Sick of all the bragging

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Why is it when someone starts a thread about how to win this race or that people immediately post how great they are, how easy is was for them, did it on the first try, adding nothing to the question asked? I don't care how good a driver you are, I'm reading the thread because I'm interested in an answer. Way to many of this type of reply. Just one of my beefs, I feel better now.
Usual humans...
 
For the record ... I don't. I've been married for 15 years and have 2 great children (Sorry is that bragging?)
I'm sick of all this bragging on GTP from people who are happily married and have great children. Egomaniacs all!! I bet the next thing you're going to say is your 7 year old son is faster than everyone here!!:lol::sly:
 
I'm sick of all this bragging on GTP from people who are happily married and have great children. Egomaniacs all!! I bet the next thing you're going to say is your 7 year old son is faster than everyone here!!:lol::sly:


O please, jonnyboy, next thing you'll be saying is you don't need to be seeing a prostitute as you are one! :rolleyes:

:lol:


Okay, girls, enough of this nonsense already, lets all go back to playing this fantastic arcade racer, apart from Jonny who only plays the simulator version :bowdown:
 
I'm sick of all this bragging on GTP from people who are happily married and have great children. Egomaniacs all!! I bet the next thing you're going to say is your 7 year old son is faster than everyone here!!:lol::sly:

haha to be fair I did post this video 3 years ago when my (then) 9 year old son was very impressive for his age on f1 ... There's also another one I did when he was 8 an impressed me on RacePro.

Proud parent? ... yes

Bragging? Maybe but I don't care LOL

 
I take no credit for Emily Post... but I do highly recommend what she had written. Though many customs she wrote about might be outdated, many traditions antiquated and unnecessary or no longer applicable... she had a keen understanding about why customs, traditions, and etiquette is important... (for those exercising etiquette as much as those on the receiving end)... and had a very good way of succinctly explaining those reasons - which persist even if the goal posts have moved a bit or are, as poss mentioned, differ by culture/region.

You only do yourself a disservice if your manners don't recommend your opinions.

Or should I always hold judgement as he may drunk or having a 'bad day'?

I would advise always holding public judgement when holding it costs nothing in results, as it's one sure way to always be on the high road, and always look better and be more respected than those committing faux pas or even egregious unsociable behaviour.

And, correct or incorrect (because unless someone tells you, you won't know), whenever I see someone being belligerent on a regular basis I always (privately) default to the belief that they're drunk. :lol:
I don't think that's an excuse... or at least not a legitimate one. But it is sometimes an explanation. And if you approach the situation with that mindset... that the cantankerous or trouble-making person, may in fact be drunk - maybe even regularly - you can quickly realize and act accordingly - that arguing with them or trying to control what they're going to say, is likely not a good use of your time & energy.

As for the "bad day".
Lots of people I have interacted with on the forum, and race with online racing over the past few years... could be quite trying from time to time, for one reason or another.
Usually if I approach them privately, and calmly, I find out that it's a case of a "bad day" - or maybe they didn't even realize they were being odd or off-putting, and are quick to want to correct and make up for whatever they said or did that came across poorly.

Maybe there's more to the story, in other words 💡 if it's not a regular thing.

Myself, I have some whole bad months, and occasionally can get snippy or terse, or lose my temper occasionally, or just not feel like responding at all.
And I hope that my pals & acquaintances don't judge me or treat me ill, solely based on what I said/did (or didn't say/do) one day in a moment when that pesky Real Life or an abundance of petty annoyances... had me short tempered...
And instead work from the basis of what I've been like the whole time they've known me.

If you don't know someone much at all, and only judge by one post on a forum... you certainly would be unable to do that.
So what then is lost by holding judgement a little for some more evidence?
 
Excellent counsel, @watermelonpunch.

Too easy to rush to judgement in this instant communication worldl

Later, if it's important enough, one can find out if there is a consistent pattern. If it's really that important!
 
I take no credit for Emily Post... but I do highly recommend what she had written. Though many customs she wrote about might be outdated, many traditions antiquated and unnecessary or no longer applicable... she had a keen understanding about why customs, traditions, and etiquette is important... (for those exercising etiquette as much as those on the receiving end)... and had a very good way of succinctly explaining those reasons - which persist even if the goal posts have moved a bit or are, as poss mentioned, differ by culture/region.

You only do yourself a disservice if your manners don't recommend your opinions.



I would advise always holding public judgement when holding it costs nothing in results, as it's one sure way to always be on the high road, and always look better and be more respected than those committing faux pas or even egregious unsociable behaviour.

And, correct or incorrect (because unless someone tells you, you won't know), whenever I see someone being belligerent on a regular basis I always (privately) default to the belief that they're drunk. :lol:
I don't think that's an excuse... or at least not a legitimate one. But it is sometimes an explanation. And if you approach the situation with that mindset... that the cantankerous or trouble-making person, may in fact be drunk - maybe even regularly - you can quickly realize and act accordingly - that arguing with them or trying to control what they're going to say, is likely not a good use of your time & energy.

As for the "bad day".
Lots of people I have interacted with on the forum, and race with online racing over the past few years... could be quite trying from time to time, for one reason or another.
Usually if I approach them privately, and calmly, I find out that it's a case of a "bad day" - or maybe they didn't even realize they were being odd or off-putting, and are quick to want to correct and make up for whatever they said or did that came across poorly.

Maybe there's more to the story, in other words 💡 if it's not a regular thing.

Myself, I have some whole bad months, and occasionally can get snippy or terse, or lose my temper occasionally, or just not feel like responding at all.
And I hope that my pals & acquaintances don't judge me or treat me ill, solely based on what I said/did (or didn't say/do) one day in a moment when that pesky Real Life or an abundance of petty annoyances... had me short tempered...
And instead work from the basis of what I've been like the whole time they've known me.

If you don't know someone much at all, and only judge by one post on a forum... you certainly would be unable to do that.
So what then is lost by holding judgement a little for some more evidence?


Turning the other cheek, walking away and MOANING about it behind closed doors gets us nowhere in the long run, this is the problem with society these days, problem minorities are not dealt with, issues are not addressed through fear of reprisals and being 'labelled' yourself, you know the ones...
 
Turning the other cheek, walking away and MOANING about it behind closed doors gets us nowhere in the long run, this is the problem with society these days, problem minorities are not dealt with, issues are not addressed through fear of reprisals and being 'labelled' yourself, you know the ones...
You really think insulting someone on this forum is going to induce them change their behaviour? :boggled:

You push someone, they'll push back. You likely won't get someone to agree with you & conform to your standards of behaviour by being nasty to them and making yourself their enemy. I know I don't want to listen to someone who's insulting me. Do you?

Have you heard that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar? :lol:

I think "the problem with our society these days" is there's far too much vinegar being spewed. So there. ;)
 
You really think insulting someone on this forum is going to induce them change their behaviour? :boggled:

When did I say they need insulting back? I didn't even say I feel 'insulted', although I've felt 'insulted' by the lack of respect shown for my opinion/s and the way my posts have been skewed and taken out of context for cheap attacks.

I don't agree with being nasty for the sake of being nasty, I'd rather settle disputes calmly and without a fuss, but I won't hide away and not air a grievance I may have either.

You think ignoring them will change their behaviour? Ok, but respect my rights to holy disagree with you :cheers:
 
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You really think insulting someone on this forum is going to induce them change their behaviour? :boggled:

You push someone, they'll push back. You likely won't get someone to agree with you & conform to your standards of behaviour by being nasty to them and making yourself their enemy. I know I don't want to listen to someone who's insulting me. Do you?

Have you heard that you catch more flies with honey than vinegar? :lol:

I think "the problem with our society these days" is there's far too much vinegar being spewed. So there. ;)

If you look at the number of people who are disappointed with GT6 and obviously think that PD will be encouraged to address their disappointments by being insufferably rude and abusive to them, it's not surprising that these same people will spew vinegar upon people about whom they know nothing and from whom they desire nothing.

And these same people actually expect PD staff to communicate with us via these forums! As though THAT would be a pleasant experience for their staff! Imagine the welcome this vinegar sub-community would heap on some poor polite Japanese PD employee. Just reading pretty much any general thread outside the "Suggestions" on a daily basis must be sufficiently painfully depressing.

What scares me is that this vile bile pile will encourage PD to ignore this "English" language community in preference to listening to those of a more polite culture. Such as Japanese.
 
Excuse me
Too easy to rush to judgement in this instant communication world

Later, if it's important enough, one can find out if there is a consistent pattern. If it's really that important!
Yet you have yourself exhibited snap judgements and made ill advised and rude comments and then walked away from the response without a word. Hypocrisy is another modern facet of the human world that is becoming more prevalent but to see it come from someone who preaches cultural understanding and has such apparent insight into the human condition, I find that surprising.
 
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Excuse me

Yet you have yourself exhibited snap judgements and made ill advised and rude comments and then walked away from the response without a word. Hypocrisy is another modern facet of the modern world that is becoming more prevalent but from to see it come from someone who preaches cultural understanding and has such apparent insight into the human condition, I find that surprising.

When I saw your response to and rejection of my criticism of your posting behavior, I figured I should take some time to consider a better method of communicating my concerns to GTPlanet and its Moderator community. I feel it should should be neither public, nor via keyboard. I guessed that would cause escalation. Looks like I guessed right.

There is too much at stake here. If you look at my posting record, you'll see a constructive pattern through the "Suggestions" sub-forums, and an avoidance of PD-bashing. I want the relationship with PD to be productive and not dragged down.
 
If you look at the number of people who are disappointed with GT6 and obviously think that PD will be encouraged to address their disappointments by being insufferably rude and abusive to them, it's not surprising that these same people will spew vinegar upon people about whom they know nothing and from whom they desire nothing.

And these same people actually expect PD staff to communicate with us via these forums! As though THAT would be a pleasant experience for their staff! Imagine the welcome this vinegar sub-community would heap on some poor polite Japanese PD employee. Just reading pretty much any general thread outside the "Suggestions" on a daily basis must be sufficiently painfully depressing.

What scares me is that this vile bile pile will encourage PD to ignore this "English" language community in preference to listening to those of a more polite culture. Such as Japanese.



I know this isn't directed at me (or at least I hope it isn't...) but if you think the Japanese employees can't' work their way through the 'TROLLING' and pull out the genuine grievance's you don't have 'that' much respect for them....
 
@GBO Possum - Yes, I see a pattern of constructive comments and consideration from you, which is why I found your personal attack on me anomalous and surprising, particularly as the comment you were referencing was all but innocuous. Discussing this in public is reasonable given that we're both adults, both intelligent and above petty insults. I don't have a history of attacking PD, I try and keep my 'personal' posts constructive and at least partially humorous. So why did I make a good target at that point? I'm interested to know; this isn't an argument.

You need to understand though, that staff at GTPlanet are members first, staff second. We are allowed to have and air our opinions the same as anyone else, with the obvious restrictions of good manners and observing the site rules. I'm a PD and Sony customer the same as anyone here and in fact have probably spent a good deal more money on my habit than many. So I would like you justify why you think its ok to preach understanding while openly judging me as staff and as an individual, even calling me out because of my choice of user-name.
 
You are not entitled to do it just to irritate someone and cause an unnecessary argument, which it does in such cases. Its poking someone with a stick until they bite, then pointing the finger at them as the trouble maker.

Really..??

I guess you haven't been on the tuning sub-forum since GT6 has been released then...

What's happened on there makes a mockery of your post...
 
Really..??

I guess you haven't been on the tuning sub-forum since GT6 has been released then...

What's happened on there makes a mockery of your post...
To be honest, no, I've not spent much time there... well, ever, really. If there are problems and inflamed debates that get out of hand in any part of the forums, the report feature is the best way to get our attention.
 
To be honest, no, I've not spent much time there... well, ever, really. If there are problems and inflamed debates that get out of hand in any part of the forums, the report feature is the best way to get our attention.

Sorry, did that but that didn't work..

Even after getting 'his' knuckles rapped, what did 'he' do first post when he returned - straight in with the antagonising again, and hasn't stopped since..
 
snip...
I've also yet to see anyone posting average times and making out like they are a hero. I don't think I've ever seen anyone posting incredible times, including top of the TT times, and making out like a hero.

Have you forgotten the GT5 days of certain pilot :sly:

And no, my signature's first line is not me bragging :lol:
 
Sorry, did that but that didn't work..

Even after getting 'his' knuckles rapped, what did 'he' do first post when he returned - straight in with the antagonising again, and hasn't stopped since..
I don't know who you're referring to. If someone is a persistent trouble maker, they will be dealt with accordingly by one or more of the staff but you (or anyone) have to keep reporting the posts that are causing the problems.
 
I don't know who you're referring to. If someone is a persistent trouble maker, they will be dealt with accordingly by one or more of the staff but you (or anyone) have to keep reporting the posts that are causing the problems.

How many times does the same person have to be reported for the same flame baiting / antagonising..?!

Like I say - sorry, I respect your views/values about what should and shouldn't happen, but like many things in life, 'should' and 'does' can be quite different..
 
How many times does the same person have to be reported for the same flame baiting / antagonising..?!

Like I say - sorry, I respect your views/values about what should and shouldn't happen, but like many things in life, 'should' and 'does' can be quite different..


If Vags doesn't pull you up on derailing a thread I'm reporting him for not doing his job properly!

:D
 
If you look at the number of people who are disappointed with GT6 and obviously think that PD will be encouraged to address their disappointments by being insufferably rude and abusive to them, it's not surprising that these same people will spew vinegar upon people about whom they know nothing and from whom they desire nothing.

And these same people actually expect PD staff to communicate with us via these forums! As though THAT would be a pleasant experience for their staff! Imagine the welcome this vinegar sub-community would heap on some poor polite Japanese PD employee. Just reading pretty much any general thread outside the "Suggestions" on a daily basis must be sufficiently painfully depressing.

What scares me is that this vile bile pile will encourage PD to ignore this "English" language community in preference to listening to those of a more polite culture. Such as Japanese.
People are angry and disappointed with the state of things. We aren't Japanese, most of us anyway, and in most cultures you express your anger so that's what we do. When the communication is all one way, when the other side isn't talking, either directly or through the game itself, this is kind of what happens. You should louder and louder and louder until you are heard. This is a very human experience.

If PD wants some more civil feedback that is easily achievable. Communicate back with us. Tell us what's going on. In the game, in a forum somewhere, on their own website or blog, pick a place and communicate. Regularly, consistently, clearly, in detail. This is 2014, when you update a game and your description is a generic, "Yeah we changed some stuff", that isn't good enough anymore. We don't want to have to play the game and run emperical studies for hours to figure out what you did, just tell us for God's sake.

Missing features, DLC etc. etc. etc. We hear nothing or we hear a vague promise that isn't kept. Customers do not like to be kept waiting and that is reflecting in the sales figures. If PD chooses to ignore this "vile bile" as you characterize it, they do so at their own risk. Their game sells around the world, not just in Japan (where it doesn't sell exceptionally well to begin with) and if they aren't smart enough or aren't culturally aware enough to find a way to disseminate the good, solid, truthful information in forums like this and others, they will continue to see weak sales and bad reviews. Expectations will be through the roof for GT7, and delivering a prettier version of GT6 with a few more cars and tracks won't cut it.
 
@GBO Possum - Yes, I see a pattern of constructive comments and consideration from you, which is why I found your personal attack on me anomalous and surprising, particularly as the comment you were referencing was all but innocuous. Discussing this in public is reasonable given that we're both adults, both intelligent and above petty insults. I don't have a history of attacking PD, I try and keep my 'personal' posts constructive and at least partially humorous. So why did I make a good target at that point? I'm interested to know; this isn't an argument.

You need to understand though, that staff at GTPlanet are members first, staff second. We are allowed to have and air our opinions the same as anyone else, with the obvious restrictions of good manners and observing the site rules. I'm a PD and Sony customer the same as anyone here and in fact have probably spent a good deal more money on my habit than many. So I would like you justify why you think its ok to preach understanding while openly judging me as staff and as an individual, even calling me out because of my choice of user-name.

I obviously needed to choose better words since they were taken as a "personal attack". That's why keyboarded words are so open to interpretation.

My key message is that to refer to the corporate pride of a Japanese company as "ridiculous" is to tread on difficult ground with a Japanese company.

Both corporate pride and national pride are raised to art forms in Japan. Here is one (automotive) anecdote from my own experience.

I was on a seminar tour in Japan, going from city to city addressing groups of people. (With a translator, I might add!) Along the way, I had the honor of meeting with a number of my company's customers. We duly arrived at the offices of an auto manufacturer (not Toyota) in our Toyota Century. During the meeting preamble, we were told that while it was quite acceptable to arrive in a Toyota today, when this company had worked its way out of some current less than stellar times, we would be expected to arrive in one of their cars, not a Toyota.

This was an important issue for this executive, and had it been suggested by anybody that such a prideful attitude was "ridiculous" he would have been extraordinarily offended.

We want PD to do many things for us, and can't assume that they will respond well to insensitivity.
 
If Vags doesn't pull you up on derailing a thread I'm reporting him for not doing his job properly!
I'm also guilty of derailing it so that would make me a hypocrite at this point. :sly: Maybe I'll PM the thread author and ask if I can change the subject to 'GT6 and the human condition' ..?

@GBO Possum - fair enough, I can understand that. I might suggest a less confrontational manner, then; your command of English is sufficient to avoid most misunderstandings. ;)

I like the story, it is a cultural insight 👍 ...and made me mindful of another story I heard, in much a similar vein. When Robert Kubica was signed by the BMW F1 team, they asked him what he wanted as a company car, the assumption being that he had the pick of any BMW he wanted. "A Mitsubishi Evolution" he says. They were most amused and explained it had to be a BMW, however. This is a good example of common attitudes in Europe when it comes to business. No insult was meant by Kubica, in fact he was probably trying to amuse them (as well as get an Evo). No-one was offended and no pride was dented.

My comment about "ridiculous corporate pride" in a European context is almost an expected consumer reaction. It may be insulting to the Japanese business ethos but here's my problem with that: Their biggest market by way of raw sales is Europe, followed by America, both of whom adopt a more vocal and less respectful approach to dealing with dissatisfaction, culturally. Surely from a marketing point of view as well as a cultural view, it would be better to embrace and understand how your biggest customer bases will react and then adapt, than stick to a way that is currently creating the most impatience?

If indeed any one from PD browses these forums, they must surely feel alarmed first rather than just offended and should then react accordingly, shouldn't they? In any disagreement or issue that arises between people, on whatever level, the most maddening thing is getting no answer to your questions, no response to explain or justify what has happened or why something is the way it is, or what can be done to resolve it. They must also understand that the only reason the emotions are running this high in the first place is because everyone feels so strongly about it; GT is a passion for everyone here or they simply wouldn't be here. That in itself is an indication of how Kaz's dream has touched people. But it isn't our dream, we require substance and we require feeding. Even drip feeding would be better than nothing.

(None of this was meant in a confrontational manner, I simply wish to convey the importance of mutual understanding.)
 
@Vagabond, I hear where you and others are coming from, and that as customers buying PD's products, you expect them to understand your European/American/Canadian/Australian/Kiwi etc context. I'll come back to that later. I feel the need to ramble some before that.

I'm in the fortunate position of not having read anything much about GT6 before launch, so my expectations were not very specific. I checked out the track list, I knew there were lots of cars, I read and admired the stuff about the coming ability to build a track from a GPS log, and I knew I'd be able to race online with my Aussie mate who lives nearby in Massachusetts. We prepared ourselves with a few weeks of GT5 to get to understand how to work a PS3, and what type of stuff there is in GT.

When the GT6 reality set in, and we got over the setup teething issues of a new console environment, we started having a good time and are still loving it. When I saw that GT6 multi-screen had been demoed in Taiwan, I went out and bought two more copies of GT6 at full retail price. They are sitting on the shelf and that's OK.

That said, I can see many areas for improvement. The Photomode Camera is really poorly implemented for example. Having taken over a thousand GT photos, I've had ample time to swear at the silly thing. You'll see I've submitted many camera-related feature requests.

When Jordan announced the Suggestion Box, my eyes lit up! I love this stuff! I'm a volunteer member of the very small beta test team for "Anki Drive," and have been prolific in submitting daily test journals, bug reports and enhancement suggestions. The way to get these acted upon is to carefully document use cases, document the suggestion/bug and explain why it's important. Rarely is this a brief effort. In this forum, with the apparent emphasis on getting suggestions "Liked", I'm in a quandary.

If I fully document a suggestion in a manner that would be suitable for the Product Managers at PD, it's going to be lengthy. One of my submissions was described as a "manifesto"! The poster made it clear that "manifesto" was complimentary, not derogatory, so I'm happy with that. But it didn't get many forum votes of course, and nor did I expect it to. It's not like my very popular suggestion to make the cars make echo sounds when they are under bridges or in tunnels. It's a one-liner, so the choice to like or ignore is easy.

So I have chosen a middle path. I'll garner some votes with some simple suggestions, and also write some manifestos for PD. Hopefully, when they see I can attract votes, they'll look to see what else I've suggested. Maybe not. I don't expect to ever know (unless function I defined shows up sometime in the future).

What I won't do is to expect PD to switch from behaving in a Japanese way to communicating in a Western manner. It's not going to happen. And I don't care. You see, I'm asking them to do something for me. I'm asking them for a favor. In fact, I'm asking them for maybe fifty favors!

Given that I want something from PD, and I want it passionately, I'm prepared to submit suggestions according to my understanding of what will make them happy. A happy PD is one which is more likely to go the extra mile and incorporate stuff for which they have no formal budget. I'll try to be courteous and clear and explain myself very carefully. I will not expect to hear back from anyone at PD. They can have my ideas with no strings attached. If they fear that by contacting me/us through these forums that they may open themselves up to intellectual property licensing obligations, then I'm happy to be kept in the dark like a mushroom.

If, by being nice to PD, the result is a richer future Gran Turismo experience, with some of our ideas incorporated in some manner then my personal goal will have been achieved. I want the PD people to want to do the stuff I'm asking for. I want them to feel appreciated, respected and motivated to please us. Because I want a lot from them.

As far as you lot are concerned, I don't want anything from you so I feel like I can be totally rude to you! :mischievous:

JUST KIDDING!!! :lol:

I actually DO want something from you, so I'll try to be really nice to you from now on. :D

I'd really like it if you would choose to unofficially join my crusade to use our subtle powers of persuasion to motivate PD to give us what we so desperately want. I want these things so bad I can taste it. If you share this, please share my goal!

/end MANIFESTO!
 
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