Should there be a way to stop draft dodgers?

[BonzoHarry]

I understand a lot of people seem to feel like drafting is cheating or unfair or whatever, but it's a part of racing and I'm really getting tired of watching people auto-x down the front straight trying to keep people out of their draft.

Of course there's no realistic way of fixing this, so anything PD does to remedy the situation will be deemed unrealistic. I guess if the cars were closer matched then by swerving the driver would actually only be hurting himself, but since the GT LM can swerve all over the track and still out accelerate every other car, there's no reason not to do it I guess...

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

My personal semi-solution to this problem, is to angle my car slightly so I gradually move across the track as I drive down the straight.

The draft dodgers seem to get fed up with moving their car out of the way and I usually get at least 1/2 to 1/4 of the straight at Suzuka to slipstream.

 

[Fujiwara-kun]

You dont really need to fix this as if your a faster driver you should catch up in corners.

People who sway around during the straights are either...

Complete noobs of the game and cant drive clean and fast or...
Drifters who drift the straights


A friend told me that someone did that to him at HSR. Funny thing was that he snapped the car and spun

 

[Stevisiov]

I understand a lot of people seem to feel like drafting is cheating or unfair or whatever, but it's a part of racing and I'm really getting tired of watching people auto-x down the front straight trying to keep people out of their draft.

Of course there's no realistic way of fixing this, so anything PD does to remedy the situation will be deemed unrealistic. I guess if the cars were closer matched then by swerving the driver would actually only be hurting himself, but since the GT LM can swerve all over the track and still out accelerate every other car, there's no reason not to do it I guess...

The best thing PD could do really is reduce the drafting effect to more realistic levels, its already OTT reducing it may not help the car behind but in real racing a car swerving around the track to stop the person behind drafting would loose loads of time compared to the car behind so it wouldn't make sense to try and prevent the car behind from drafting, however because the draft effect is so strong in gt5p its acctually more benificial for the car infornt to weave around to prevent the person behind drafting which is why there is so much weaving going on in GT5P.

The best thing to do against someone who is trying to stop you slipstreaming is to weave with them but to a lesser extent this means you will loose less speed than them weaving but you will still catch most of the slipstream.

You dont really need to fix this as if your a faster driver you should catch up in corners.

You may be able to catch them in the corners but you won't be able to pass them cleanly most likely in the corners unless you know you are racing a very clean driver.

People who sway around during the straights are either...

Complete noobs of the game and cant drive clean and fast or...

Agreed

Drifters who drift the straights

Shouldn't be too hard to pas them then

 

[Fujiwara-kun]

You may be able to catch them in the corners but you won't be able to pass them cleanly most likely in the corners unless you know you are racing a very clean driver.

Very good point. Suzuka's safest place for overtaking is mainly the straights. Anywhere else one mistake = GAME OVER (not really)

Well the driver should hopefully suck and go off to play with sand castles or a wall or something.


I really do hate traffic at Suzuka at times ( I wait at the back, dont wanna get knocked at T1)

 

[profi]

The best thing PD could do really is reduce the drafting effect to more realistic levels, its already OTT reducing it may not help the car behind but in real racing a car swerving around the track to stop the person behind drafting would loose loads of time compared to the car behind so it wouldn't make sense to try and prevent the car behind from drafting, however because the draft effect is so strong in gt5p its acctually more benificial for the car infornt to weave around to prevent the person behind drafting which is why there is so much weaving going on in GT5P.

That is right...
I also think that if the slipstream effect would be reduced it would be more realistic.

 

[Fujiwara-kun]

That is right...
I also think that if the slipstream effect would be reduced it would be more realistic.

I agree but it might cause problems for the punted

HSR is a fine example. Drafting is a key tactic here. Theres a good chance that people starting at the back will not any move up to podiums with all the traffic and punters.

That reminds me I was recording for a friend of online 800PP I get stuck traffic and last lap from 11th to 2nd and I draft the last corner straight and the 1st racer. Rams me (funny thing is he spins and I take 1st, all on camera for laughing )

Wait that reminds me what about blocking >.<

 

[supersonic-88]

Draft dodgers really annoy me. Especially since im usually only racing on suzuka so the straights are the only places to pass cleanly. If somebody wants to weave all over the place on the straights then usually i dont bother with them & just stay on my line & i manage to pass them somewhere else.

What frustrates me more though are drivers who when they see you pull out of their draft, move over to block you. The other day at suzuka i was right behind another car coming onto the back straight, i pull out of the draft to pass & as soon as i do that, the car in front moves right over to block me, in the process hitting me off & causing me to slam into the barriers

Or also the guys who drive down the left hand side of the back straight at suzuka so even if you are able to draft them, because they will end up on the inside of the next corner (130R) you pretty much have to give them that corner & aren't able to pass.

I don't see what the big problem is with drivers letter others past if they have drafted you. Its like they have an ego problem where they cant possibly let another driver pass easily, no matter what the position may be.

 

[Felixthebat]

Wow, I saw that draft dodger thing, and came in here all heated. Guess it was all for not.....

 

[NapoleonMikey]

Draft dodgers really annoy me. Especially since im usually only racing on suzuka so the straights are the only places to pass cleanly. If somebody wants to weave all over the place on the straights then usually i dont bother with them & just stay on my line & i manage to pass them somewhere else.

What frustrates me more though are drivers who when they see you pull out of their draft, move over to block you. The other day at suzuka i was right behind another car coming onto the back straight, i pull out of the draft to pass & as soon as i do that, the car in front moves right over to block me, in the process hitting me off & causing me to slam into the barriers

Or also the guys who drive down the left hand side of the back straight at suzuka so even if you are able to draft them, because they will end up on the inside of the next corner (130R) you pretty much have to give them that corner & aren't able to pass.

I don't see what the big problem is with drivers letter others past if they have drafted you. Its like they have an ego problem where they cant possibly let another driver pass easily, no matter what the position may be.

the blocking i dont mind seeeing as in all real racing it happens. i just think the people who have to use more then one move to block need to stop. like in almost all racing series the lead driver is alowed one move to block so if im going down the straight and someone is drafting behind and i know hes going to go down the inside i will use my one move to move to the inside just as hes about to move. thus the trail driver will have to either go further inside or try and pass on the outside. either way if the FIA and ACO find it fair then i find it fair.

as for the driving down the inside line. hey hes the lead driver he is aloud to choose his line. if hes taking the inside line i would just go down the perfered line and try to carry more speed thru the turn knowing that he will have to break more to get through the turn. wither way both are legitimate ways of racing and you will see it in real world racing as well. look at the 2007 ALMS race at laguna seca. the final turn the audi knew the only way he could not have the penske porsche pass was to just drive down the inside line and force him to go outside. a fair move that won him the race. just because other drivers are using fair legitimate racing tactics and you arent dosnt mean that hes a noob it might mean hes just thought the race through and knows what he needs to do to win. as long as he dosnt hit another car or do any illegal moves i find it all fair you even see moves like that done in Formula 1 so if the best drivers are doing it then maybe you should rethink your driving tactics and realize its not always the fastest best driver who wins a race but the driver who has the best strategy for the race.

 

[supersonic-88]

the blocking i dont mind seeeing as in all real racing it happens. i just think the people who have to use more then one move to block need to stop. like in almost all racing series the lead driver is alowed one move to block so if im going down the straight and someone is drafting behind and i know hes going to go down the inside i will use my one move to move to the inside just as hes about to move. thus the trail driver will have to either go further inside or try and pass on the outside. either way if the FIA and ACO find it fair then i find it fair.

as for the driving down the inside line. hey hes the lead driver he is aloud to choose his line. if hes taking the inside line i would just go down the perfered line and try to carry more speed thru the turn knowing that he will have to break more to get through the turn. wither way both are legitimate ways of racing and you will see it in real world racing as well. look at the 2007 ALMS race at laguna seca. the final turn the audi knew the only way he could not have the penske porsche pass was to just drive down the inside line and force him to go outside. a fair move that won him the race. just because other drivers are using fair legitimate racing tactics and you arent dosnt mean that hes a noob it might mean hes just thought the race through and knows what he needs to do to win. as long as he dosnt hit another car or do any illegal moves i find it all fair you even see moves like that done in Formula 1 so if the best drivers are doing it then maybe you should rethink your driving tactics and realize its not always the fastest best driver who wins a race but the driver who has the best strategy for the race.

I can understand & agree with some of your points there but maybe i didnt explain enough in my post.

Yes its perfectly fine for a driver to move over once when i am drafting them, thats all good. What i was saying was it has happened to me a number of times now, when i have a huge draft on a driver i come up right behind them pull out to make the move & then they instantly cut across to block me, touching my car in the process & causing me to have a big accident. Now that is different from real life racing. One because in real life the drivers move over a bit earlier than that, not right as the car behind pulls out & is now at least partially side by side & secondly they dont do it because it risks both their & the other drivers race. If someone wants to move over to block a drafting car, then in my opinion they should do it before the driver behind them pulls out & has any part of their car side by side.

Its all dependent on the speed the car behind has with the draft. Sure if the car behind has a similar speed so when they pull out they'd slowly go by the other car then maybe the car in front cutting across to block might be ok & not cause accidents. What im talking about though is when you have a BIG draft & are much faster, pretty much as soon as you've pulled out to do the pass, you already have at least your nose along side their bumper/rear wheels. Thats when it gets dangerous & causes accidents.

For driving down the inside of the entire straight, i didnt say they couldnt do it. Of course they can, i just think its a dirty tactic, especially when they do it every single lap on every single straight. And its not always as simple as stay on your normal line & you can pass them as they'd have to brake more for the corner. What they do is stick to the inside then when the corner comes up, they move back to the racing line, thus allowing them to take the corner at their normal speed, so there is no loss at all for them.

Where am i calling drivers noobs, i dont remember saying that anywhere. Im the one who stays on the racing line & lets people draft by me. I dont think my driving needs a rethink and if the only or preferred way to win the race is to be smarter & have the best strategy by cutting across on drivers who are drafting me & every lap driving down the inside of the straights, then id rather not win at all & have fun driving with others who at least try to race hard but respectfully.

 

[NapoleonMikey]

I can understand & agree with some of your points there but maybe i didnt explain enough in my post.

Yes its perfectly fine for a driver to move over once when i am drafting them, thats all good. What i was saying was it has happened to me a number of times now, when i have a huge draft on a driver i come up right behind them pull out to make the move & then they instantly cut across to block me, touching my car in the process & causing me to have a big accident. Now that is different from real life racing. One because in real life the drivers move over a bit earlier than that, not right as the car behind pulls out & is now at least partially side by side & secondly they dont do it because it risks both their & the other drivers race. If someone wants to move over to block a drafting car, then in my opinion they should do it before the driver behind them pulls out & has any part of their car side by side.

Its all dependent on the speed the car behind has with the draft. Sure if the car behind has a similar speed so when they pull out they'd slowly go by the other car then maybe the car in front cutting across to block might be ok & not cause accidents. What im talking about though is when you have a BIG draft & are much faster, pretty much as soon as you've pulled out to do the pass, you already have at least your nose along side their bumper/rear wheels. Thats when it gets dangerous & causes accidents.

For driving down the inside of the entire straight, i didnt say they couldnt do it. Of course they can, i just think its a dirty tactic, especially when they do it every single lap on every single straight. And its not always as simple as stay on your normal line & you can pass them as they'd have to brake more for the corner. What they do is stick to the inside then when the corner comes up, they move back to the racing line, thus allowing them to take the corner at their normal speed, so there is no loss at all for them.

Where am i calling drivers noobs, i dont remember saying that anywhere. Im the one who stays on the racing line & lets people draft by me. I dont think my driving needs a rethink and if the only or preferred way to win the race is to be smarter & have the best strategy by cutting across on drivers who are drafting me & every lap driving down the inside of the straights, then id rather not win at all & have fun driving with others who at least try to race hard but respectfully.

ok yea i see your point in the drafting part of course if your already side by side then theres no point to coming over and blocking thats just ramming.

but yea the second part about the inside line thing did need more clarification.

in that case when he pulls back to the perfered line i would duck under him and break late and attempt the pass then. it would take some time to learn seeing as would would have to avoid him as hes coming over but once hes back on the line you just duck to the inside.

 

[meeekael]

On the last lap I generally just laugh and play on..Its only 5 grand and if im trying to win purely on drafting not because I could pass him on the last few corners then I dont particularly care.

Early on in the race it just shows the poor calibre of the person you are racing against. Clearly you'll be ale to beat them at other parts of the track.

 

[supersonic-88]

ok yea i see your point in the drafting part of course if your already side by side then theres no point to coming over and blocking thats just ramming.

but yea the second part about the inside line thing did need more clarification.

in that case when he pulls back to the prefered line i would duck under him and break late and attempt the pass then. it would take some time to learn seeing as would would have to avoid him as hes coming over but once hes back on the line you just duck to the inside.

Yeah that's what id do too, try to outsmart the people who do that type of stuff I know where you were coming from, with the stuff you said before, ie people can make 1 move to block & also in specific circumstances can drive down the inside line of the straight (like your ALMS reference). Problem is some of the dirty drivers expose & try and take advantage of these rules and the stuff i mentioned happens. Moving over on someone who is drafting, even though they may already have some part of their car side by side (causing big accidents) or driving down the inside of every straight on each lap. That's where the problem lies & unfortunately at the moment there's no way to regulate those rules so people get away with it

 

[Rusty*]

Draft dodgers really annoy me.
I don't see what the big problem is with drivers letter others past if they have drafted you. Its like they have an ego problem where they cant possibly let another driver pass easily, no matter what the position may be.

While I think that 'Draft dodger's are...
But yeah I have had 'dirty' racer's block and effectively punt me off the track by preventing me form pasing down the straight, yes this can be frustrating.
I don't really care if they swerve all over the place trying to prevent me from drafting, so long as they don't punt me off when I try to pass. It just makes me more determined to beat them.
I don't and won't ever 'Draft dodge'...even if it means I lose a position, I don't really mind as in the next series of corner's I'll get my chance to catch up.
Peace,
Rusty*

 

[wrcsti]

I have tryed this on really close races and it slows the "dodging" person down a lot, it is way better to just be passed and draft back up to that person.

 

[Paulie]

The way I see it, I couldn't care less if I get beaten by a n00b driver, I'd much rather have a battle with a decent driver. Decent drivers don't swerve, so this isn't an issue for me.
Plus, as has been mentioned, people who drive like that are slow anyway, take them in the corners.

 

[Blitz187]

On the subject of draft blocking... Ive been using a new technique.... lol ... at Fuji 800PP.. when drafting the long straight... I use the "Pass Fake" ahahahah probably already exists or is called something else.... but when I pass nowadays I usually swerve to one side as if Im going to pass and then swerve back to pass on the the otherside instead... this WORKS like a charm for ramming happy noobs online, see them flying into the side walls 👍... as for the swerving... I can deal with that too... because even if they swerve, you can still catch the draft if you follow them... I just line their car up with my gear numbers on the bumper view HUD, and chase them while they swerve... and I can usually pick up their draft.

 

[Cultlife]

On the subject of draft blocking... Ive been using a new technique.... lol ... at Fuji 800PP.. when drafting the long straight... I use the "Pass Fake" ahahahah probably already exists or is called something else.... but when I pass nowadays I usually swerve to one side as if Im going to pass and then swerve back to pass on the the otherside instead... this WORKS like a charm for ramming happy noobs online, see them flying into the side walls 👍... as for the swerving... I can deal with that too... because even if they swerve, you can still catch the draft if you follow them... I just line their car up with my gear numbers on the bumper view HUD, and chase them while they swerve... and I can usually pick up their draft.

Yep, I've been doing this for a while now too. Works beautifully.

 

[HaylRayzor]

Sorry if this ruffles a few feathers, but boo-hoo.

So the guy in front of you swerves. "That's not fair!" you cry. "I have a RIGHT to that draft!" No, you don't.

The guy in front has as much right to try and break the draft as you have to try to use the draft. As long as he stops weaving when you get to his bumper. Then it becomes blocking.

I'll whine as much as the next guy about punters and short-cutters but to whine about this is beneath us. Please.

 

[AlternateID]

Not bothered in the slightest by people who try to break the draft.

Break testing on the other hand really annoys me but not as much as drivers that dive into corners believing it's called late breaking when in fact they are taking out other drivers.

 

[buickgnx88]

Seems like the best way to stop draft dodgers is by not allowing anyone from 18-30 to leave the country.

 

[kingcars]

Well for starters, PD really needs to reduce the drafting effect. In real life, it's nowhere near as effective as it is in the game. I think it's ridiculous that you can be a good second or so ahead of somebody, but once they grab your draft, they're on your bumper within a straightaway. I only break the draft if the guy behind me is as fast or faster than I am (which is rather rare)

@buickgnx: hahaha, when I first saw the thread title, that's what I was thinking.

 

[petter mo]

i dont think the drafting is a problem in itself .. but the guys that block you when you try to pass them that is the biggest problem
i dont think the drafting is that unreal.. because in 200km/h
you have a wall of air infront of you and if a car infront is pushing that you you can pass a car in real life as in the game

 

[Paulie]

Sorry if this ruffles a few feathers, but boo-hoo.

So the guy in front of you swerves. "That's not fair!" you cry. "I have a RIGHT to that draft!" No, you don't.

The guy in front has as much right to try and break the draft as you have to try to use the draft. As long as he stops weaving when you get to his bumper. Then it becomes blocking.

I'll whine as much as the next guy about punters and short-cutters but to whine about this is beneath us. Please.

Actually, it is against race rules is it not? You're allowed to make one movement, and where you move to you stay.

 

[supersonic-88]

Actually, it is against race rules is it not? You're allowed to make one movement, and where you move to you stay.

That's how i understand it as well. In real life racing you can make 1 move if a person is drafting you. Any other moves after that & continually weaving all over the track is illegal & receives a penalty. Although you'll get some people who will tell you, its just a game, forget about using real life rules so for some things, anything goes, which i disagree with but that's just my view.

 

[Paulie]

That's how i understand it as well. In real life racing you can make 1 move if a person is drafting you. Any other moves after that & continually weaving all over the track is illegal & receives a penalty. Although you'll get some people who will tell you, its just a game, forget about using real life rules so for some things, anything goes, which i disagree with but that's just my view.

Anything will go in Midnight Club LA but in GT5 all racing rules should be followed.
It's also stated (the one movement only rule) in the GTP OLR Rules thread in the sticky of this forum. So weaving is very illegal, whether it be to stop someone drafting or because there's a bee in your car.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

That's how i understand it as well. In real life racing you can make 1 move if a person is drafting you. Any other moves after that & continually weaving all over the track is illegal & receives a penalty. Although you'll get some people who will tell you, its just a game, forget about using real life rules so for some things, anything goes, which i disagree with but that's just my view.

I'd always assumed this only applied to moves going into corners and, therefore, under braking. Strikes me it'd be pointless and dangerous to do this on straights. I'm not the worlds leading authority on rules but I can't think of ever seeing an f1 driver pull over in the middle of a straight with the express purpose of blocking the guy behind.

 

[supersonic-88]

I'd always assumed this only applied to moves going into corners and, therefore, under braking. Strikes me it'd be pointless and dangerous to do this on straights. I'm not the worlds leading authority on rules but I can't think of ever seeing an f1 driver pull over in the middle of a straight with the express purpose of blocking the guy behind.

Yep it is dangerous doing it on straights considering the speeds involved & i've been a victim numerous times to people weaving all the place when im drafting them & being hit in the process, sending me straight into the wall while the other guy happily keeps on driving. Wherever it may be on the track, one move to block (and perhaps in the process breaking the draft of the car behind) is the rule that i know of, its just the people who decide to take it to another level & move twice or more that's the problem. Luckily, these racers don't appear that often & the vast majority of people online know not to do it.

 

[Gilly]

Sorry if this ruffles a few feathers, but boo-hoo.

So the guy in front of you swerves. "That's not fair!" you cry. "I have a RIGHT to that draft!" No, you don't.

The guy in front has as much right to try and break the draft as you have to try to use the draft. As long as he stops weaving when you get to his bumper. Then it becomes blocking.

I don't see many racing series from around the World where cars are constantly weaving down the straights to break the tow. Take the racing where drafting is employed most, Nascar, IRL, F1. A car is closing at a higher speed in the draft so you can only defend your line and make them pass on the outside as it's the inside line that is mostly defended but maybe move once and then back as the approach the corner turn in point. I guess this is how it should be implemented for GT if we want a realistic experience.

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