Should we trust GT4 in real life??

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NSX-R
I'm not encouraging this kind of stupid action, but, without crashing or hurting anyone in a chase is "respectable", or that SOB is just plain lucky...
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Me thinks lucky... :)
 
NSX-R
I'm not encouraging this kind of stupid action, but, without crashing or hurting anyone in a chase is "respectable", or that SOB is just plain lucky...
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the movement of cars is very similar....ie....spinin out....but the forces are way different....rl totally different sensation....but if u play with dfp you can get an idea for what steering input does what....in that sense gt4 can help.....If u want to get better drivin rl...it is all experience...so be safe out there! and remember...gt4 is after all just a good driving simulator...
 
amp88
Something else GT4 can't prepare you for is what I like to call "random hazards". Things like puddles, gravel or slow vehicles on the road infront of you.
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I can't speak for everywhere, but here in the States those "random hazards" can also include things like deer, or cows (where I lived in Nevada) running out in front of you. It's difficult to respond to those type of hazards at normal driving speeds much less if you're pushing it. Missing a cow at 80 mph on a deserted desert hiway is very sobering, trust me.
 
Should you trust GT4's simulation? No. If you go out onto a track in RL, you should feel it out slowly even if you have practiced that track in GT4 before.

Is the simulation generally accurate? Yes. But it's not perfect, and there are things which is can not do... like show you what steering and manipulating pedals while resisting g forces is like. But, in general, what it does make a real attempt at simulating, it does with considerable fidelity.

Can it help you in RL? Yes. I've been saved from spinning off the track in RL by reflexes I learned in GT. One of the greatest uses of GT, imho, is giving you at least theoretical experience with driving conditions you would rarely reach in RL... most particularly because those conditions usually preceed a serious crash!

- Skant
 
If you play GT4 with a hand controller and think you've learned some "skills" that may be applicable to real life, think again! Then buy a DFP and practice for a long time until you've mastered every facet of the game and then MAYBE you will have learnt a few minor skills that MIGHT be applicable to a few real life instances. Then remind yourself that you are weighing up your own life (and more importantly, others') against the opportunity to have a few moments of fun in RL.

That said, I do think the DFP might help if you have made a mistake in RL and are about to lose control.

eg. you are on a high speed motorway and you realise you took your concentration off the road for a bit and didnt notice the stationary broken down car ahead of you in the same lane. you hit the brakes while steering away from it. then, from having played excessive amounts of GT4, you realise the car wont turn because the front weight of the car is bogging down the front wheels due to the weight transfer, causing understeer, so you come off the brakes and steer away, before quickly straightening the wheel and braking.

Just for the record, I've spun out going around a corner at an embarrassing 40km/h! It was wet and I was driving a Falcon AUIII SR wagon with a full boot. And that was after excessive playing of GT3 with the hand controller. The G-forces of the car throwing you around in your seat and the steering wheel pulling itself out of your hands were the most notable differences.

So please don't take any foolish risks in real life, it's not worth it. Oh, how it's not worth it! (did about $7000 damage to the falcon) :scared:
 
Tell me guys... i have Logitech Formula force feedback wheel(official GT3 wheel), so, it is not 900 degrees wheel, but, is it tottaly another game with DFP, i mean, counter steering, and so, how much i am missing with this wheel, i mean, i drive pretty well with it, and it is a good wheel, but in RL when you are really using 900 degrees, besides when countersteering from serious over/under steer, or when your car is stopped and you wanna do a full left/right wheel turn for parking, or something... so, when taking normal cornering, not countersteering, will my wheel provide simulation of real life wheel...??
 
Boris Lozac
Tell me guys... i have Logitech Formula force feedback wheel(official GT3 wheel), so, it is not 900 degrees wheel, but, is it tottaly another game with DFP, i mean, counter steering, and so, how much i am missing with this wheel, i mean, i drive pretty well with it, and it is a good wheel, but in RL when you are really using 900 degrees, besides when countersteering from serious over/under steer, or when your car is stopped and you wanna do a full left/right wheel turn for parking, or something... so, when taking normal cornering, not countersteering, will my wheel provide simulation of real life wheel...??
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your missing out a lot if you still playin on the DF the DFP is better by far....for the true gt4 experience get the dfp...i have the df too and it isn't the same....
 
I agree, I've used the DF and DFP, and the DFP is in a league of it's own. What can I say...if you want to play GT4 how it is supposed to be played, the DFP is the only way.
 
haha... this is like saying would you get on a plane with a pilot that has only done simulation flying on a Tv screen. lolz... DANGER!!!
 
Exactly, but in an emergency, say, the pilot is incapacitated, a simulator-trained co-pilot with no actualy flight experience *might* be able to bring the plane down to saftey, hence my example of using DFP/GT4 skills to possibly avoid an unforseeable road incident in RL.
 
I've got a question: Using the DFP, say you drive GT4 like driving in RL or just driving cautiously carefully, would the car behave like in RL? For example, you go 40 mph in gt4, does it feel like the same in real life?
 
no,(in gt4) u dont deal with traffic, rules on the roads, cars, cops, pedestrians etc... gt4 is all about going fast, try that in public roads and......
 
So i should be really getting a DFP.. gotta wait for the prices to drop, it's still to expensive.... :indiff:

P.S.
Guys, tell me, comparing to Enthusia, what game gives you better road feeling, i mean comparing to RL, i don't know should i be getting Enthusia, i hate playing two driving games, at the same time.. i just want the better one... Is Enthusia better, not in AI, Menus, music, etc, but physics, driving feel, traction, countersteering, where is it more real??
 
GT4 and real life are very different. Good practise for tracks, not cars. eg anyone thinking of doing the 'ring for the first time will gain from GT4.

However cars handling in real life is totally diiferent that in GT4, try driving a TVR especially a Griffith or Cerbera in real life - you'll need good underwear !!!
 
Ikari_San
Exactly, but in an emergency, say, the pilot is incapacitated, a simulator-trained co-pilot with no actualy flight experience *might* be able to bring the plane down to saftey, hence my example of using DFP/GT4 skills to possibly avoid an unforseeable road incident in RL.
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I still say no, assuming you have never driven a real car before. Firstly, you will have no training from GT4 in how to engage drive in a manual car. For me changing gears was the most complicated and difficult part to learn about driving. GT4 does not replicate this in any way whatsoever.

Secondly, speeds will feel much, much, much faster. You may know more about car control than an average learner, but I do not believe you will drive any better first time out.

I don't believe that GT4 gives you any skills that you could not have picked up from reading about driving techniques. It does not simulate the feel of driving a car. I would say the same is true for a flight sim. A person who can fly a Microsoft Flight Sim plane would have no particular advantage over someone who has never flown a sim or a real plane, but does have knowledge on how the controls work, from reading, watching TV programs, or talking to pilots. Both may have an advantage over someone with no interest in planes (or cars) who does not know a steering wheel from a spare wheel.
 
I say:
RL Track = YES
RL Street = NO

Real Streets aren't for racing or any stupid antics. That would be irresponsible and highly dangerous for oneself and anyone else nearby.

GT is very similar to RL Track in my limited experience.
Of course, GT can't do G-Forces, clutch, real Manual etc.., but it can do the rest. You can learn about how a car reacts under certain conditions such as over/under steer, racing line, slipstreams, etc... These things are similar and can help one get to grips with the real situation a lot quicker than someone with no GT skills.

During my one and only RL Track experience, I thought "This is just like GT!". But at that time, I was already an experienced car driver (and motorcyclist) so I wasn't trying to learn how to operate the vehicle at the same time - I already had that covered.
 
NSX-R
Enthusia > GT4

"physics-wise"

Especially the ffs! they are much better!
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So really the Enthusia is a better DRIVING game??
Can you please compare some things in which the Enthusia is more real than GT4, sorry i know it is a bit off topic, but i wanna know, because i can't believe that a game that is the first simulation game from Konami makes better driving physics than GT4 with many years of experience.!! :sick:
This really dissapoints me.. :indiff:
 
I think playing GT helped me out once.

This winter, I was driving home in snowy conditions. Even though I was driving at a low speed, the car ( Golf III ) started oversteering because of a patch of ice on the road. I immediately applied the necessary amount of countersteer to keep my car on the road. It was like a reflex, I didn't have to think about my actions before applying them. It all felt "natural".

IMO gt4 (and possibly other sims too) is good for understanding the basics of car handling ( weight shifting, understeer, oversteer,...) , and for getting good reflexes. ( when playing with a dfp, not with that silly controller) But that's as for as it goes. You shouldn't literally apply driving skills from the game IRL, without testing them on a race track or something first.

Don't take the game too serious, and be careful on the road. One silly mistake could be the last one you'll ever make IRL.
 
I was just thinking about this the other day. I was driving down the road about 70mph in my trusty Ford Taurus around dusk when a deer jumped out in front of me. I swerved and hit the brakes. Everything slowed down and I felt the rear end stat to slide and heard the tires start to loose traction. It's funny though because for an instant I felt like I was in the game trying to save the car from wiping out. Just as the rear was about to loose it I let up on the brakes and evened out my steering and missed the deer without flipping out. So for me I think driving GT4 does make me think more about controlling my car and driving efficiently down the road. If anything it's like I've experienced aggressive driving in GT4 so it makes me understand it a little more in real life.

By the way I live in Santa Maria CA the home of the Michael Jackson trial. Woo hoo.


GG
 
Ikari_San
Exactly, but in an emergency, say, the pilot is incapacitated, a simulator-trained co-pilot with no actualy flight experience *might* be able to bring the plane down to saftey, hence my example of using DFP/GT4 skills to possibly avoid an unforseeable road incident in RL.
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Alfaholic
I still say no...
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gotoguy
I was just thinking about this the other day. I was driving down the road about 70mph in my trusty Ford Taurus around dusk when a deer jumped out in front of me. I swerved and hit the brakes. Everything slowed down and I felt the rear end stat to slide and heard the tires start to loose traction. It's funny though because for an instant I felt like I was in the game trying to save the car from wiping out. Just as the rear was about to loose it I let up on the brakes and evened out my steering and missed the deer without flipping out. So for me I think driving GT4 does make me think more about controlling my car and driving efficiently down the road. If anything it's like I've experienced aggressive driving in GT4 so it makes me understand it a little more in real life.
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Seems like you just proved my point, gotoguy :D

Just to clarify, I'm talking about people who have done lots of driving in RL and racked up excessive hours with the DFP wheel, then you MIGHT be able to save yourself from an incident, as gotoguy did.

If you just play the game with the hand controller and expect to get behind the wheel in RL for the first time you obviously wont have any experience, so in that respect the game won't help at all.
 
The handling of the car depends on the suspension setup, downforce and tyres. You would have to be using road legal tyres for the actual feel.
 
I am using N1 for cars to 300 hp, N2(standard/luxury in settings, Comfort in replays :crazy: ) for cars to about 350 hp, and N3(standard/road) for cars over 350 hp.. Is that Ok, realistic enough??
 
This is very interesting post, originally. I have thinking same thing sometimes.

I got three cars, VW Polo 1300 G40 '86, Toyota Sprinter Corolla 2.0 Twincam '69 and Datsun Bluebird 1200 LX '68 and tested how do acceleration simulate in game vs RL, my Polo has only 113 hp, but still it does accelerate faster than almost any car in the game with almost same hp.

My Polo G40 : 7.5 s/100km, hp 113, torgue nearly 140Nw
Corolla : 5.3 s/100, hp 260, torgue 521Nw
Datsun : 15.4 s/km, 54 hp, torgue unknown.

And when driving 100 km per hour at road, it's feel way different than in game, GT 4 has much better physics than previous GT's anyway :)

In Finland we have only 120 km/h max speed limit, and it do well, never be an idiot at road, I left that for the game it's lot more fun and no one's get hurt :)

Sorry my bad english
 

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