Should there be a way to stop draft dodgers?

[Threshold]

In F1 the rule is that you can deviate once from your chosen racing line to defend your position. In GT if a car moves erratically more than once in the straight they could just give it a 3 sec penalty. We all race in "Expert" afterall.

 

[Chrishall1989]

Draft dodging doesn't work. I've been in a couple of races were it came down to the last lap and the driver in front of me would try to dodge me on front straightaway. I still passed him and won the race. Weaving left and right on straightaways will just slow you down.

 

[The359]

"1 move" is for passes, not drafting.

I suggest you take a gander at any IndyCar oval race and tell me what the drivers do down the stretches. They weave to the inside, then back to the outside, and everyone follows along because they're trying to not lose the draft.

The guy in front is more than entitled to not only put his car anywhere on the circuit he wants, even if it breaks your draft, but he's also more than entitled to enter the corner from any part of the track he wants as well, be it inside, outside, down the middle, anything.

You have to work to make the pass. Whining because you can't easily draft someone down a straight means you aren't trying hard enough to properly set up a pass which can counteract his driving line.

 

[Vaxen]

"1 move" is for passes, not drafting.

I suggest you take a gander at any IndyCar oval race and tell me what the drivers do down the stretches. They weave to the inside, then back to the outside, and everyone follows along because they're trying to not lose the draft.

The guy in front is more than entitled to not only put his car anywhere on the circuit he wants, even if it breaks your draft, but he's also more than entitled to enter the corner from any part of the track he wants as well, be it inside, outside, down the middle, anything.

You have to work to make the pass. Whining because you can't easily draft someone down a straight means you aren't trying hard enough to properly set up a pass which can counteract his driving line.

For official GTP events, we'll be using the GTP OLR Rules and Guidelines, which cover this scenario:

10: Defensive Driving:


A:
Leading cars have the right to choose their own line down a straight. They can change their racing line once while driving down a straight (Move from the outside line to the inside, or vice versa). As they approach the next corner, they can return to the racing line of their choice However, they're not allowed to change their line when the behind driver is directly behind and changes his line to try and make a pass. If your movement causes an accident, you're responsible.

 

[BayConRong]

I find that closing the borders would help...

usually if they spend the time to swerve back and forth they are clearly noobs and aren't worth the time that it takes to swear at them. you would be able to pass them after about 5 seconds of that crap.

 

[Paulie]

In F1 the rule is that you can deviate once from your chosen racing line to defend your position. In GT if a car moves erratically more than once in the straight they could just give it a 3 sec penalty. We all race in "Expert" afterall.

No penalty should be implemented, it's hardly detrimental to our races , a penalty like that would only cause accidental penalties for legal moves, it'd just be rediculous.

For official GTP events, we'll be using the GTP OLR Rules and Guidelines, which cover this scenario:

As I said earlier, but without the quote.

 

[MeWhiteNoise]

In F1 the rule is that you can deviate once from your chosen racing line to defend your position. In GT if a car moves erratically more than once in the straight they could just give it a 3 sec penalty. We all race in "Expert" afterall.

You have to draw the line somewhere, PD can't go setting penalties for every last infringement. As we've already seen, trying to write rules as to how they are applied can be open to interpretation by the game. Think about it logically, how could you be sure that a car weaving around the track isn't steaming through a field off the start or through a pack that has slowed up for a spinner? Unfortunately certain people feel compelled to try to break the rules, you can't legislate for every last idiot on the track. Private rooms/lobbies so we can kick idiots coupled with people who want to race for racing's sake is all we need, the rest will follow.

 

[MrKipling43]

In F1 the rule is that you can deviate once from your chosen racing line to defend your position. In GT if a car moves erratically more than once in the straight they could just give it a 3 sec penalty. We all race in "Expert" afterall.

Just to clarify, the rule is that you're allowed to make one move off the line you started the straight on, and one move back on to it. Regardless of your proximity to the corner.

I.e. You can move right to left, then left to right.

Also, there's nothing wrong with moving over on your opponent while he's trying to make a pass on the straight, you see it all the time in F1. Like Webber squeezing Massa in Fuji the other week - it's up to the guy behind to avoid the accident, not the guy in front. In this case GTP's rules are 'wrong' in terms of how they compare to real racing.

 

[Duke of Pendle]

Also, there's nothing wrong with moving over on your opponent while he's trying to make a pass on the straight, you see it all the time in F1. Like Webber squeezing Massa in Fuji the other week - it's up to the guy behind to avoid the accident, not the guy in front. In this case GTP's rules are 'wrong' in terms of how they compare to real racing.

In my experience, such a maneuver usually results in the perpetrator being in receipt of "a smack in the gob" during the post-race discussion the paddock.

 

[MarinaDiamandis]

In my experience, such a maneuver usually results in the perpetrator being in receipt of "a smack in the gob" during the post-race discussion the paddock.

In my experience, such an action usually results in the violent driver being banned/suspended/dealt with severely by race officials.

 

[Hugo Boss]

Also, there's nothing wrong with moving over on your opponent while he's trying to make a pass on the straight, you see it all the time in F1. Like Webber squeezing Massa in Fuji the other week - it's up to the guy behind to avoid the accident, not the guy in front. In this case GTP's rules are 'wrong' in terms of how they compare to real racing.

You are wrong here. It's up to the driver behind to avoid the accident in case the driver in front keeps his or her line. If the driver in front makes a move that's not to be expected (like Webber did), it's that driver who is to blame, not the driver behind. The FIA probably didn't give Webber a penalty because nothing went wrong, but most racing drivers don't approve this behaviour on track. That's why we don't approve it either here at GTP.

 

[EDK]

Just to clarify, the rule is that you're allowed to make one move off the line you started the straight on, and one move back on to it. Regardless of your proximity to the corner.

I.e. You can move right to left, then left to right.

Also, there's nothing wrong with moving over on your opponent while he's trying to make a pass on the straight, you see it all the time in F1. Like Webber squeezing Massa in Fuji the other week - it's up to the guy behind to avoid the accident, not the guy in front. In this case GTP's rules are 'wrong' in terms of how they compare to real racing.

Can you imagine giving the ahead driver full rights to do as they please to block while driving down a straight? Imagine the frustration if it was your fault that someone decided to steer into the side of you while trying to make a clean pass while heading down a straight.

Could you imagine us issuing an infraction to a driver who was attempting a clean pass on a straight?

The rules are intended to promote fair and friendly driving practices, not a win or die mentality.

Also, as Sphinx driected in his PM. Questions or comments in regard to the rules should be placed here -

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=105368

 

[tka_tha]

In my case I prefer to keep enough distance to avoid any draft advantages. However, if a guy has enough speed to pass I would let him pass without any problems. Not only with drafting, if another driver has managed to build up enough speed to pass, then he deserves to pass. You need to exhibit good sportsmanship, and when you do that you will achieve greatness, even without finishing in 1st place.

 

[Nicksfix]

In my case I prefer to keep enough distance to avoid any draft advantages. However, if a guy has enough speed to pass I would let him pass without any problems. Not only with drafting, if another driver has managed to build up enough speed to pass, then he deserves to pass. You need to exhibit good sportsmanship, and when you do that you will achieve greatness, even without finishing in 1st place.

100 % agreed , nicely said , 👍

 

[supersonic-88]

In my case I prefer to keep enough distance to avoid any draft advantages. However, if a guy has enough speed to pass I would let him pass without any problems. Not only with drafting, if another driver has managed to build up enough speed to pass, then he deserves to pass. You need to exhibit good sportsmanship, and when you do that you will achieve greatness, even without finishing in 1st place.

Exactly right, well said 👍

 

[Threshold]

Just to clarify, the rule is that you're allowed to make one move off the line you started the straight on, and one move back on to it. Regardless of your proximity to the corner.

I.e. You can move right to left, then left to right.

Also, there's nothing wrong with moving over on your opponent while he's trying to make a pass on the straight, you see it all the time in F1. Like Webber squeezing Massa in Fuji the other week - it's up to the guy behind to avoid the accident, not the guy in front. In this case GTP's rules are 'wrong' in terms of how they compare to real racing.

Yeah that makes sense with what you see in the races as far passing/blocking is concerned.

I agree that there's nothing wrong with squeezing your opponent right up to the wall or edge of the track, but I wish GT had better peripheral vision to do that. Chances are you're gonna collide with the guy next to you if you tried that in the game, because he won't see you coming.