complaints are already in there, and complainers will have some sympathetic ears to boot. How awesome is that?

 

[TRC GeorgiaDawg]

Watch there be another thread complaining about threads that are complaining that threads are complaining

LOL, it's ridiculous isn't it. Reading through this thread it's like melodrama on steroids. They talk down and flame away at people with complaints, at the same time expecting everyone to hold their opinion up on a pedestal as fact. Next they'll tell you they're "tired of reading" the complaints. As if someone is holding a gun to their head forcing them to read complaints.

I say thank god for the complainers. They're the only ones providing any real usable feedback for developers on any site, not just this one. The rosey fanboys who think everything is perfect all the time are worthless from a feedback perspective. Sadly, it's usually those types coming into threads they claim they don't care about, don't want to read, and don't agree with tossing the biggest flamebombs.

History rewards complainers. George Washington and the American revolutionaries were all complainers. Martin Luther King, big complainer. Don't like historical examples....look no further than GTA. One could say that those against the cutting and wallbashing were all just a bunch of complainers. Again, thankfully those complainers were around to voice their opinions and enact change.

 

[JeffKill]

I will admit that I am guilty of complaining about the complainers

I have decided that it's not worth the time it takes to type it out though. I have no problem with people not liking this game, I know it's far from perfect.

My biggest issue is that you really have a hard time trying to find any useful information on this site, due to the fact that almost every thread (no matter what the topic), turns into a "what I don't like about GT5" thread.

It would be nice to not have to dig through a bunch of BS just to find a bit a useful info.

But Im done complaining about complainers. So complain away complainers 👍

 

[Rush09]

I dont know how can you compare GT3 and GT4 with GT5 that now has a little new thing added called Online Mode.
I much rather race against living people i serius organized event than the boring A-spec in wich I get no thrill at all and becouse of online mode in GT5 it is bay far my favourite in the series.

 

[GTShadowKing]

To the OP: I agree with you, but in my opinion this is how things work:
You like the game: then enjoy it
You don't like the game: easy, just return it and play something else
So don't whine!

 

[RikkiGT-R]

To the OP: I agree with you, but in my opinion this is how things work:
You like the game: then enjoy it
You don't like the game: easy, just return it and play something else
So don't whine!

Easier said than done when it's a game you waited a long time for, invested a lot of money in (I bought a PS3 FOR Gran Turismo 5, as well as the Signature Edition = about £400), and can't actually return for a refund unless the disc itself is faulty

 

[Stigsblkcousin]

I think a bunch of people are pissed because they are just now realizing that hype trains only take one-way trips to disappointment, and there's no way their beloved PD/Sony/GT just pulled a rope-a-dope on them.

The fanboys are not the ones defending the game, the real fanboys are the people that are enraged that the game didn't turn out to be the best thing since sliced bread. By the time 6 is released, those same people will have forgotten all about the disappointment in GT5 in the midst of all the excitement of a new GT.

 

[GTShadowKing]

Easier said than done when it's a game you waited a long time for, invested a lot of money in (I bought a PS3 FOR Gran Turismo 5, as well as the Signature Edition = about £400), and can't actually return for a refund unless the disc itself is faulty

I feel your pain mate (if the game was that bad)
But there is an even easier solution!!!:idea:Enjoy what life has to offer, don't worry about the release day of a game (or it will take longer), and NEVER buy a console for playing A game WITHOUT reading reviews first
Just some thoughts...

 

[GTShadowKing]

But how can people NOT get tired of a game if they only play it for 2 months (this means keep playing the same thing for 2 months)? It even looks like there is nothing else out there...

 

[marcandre187]

I would like to register a complaint about the complainers complaining about complaints from complainers complaining.