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My electric company has auto-pay, they just charge an extra $5 a month for it. I can't justify paying that much when it costs 44 cents and 30 seconds to mail it.

$5/month charge for Direct Debit? (What we call it over here) I can't think of anywhere that charges here for Direct Debit, because it cuts out work for them, so why should they charge you for it? (Barring the obvious reason, but hey, we have regulators here, even if they are a bit useless at times.)
 
$5/month charge for Direct Debit? (What we call it over here) I can't think of anywhere that charges here for Direct Debit, because it cuts out work for them, so why should they charge you for it? (Barring the obvious reason, but hey, we have regulators here, even if they are a bit useless at times.)
Because they have to pay a percentage of the amount to the company that processes the electronic transaction.

At least that is how it works in the US. It is actually better for companies, profit-wise, to deal in cash only.
 
Because they have to pay a percentage of the amount to the company that processes the electronic transaction.

At least that is how it works in the US. It is actually better for companies, profit-wise, to deal in cash only.
That's why I never understood why gasoline is usually cheaper when paid for with a credit card.
 
That's why I never understood why gasoline is usually cheaper when paid for with a credit card.
The only thing I have seen that on is diesel, whihc is more expensive with credit, and then only at truck stops because the companies the trucks are going for are dealing in tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars in credit.

The only reason I can see for it being cheaper is pay-at-the-pump reduces security issues and makes it less of a liability to only have one employee staffed at night.

Unless you mean something like a Kroger Plus (or any gas station chain branded) Credit Card, in which case that is all about you paying your own credit fees to the gas station yourself. The same truck stops I see charging more for diesel on credit will knock that difference off if you use their loyalty card.
 
Because they have to pay a percentage of the amount to the company that processes the electronic transaction.

At least that is how it works in the US. It is actually better for companies, profit-wise, to deal in cash only.

Sounds like it works slightly differently to our Direct Debit then. Which is simply a payment direct from your bank to whoever it is you pay. You can set them to go out on specific days for specific amounts.

(I think I've explained that properly.)
 
Sounds like it works slightly differently to our Direct Debit then. Which is simply a payment direct from your bank to whoever it is you pay. You can set them to go out on specific days for specific amounts.

(I think I've explained that properly.)

That is how it normally works here, however some companies go through a third party for some reason.
 
I haz a 14. Jobs are slightly difficult to get.

Hey, you could pick up the drunks that are ignored by cabs and make killer dough. My buddy and I just did it for kicks this past weekend and they'll fork over $20 for a single ride.

But then, I suppose if you had a car and a license you'd also have a job, too...

On that note:
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Sounds like it works slightly differently to our Direct Debit then. Which is simply a payment direct from your bank to whoever it is you pay. You can set them to go out on specific days for specific amounts.

(I think I've explained that properly.)
We, or at least I, call that automatic withdrawal. We have that too, but this still requires some form of transfer charges. Money is being transferred from one bank to another. Banks do not do this free of charge. I know if I personally tried transferring money to someone in another bank it would cost me as much as $25, depending on what the other bank charges. Businesses, of course, get a bulk rate discount.

The system I was referring to, because I think of debit as the card that looks like a credit card but really just pulls from your checking account, does require a processing company that sells and maintains the little card machines, servers, etc and do so in a way that makes all brands of cards work on one system.

That is how it normally works here, however some companies go through a third party for some reason.
Primary reason is security. Third party systems are fully automated on off-location servers with off-location backups and no physical person sees any information of the customer or the business.

I did an IT internship at National Processing Company and was amazed at just what goes on behind the scenes whenever you swipe your card. Just looking at credit cards and credit branded debit cards you have four major companies, each with separate systems, different security systems, different finance fees, and all of that is constantly being upgraded to keep it as safe as possible.

Then add in the bank debit/ATM cards which are different for every different bank out there. On top of that cashing checks is a hassle, but you could have a scanner that reads the check and can process it automated (just like a debit) so that you don't have to waste man hours and resources cashing checks every night. Those will also use various systems.

And do we want to get into gift cards?

Sure, Walmart could afford to setup their own systems to handle this, but Joe's Diner can't. Joe's Diner can afford to slowly increase his prices 3% over a couple of years to cover fees to have someone else set the system up.

And that brings up another point. If a company isn't charging you an additional fee, you are still paying for it, but you pay it whether you used the system or not.

And as goes without saying, this is all based purely on my experience in an American company. What they do in any other country is beyond my knowledge.
 
Direct debit is encouraged here and many offer discounts if you use it. I've never been charged for doing a direct debit, in fact the only bank charges I've ever incurred (from memory) are some ATMs that charge £1.75 to use them. But they are pretty rare.

I don't get charged for transferring money. I don't know if any other UK'ers can give any more on this, but direct debits don't have any direct charge as far as I know. I know that some companies charge customers for non-direct debit payments, I think there was a legal hoo-har about it.
 
The system I was referring to, because I think of debit as the card that looks like a credit card but really just pulls from your checking account, does require a processing company that sells and maintains the little card machines, servers, etc and do so in a way that makes all brands of cards work on one system.

We call that EFTPOS - electronic funds transfer point of sale - depending on your bank it would come under an electronic transaction and you may or may not get them free. Some banks offer unlimited electronic transactions some have a limit.

Direct Debit - is where you give a company such as your insurance company authority to draw your payment from your account. Vary rarely are we charged extra for having a direct debit - most places prefer it as they get their money on time. As far as bank charges go it counts as electronic transaction and may come in your allowable limit.

I can transfer funds free to anyone in any australian bank for no charge at all if I do it via my Netbanking and funds usually get there within 24hrs - doing it over the counter costs $3.50 at my bank if transferring to another bank and can take a week to get the money to the other bank.
 
Aaaaaanyways.



This came in today. But I think I have to wait until Christmas to use it.

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Most transactions of these types do not cost American consumers anything, but the businesses involved do charge, which is why some very few institutions charge an extra fee.

Most don't because the lack of paperwork, reduction on late payments, and increase in customers (or lack of lost customers) can make up the difference.

As for personal bank transfers, I have never tried doing it online recently to see if that is free. The last time I tried it was a former roommate trying to get me my part of a security deposit and between his bank's fee and mine it was going to cost $25. But my bank does not charge to transfer from my account to another account within the bank.

Aaaaaanyways.



This came in today. But I think I have to wait until Christmas to use it.

Are those legal for you? Our state has weird laws, like legal to own, but not use or something.
 
Are those legal for you? Our state has weird laws, like legal to own, but not use or something.
Radar detectors are legal everywhere but Virginia and D.C....Sure you aren't thinking radar jammers?
 
They are actually illegal in just about every state if you affix them to your windscreen due to obstructing your view. If you put them elsewhere you are fine. I used to keep my just above where the wipers sat to keep it out of site. Oh and if you get pulled over with one in your car there is almost no way of talking your way out of the ticket.
 
Radar detectors are legal everywhere but Virginia and D.C....Sure you aren't thinking radar jammers?
Quite possibly. My friend had a combo deal that had those same arrows and got in trouble for it, so that is what I am basing my thoughts on.
 
They are actually illegal in just about every state if you affix them to your windscreen due to obstructing your view. If you put them elsewhere you are fine. I used to keep my just above where the wipers sat to keep it out of site. Oh and if you get pulled over with one in your car there is almost no way of talking your way out of the ticket.


That's just being anal about it, though. Mine is kept right by the rear view mirror, so it's actually hard to see. The only thing that could be "obstructing" my view is the cord, and no cop in Texas is going to think of pulling someone over for a little cord.

Anyways, my latest purchase.
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I've only ever been stopped in Ohio for having one and the cop told me that is obstructed my view. I took it down and he let me go. At the next exit I pulled over and put it back up. Driving through Ohio without a fuzz buster on Michigan plates is like walking through a town in the deep south wearing tight pink leather pants, a NASCAR Sucks t-shirt, and a hat that says "There is no Jesus". Something unpleasant is bound to happen.
 
I've only ever been stopped in Ohio for having one and the cop told me that is obstructed my view. I took it down and he let me go. At the next exit I pulled over and put it back up. Driving through Ohio without a fuzz buster on Michigan plates is like walking through a town in the deep south wearing tight pink leather pants, a NASCAR Sucks t-shirt, and a hat that says "There is no Jesus". Something unpleasant is bound to happen.

Having flashback from top gear.....

Nice purchase Eric. Ive had my trooper snooper for almost a year since I got my ticket. Best money ive ever spent.
 
I figured the V1 would derail the thread a bit. At least no hypocritical "well if you just drove the speed limit you'd never have to spend $400 on a radar detector to begin with!" posts that tend to come up...

Anyway I'm probably getting a BlendMount for it that mounts it right at the bottom of my mirror, and its going to be hardwired up into the sunroof power switch, if all works out right. As for obstructing my view, sure, of the clouds...Haven't went out to mock it up yet (doing that in just a second) but it shouldn't be too noticeable there. And if I am pulled over with it I'll just unplug it and throw it in the glovebox/backseat/under my seat.

What's worse is the people who put their GPS right in the middle of the windshield. We've got one and I experimented at every place on the glass and found that its completely distracting and far too bright at night. So instead we have one of those weighted mats that sits on the dash with a flat surface inside to mount one. Much better.
 
I figured the V1 would derail the thread a bit. At least no hypocritical "well if you just drove the speed limit you'd never have to spend $400 on a radar detector to begin with!" posts that tend to come up....

Don't get me wrong, I loved my fuzz buster and I though it worked quite well. It's just that I don't really have a need for one right now and my Escort 8500 died.
 
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