Shouldn't license tests be more educational?

[CarBastard]

Today I was revisiting the license test section of GT5 trying to turn my silver IC license to a gold one, just like I did with my A and B ones. However, I encountered a problem that annoyed me very much and made me think of the whole point of driving tests.

I was trying to gold the 370Z @ Indy chicanes event, and it was impossible for me. At best I was .5 seconds away from gold. So I decided to turn to the example, and to my surprise I couldn't learn anything from the video: BECAUSE THE EXAMPLE IS SLOWER THAN ME!!!!

I don't know what else to try to gold this. And the game, instead of giving me hints and instructions to improve my driving, is more confused than me. They expect me to depend entirely on trial and error for my learning, and that's just wrong. Or maybe they just expect me to be an awesome driver out of nowhere, but if this is the purpose of driving tests then they aren't teaching you how to drive better, they are just a series of varied time trials. If education in schools were entirely based on trial and error like this, kids this day would take five hundred years to understand what an atom is.

What's your take on this topic? How should license tests be implemented in a way they actually work as some sort of GT Academy?

 

[CaptainHarlock]

How is leaving it up to the driver to figure it out "just wrong"? The tests are just to get you familiar with driving techniques. They aren't going to drive the test for you. It's up to you to become a better drive. You're probably unfamiliar with the old joke "How do you get to Carnegie Hall? Practice, man. PRACTICE!".

 

[Vend1go]

Yah , i did all GOLD not watching those examples , you just need to try many ways and many driving lines to do it . Just keep going , dont stop !

 

[sniper338]

I agree the examples should get gold, a computer that knows the perfect line should get a better time than me. Luckly youtube is loaded with examples of how to get gold.

 

[-Cheezman-]

I still have not golded IC3 (370Z at Indy). I just gave up after atleast 200 attempts (this is not an exaggeration). There is no way a person can consistently drive in a manner that would be fast enough to complete the gold time; it's pure luck.

 

[Spagetti69]

Generally tests are set to test your knowledge.

Maybe do some revision(Practise) before taking your tests.

 

[gt addict]

Yeah on the X1 challenge if you watch the example they don't even get gold

 

[TP1]

You know it's stupid when: you can drive an F1 with a 900degree wheel, aids-less and consitent lap after lap...but can't take 2 turns in a japanese box.

 

[sniper338]

I still have not golded IC3 (370Z at Indy). I just gave up after atleast 200 attempts (this is not an exaggeration). There is no way a person can consistently drive in a manner that would be fast enough to complete the gold time; it's pure luck.

Leave it for a few days and come back to it later with a fresh mind. And the second corner is what will make or break that test.

 

[Crispy]

You know it's stupid when: you can drive an F1 with a 900degree wheel, aids-less and consitent lap after lap...but can't take 2 turns in a japanese box.

Except the 370Z isn't a Japanese Box.

 

[scy544845]

Except the 370Z isn't a Japanese Box.

Ok I'll bite, where's it from then? Norway?

Back to the O.P.
Practice mate. If you find you're getting frustrated, leave it for an hour/day/week and come back to it. You won't think straight with a hot head.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

Ok I'll bite, where's it from then? Norway?

Back to the O.P.
Practice mate. If you find you're getting frustrated, leave it for an hour/day/week and come back to it. You won't think straight with a hot head.

The Datsun B210. A "Japanese Box".

The Nissan 370Z

I don't think we need to go any further...

 

[CSLACR]

Today I was revisiting the license test section of GT5 trying to turn my silver IC license to a gold one, just like I did with my A and B ones. However, I encountered a problem that annoyed me very much and made me think of the whole point of driving tests.

I was trying to gold the 370Z @ Indy chicanes event, and it was impossible for me. At best I was .5 seconds away from gold. So I decided to turn to the example, and to my surprise I couldn't learn anything from the video: BECAUSE THE EXAMPLE IS SLOWER THAN ME!!!!

I don't know what else to try to gold this. And the game, instead of giving me hints and instructions to improve my driving, is more confused than me. They expect me to depend entirely on trial and error for my learning, and that's just wrong. Or maybe they just expect me to be an awesome driver out of nowhere, but if this is the purpose of driving tests then they aren't teaching you how to drive better, they are just a series of varied time trials. If education in schools were entirely based on trial and error like this, kids this day would take five hundred years to understand what an atom is.

What's your take on this topic? How should license tests be implemented in a way they actually work as some sort of GT Academy?

To my knowledge it's the first GT game that doesn't have gold time examples, I also found it very stupid.

I suggest YouTube, though the simple answer is cut the corners sharp and hard, and get on the throttle sooner than possible.

There is no way a person can consistently drive in a manner that would be fast enough to complete the gold time; it's pure luck.

Not at all true.

 

[scy544845]

The Datsun B210. A "Japanese Box".

The Nissan 370Z

I don't think we need to go any further...

...evidently sarcasm doesn't convey well through text.

 

[Cosbuster]

Most licence tests are crappy anyway. They test how fast you can take a corner but that alone means nothing in reality. I can't believe that in order to get gold in some tests, drifting is a better option.

 

[Ford Driver]

You could be shown by the game how to take a certain corner, then get gold and put it all behind you.
Or, you could try time and time again without help, perfecting your line, speed, braking etc. and get to know that corner so well that driving it will become like a second nature in competitive racing for as long as you care to play GT5.

These tests have no use in the game other than for you to perfect your skills. Some advice is provided to help, but the best way to learn is sometimes to fail.

Keep trying and most importantly take breaks, it works, somehow.
Good luck.

 

[shirakawaa]

Licence tests use Skid Recovery Force, forced on by default.
As I discovered this fact I decided to not bother with them anymore.
The little educational value they occasionally had is wasted with it.

 

[599GT]

I still have not golded IC3 (370Z at Indy). I just gave up after atleast 200 attempts (this is not an exaggeration). There is no way a person can consistently drive in a manner that would be fast enough to complete the gold time; it's pure luck.

No.
You can try for 1000 times - if you don't improve your lines you're not going to drive any faster.
It took me 20 minutes for gold (ages ago), I found out that the best way of golding is to turn off ABS for the first corner and then turn it back on after the corner has been cleared.

You could be shown by the game how to take a certain corner, then get gold and put it all behind you.
Or, you could try time and time again without help, perfecting your line, speed, braking etc. and get to know that corner so well that driving it will become like a second nature in competitive racing for as long as you care to play GT5.

These tests have no use in the game other than for you to perfect your skills. Some advice is provided to help, but the best way to learn is sometimes to fail.

Keep trying and most importantly take breaks, it works, somehow.
Good luck.

👍

Licence tests use Skid Recovery Force, forced on by default.
As I discovered this fact I decided to not bother with them anymore.
The little educational value they occasionally had is wasted with it.

Nah, it's not like that.
With the SRF on - you can't rely on drifting/sliding your way out of trouble. With SRF on you have to work on your lines in order to get gold.

 

[Monatsende]

At the beginning of my GT5 life I thought to golden all license tests is impossible. But it`s possible. Just improve your driving and collect some experiences. Try to golden them step by step. I completed mission gold in two days from about 23/30/7 to 60/0/0. Some were easy to golden from bronze with only 1 try. Some were very hard to golden from silver. Take your breaks to refresh your mind.

Hard work - many tries. But keep going!!!

 

[BradKinder]

Use your RA controls to calibrate your brake input.

Brakes in GT5 have a very realistic technical aspect to their functioning... and to follow driving theory correctly, you often need to alter your "brake balance" settings.

Try 2/2 ABS off. Good luck!

 

[Bottoz]

IC3 (in my opinion) is the WORST test in the game. I can not gold it. I've seen the YouTube examples, and IRL cutting corners and driving on grass and up and over rumble strips would NOT be the fastest way around a race track. Horrible so-called test.

 

[devildog666]

Most licence tests are crappy anyway. They test how fast you can take a corner but that alone means nothing in reality. I can't believe that in order to get gold in some tests, drifting is a better option.

I didn't drift once to get all gold.

 

[Cosbuster]

I didn't drift once to get all gold.

As I said, you don't have to but it's still faster in many of the tests. The finish point of the licence should never be directly after the corner you're supposed to be tested on. All they end up "teaching" you is how to achieve the biggest entry speed in the corner without worrying about anything else which is neither realistic nor very fitting for such a game.

 

[CaptainHarlock]

...evidently sarcasm doesn't convey well through text.

That's the problem with the internet. You can't tell the reasonable individuals from the crackpots.

 

[Griffith500]

You know, it's funny, I golded IC3 by subtly drifting through the first left-hander, as it allowed me to carry more speed, scrubbed off at an appropriate rate by the drift, and it left me facing the right way for the hairpin. There's nothing unrealistic or unfitting about that. Sometimes, four-wheel drifting will be quicker. It depends on the car (and tyres) and what it is you're trying to do.
Something else to note: you need to abuse the front tyres in the hairpins, you'll find more grip by turning the wheel "too much" (slip angle -> drift 💡), which seems to work on all the comfort tyres.

You know, for a while, well into the 1970s, everyone was drifting in Formula 1...
This season's cars also exhibit quite a bit of slip angle, probably due to the Pirelli tyres.

If the grip's there, use it.

 

[Saidur_Ali]

I still have not golded IC3 (370Z at Indy). I just gave up after atleast 200 attempts (this is not an exaggeration). There is no way a person can consistently drive in a manner that would be fast enough to complete the gold time; it's pure luck.

I think I could and I'm not as fast as the top players in the game. I just checked the replay saves of the license tests and the time taken after IC-2 to save Gold completion was 8 minutes. After load times taken into account I don't think it took me too many gos, maybe about 5 attempts at max. I found most of the license tests in the game in GT5 you can get Gold more or less on first attempt. It is a lot easier than GT4 I found and did not take me long, maybe you can get all 60 of them in a few hours.

IC3 (in my opinion) is the WORST test in the game. I can not gold it. I've seen the YouTube examples, and IRL cutting corners and driving on grass and up and over rumble strips would NOT be the fastest way around a race track. Horrible so-called test.

You don't have to do that. This is a fast time and if you drive more tamely you should still be able to get Gold as it gives you over 5 tenths margin to play with against someone who can drive the car more aggressively.

You know, it's funny, I golded IC3 by subtly drifting through the first left-hander, as it allowed me to carry more speed, scrubbed off at an appropriate rate by the drift, and it left me facing the right way for the hairpin. There's nothing unrealistic or unfitting about that. Sometimes, four-wheel drifting will be quicker. It depends on the car (and tyres) and what it is you're trying to do.
Something else to note: you need to abuse the front tyres in the hairpins, you'll find more grip by turning the wheel "too much" (slip angle -> drift 💡), which seems to work on all the comfort tyres.

You know, for a while, well into the 1970s, everyone was drifting in Formula 1...
This season's cars also exhibit quite a bit of slip angle, probably due to the Pirelli tyres.

If the grip's there, use it.

Having looked at my replay, I don't drift / slide at all in it. Compared to other videos mine is actually quite controlled, just use a bit of grass on the final corner exit but the rears are not sliding like the video above as I wasn't attempting to smash the record or anything.

 

[Griffith500]

OK, I didn't drift that much. Except once or twice in anger, perhaps.
I did it before SRF was forced, so I don't know what you can get away with now.

 

[Cosbuster]

You know, it's funny, I golded IC3 by subtly drifting through the first left-hander, as it allowed me to carry more speed, scrubbed off at an appropriate rate by the drift, and it left me facing the right way for the hairpin. There's nothing unrealistic or unfitting about that. Sometimes, four-wheel drifting will be quicker. It depends on the car (and tyres) and what it is you're trying to do.

Yes, it can be faster when you measure the speed in just one/two corners in succesion but in reality it never comes to that which is why drifting is not too popular when it comes to serious circuit racing. It's just unrealistic for the game trying to "teach" you that all that matters when taking corners is achieving the highest possible entry speed that allows you to stay on the track.

 

[Griffith500]

Yes, it can be faster when you measure the speed in just one/two corners in succesion but in reality it never comes to that which is why drifting is not too popular when it comes to serious circuit racing.

It's just unrealistic for the game trying to "teach" you that all that matters when taking corners is achieving the highest possible entry speed that allows you to stay on the track.

Go too fast through the left hander and you scupper the entry into the hairpins. Go too fast in the first hairpin, and you'll get poor drive out of the second. At least, that's how I remember it. Sounds like normal circuit-racing compromise to me. Granted, I've not done a licence test in a while, and I've never used SRF (to my knowledge).

 

[Cosbuster]

Go too fast through the left hander and you scupper the entry into the hairpins. Go too fast in the first hairpin, and you'll get poor drive out of the second. At least, that's how I remember it. Sounds like normal circuit-racing compromise to me. Granted, I've not done a licence test in a while, and I've never used SRF (to my knowledge).

Well, I wast talking in general. I wasn't using this particular licence as an example although it would have been much better if the finish point was further in the back ensuring a good exit from the last corner.