Silly times at the ring

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Is it worth posting times anymore? there are some times that are ridiculous posted now e.g.the ring in circut practice mode, the verification system seems to have been aborted so there does not seem to be any point, the two fastest times in the catagory are as most genuine people know impossible, can anything be done or do we just forget it.
 
Huhu so are you saying im a bull****er just because you can´t do that lap?

Dude, i will really not discusse about this thing. If u want prof, i have the .max file of this lap and Jump_ace is preparing the video of it now.

BTw, for the one who said that 4'48.108 lap is impossible i have the video of it already and the link is http://www.davidanderson.org.uk/files/gt4/veilsidebrnurburgringminolta.wmv.








ps: the .max file attached is the file of that 4'44.650 lap.
 

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amp88
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The times aren't necessarily false. Just because you or I couldn't do them doesn't make them impossible. Forced verification of times would cut the fastest laps section right down, as most people don't have the facility to fully verify their times.
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These times are deffinatley false, they are impossible thats not just my oppinion, look at the time currently in second place its with mediun tyres?, I won the UK comp for the fastest lap of the ring in that mode in that car and 4.56 is a possibility but not the silly times thes people are claiming.My point is that the verification system would sort it all out if it was actually in opperation.
 
roadrunnerx
These times are deffinatley false, they are impossible thats not just my oppinion, look at the time currently in second place its with mediun tyres?, I won the UK comp for the fastest lap of the ring in that mode in that car and 4.56 is a possibility but not the silly times thes people are claiming.My point is that the verification system would sort it all out if it was actually in opperation.
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You're wrong.
 
amp88
You're wrong.
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As I said verification would sort it all out, I have appologised to veilsidebr for the missunderstanding as his times are in arcade mode and without a doubt the fastest there is, its his times that prove the others to be impossible because you cant tune an F1 in that made and yet it beats veilsidebr s by two seconds hence its impossible and will never be verified(should the system be used again.
 
veilsidebr has proven his times with replays. This proves that a time in the region of 4 minutes 45 seconds is possible with the 88C-V. That's more than 11 seconds better than your time. Yes, it's possible. Why is it not possible that the F1 car could go even quicker? Better power to weight ratio than the 88C-V, more downforce. Ok, so it's got less grippy tyres than the 88C-V, and it's harder to drive around the ring due to the bumps, but don't you agree it's possible, now that you know a 4'44.650 is possible for the 88C-V (which you didn't think was possible before you started this topic)?

As I've said before, forcing people to verify their times would mean that hardly anybody could submit a time. It would force people to buy piece of hardware just to prove their times. A lot of people wouldn't want to do that. If you're really borthered by it, you could just sort the results by the "Status" column and only look at the Verified ones.
 
amp88
veilsidebr has proven his times with replays. This proves that a time in the region of 4 minutes 45 seconds is possible with the 88C-V. That's more than 11 seconds better than your time. Yes, it's possible. Why is it not possible that the F1 car could go even quicker? Better power to weight ratio than the 88C-V, more downforce. Ok, so it's got less grippy tyres than the 88C-V, and it's harder to drive around the ring due to the bumps, but don't you agree it's possible, now that you know a 4'44.650 is possible for the 88C-V (which you didn't think was possible before you started this topic)?

As I've said before, forcing people to verify their times would mean that hardly anybody could submit a time. It would force people to buy piece of hardware just to prove their times. A lot of people wouldn't want to do that. If you're really borthered by it, you could just sort the results by the "Status" column and only look at the Verified ones.
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My fastest times on the ring in bothmodes are in the 4.52 s which is still admittedly nine seconds slower than veilsidebrs but in circut practice mode you can NOT tune the F1 its 30 odd miles per hour slower than the minolta do the maths.
 
veilsidebr
BTw, for the one who said that 4'48.108 lap is impossible i have the video of it already and the link is http://www.davidanderson.org.uk/files/gt4/veilsidebrnurburgringminolta.wmv.
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HOLY SMOKE !1!!!!!111!1..... That is proper fast !...

I remember the first vids we saw of Sphinx' 5'35.something lap and thought That was fast !..

Can't wait for the 4'44 video - Should fix a couple of the obvious mistakes (that I of course wouldn't have made... ;) ) ;)
 
maybe veilsidebr is more skilled than you and thats being reflected in the times, i can only manage times in the 5:28s.

I rate veilsidebr as one of the top drivers on GTP.
 
F1 GT Mode
Power: 904bhp
Mass: 550kg
Front Downforce: 75
Rear Downforce: 105
Tyres: R3/R3

Power/Weight Ratio: 1644bhp/tonne

Minolta Arcade Mode, Fully Tuned
Power: 1087bhp
Mass: 765kg
Front Downforce: 63
Rear Downforce: 88
Tyres: R5/R5

Power/Weight Ratio: 1420bhp/tonne

So, the F1 car has a higher power to weight ratio and a fair amount more downforce. I don't know the size of the tyres on the 88C-V, but I doubt they're as big as F1 rubber. So, the 88C-V may have grippier rubber, but the F1 probably has more on the track.

What I've done here is to provide a semi-scientific analysis of some key aspects of the comparison. I have not merely said "It's impossible the 88C-V is quicker than the F1 because I said so. It's impossible".

Would you like to provide some statistics of some evidence to support your claim that it's "impossible" that the F1 car could lap quicker than the 88C-V?
 
GT_Fan2005
maybe veilsidebr is more skilled than you and thats being reflected in the times, i can only manage times in the 5:28s.

I rate veilsidebr as one of the top drivers on GTP.
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Naaah.. He sucks.. Bad.. I bet I could do a 4 flat :dopey:

Then again - Probably not ;)

👍 to VSBR for the 4'44
 
GT_Fan2005
maybe veilsidebr is more skilled than you and thats being reflected in the times, i can only manage times in the 5:28s.

I rate veilsidebr as one of the top drivers on GTP.
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There aint no maybe about it just as I was closing in on his 4.48 he does a 4.44 Im gutted but looking forward to the video.
 
roadrunnerx
There aint no maybe about it just as I was closing in on his 4.48 he does a 4.44 Im gutted but looking forward to the video.
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I wouldn't worry too much about it mate... There's (in 99.998% of the cases) always someone faster.. I could never achieve times anywhere nearly as fast as what guys like you an VSBR brings on - and still... I'm by far the fastest of the people I hang out with, work with etc.. And yet I suck at GT4...

I'm fairly sure, looking at VSBRs vid, that 4'40 flat is achievable - And I'm sure one of you will get there...
 
Flerbizky
HOLY SMOKE !1!!!!!111!1..... That is proper fast !...

I remember the first vids we saw of Sphinx' 5'35.something lap and thought That was fast !..

Can't wait for the 4'44 video - Should fix a couple of the obvious mistakes (that I of course wouldn't have made... ;) ) ;)
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Hehe yes, if u compare that 4'48.108 lap to this new 4'44.650 lap in terms of mistakes, its the same as to compare a rally car to a F1 car. 👍

This new lap at least imo, was one faultless. Didn´t touch grass with 2 wheels at any time, i think just once in that twisty part but nothing serious.
 
Australian MOTOR magazine ran a contest for outright fastest lap of the 'ring. Final times were checked via replays.

 
veilsidebr
Hehe yes, if u compare that 4'48.108 lap to this new 4'44.650 lap in terms of mistakes, its the same as to compare a rally car to a F1 car. 👍

This new lap at least imo, was one faultless. Didn´t touch grass with 2 wheels at any time, i think just once in that twisty part but nothing serious.
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Can't wait ;)


You might want to check this out - I'm in no way associated with them btw.. Some sort of GT4 Nurb competition... Money to be made I think..
 
Flerbizky
I wouldn't worry too much about it mate... There's (in 99.998% of the cases) always someone faster.. I could never achieve times anywhere nearly as fast as what guys like you an VSBR brings on - and still... I'm by far the fastest of the people I hang out with, work with etc.. And yet I suck at GT4...

I'm fairly sure, looking at VSBRs vid, that 4'40 flat is achievable - And I'm sure one of you will get there...
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4'40 is nowhere in GT4. Its impossible. 👍

If u do a lap like god and i really and still think its impossible or waaaaay to hard, u will touch the 4'42.6. 👍

i can do a 4'43, but its like jumping from the sixth floor and geting alive so hard it is.
 
amp88
F1 GT Mode
Power: 904bhp
Mass: 550kg
Front Downforce: 75
Rear Downforce: 105
Tyres: R3/R3

Power/Weight Ratio: 1644bhp/tonne

Minolta Arcade Mode, Fully Tuned
Power: 1087bhp
Mass: 765kg
Front Downforce: 63
Rear Downforce: 88
Tyres: R5/R5

Power/Weight Ratio: 1420bhp/tonne

So, the F1 car has a higher power to weight ratio and a fair amount more downforce. I don't know the size of the tyres on the 88C-V, but I doubt they're as big as F1 rubber. So, the 88C-V may have grippier rubber, but the F1 probably has more on the track.

What I've done here is to provide a semi-scientific analysis of some key aspects of the comparison. I have not merely said "It's impossible the 88C-V is quicker than the F1 because I said so. It's impossible".

Would you like to provide some statistics of some evidence to support your claim that it's "impossible" that the F1 car could lap quicker than the 88C-V?
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Would A replay of the F1 doing a 4.57 clean lap flat out convince you, if you can see (without cheating) where 15 seconds can be gained then you may have a point but you wont because it cant, I can also supply a minolta doing a 4.52 this can only be acheived using nitro (a feature not available on the F1) Viewing the two you will see what I mean when I say its impossible for the F1 to go round the ring in a time of 4.42 no matter who drives it.
 
roadrunnerx
Would A replay of the F1 doing a 4.57 clean lap flat out convince you, if you can see (without cheating) where 15 seconds can be gained then you may have a point but you wont because it cant, I can also supply a minolta doing a 4.52 this can only be acheived using nitro (a feature not available on the F1) Viewing the two you will see what I mean when I say its impossible for the F1 to go round the ring in a time of 4.42 no matter who drives it.
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Look up at somebody's post
 
somebody
Australian MOTOR magazine ran a contest for outright fastest lap of the 'ring. Final times were checked via replays.

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Daniel holland is a great friend of me, best known as "Holl01" here. He is surely leggit. But that man in the "4'39.039" is so liar as someone who said that jumped for suicide from the 20th floor and got alive without even a broken leg. 👍

If u don´t trust me, wait for my 4'44 lap video and just search in where could u extract a blast 5 or 6 seconds.
 
I can say a 4'42 is possible. But its not the easiest task so far.

Maybe i will touch it someday but with tons and millions of tons of work put.
 
Flerbizky
Can't wait ;)


You might want to check this out - I'm in no way associated with them btw.. Some sort of GT4 Nurb competition... Money to be made I think..
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Ive allready made some mony from it I won a V.I.P. weekend in le mans at the 24 hours where I represented the UK in the european finals (come third), but that was nothing compared to some of the guys there, 6 of them actually won 350 z s in ther national competitions one guy(great guy from Ireland )won a specail gt4 model worth about 60,000 euros.
 
veilsidebr
4'40 is nowhere in GT4. Its impossible. 👍
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Yearh well mate - I beg to differ... I still think _somone_ (Might as well be you !) will provide a 4'40 flat... I'm all theory and no driving skills, and your 4'48** shows lots of very small mistakes - iron all those out - and I'm convinced 4'40 is possible ;)

**Obviously - as you've said, the diff between the 4'48 and the 4'44 is enourmous - Guess I'll have to wait and see...

PS.. When I say "mistakes" - It's by no means in a bad way - I wish I had ½ your skills !.....
 
Flerbizky
Yearh well mate - I beg to differ... I still think _somone_ (Might as well be you !) will provide a 4'40 flat... I'm all theory and no driving skills, and your 4'48** shows lots of very small mistakes - iron all those out - and I'm convinced 4'40 is possible ;)

**Obviously - as you've said, the diff between the 4'48 and the 4'44 is enourmous - Guess I'll have to wait and see...

PS.. When I say "mistakes" - It's by no means in a bad way - I wish I had ½ your skills !.....
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Hehe yes that´s what i said about mistakes.

If u compare that lap to this new 4'44.650 in terms of little mistakes, its the same as to compare a rally track to Magny Cours F1 race track. 👍
 
I think people (including veilsidebr) are missing the point. A 4'42 or 4'43 might be the best possible laptime from the 88C-V, but I believe the F1 car is inherently faster. The stats agree with me. I remember a Best Motoring video where they were talking with one of the Nissan personnel who was involved with one of their cars (I believe it was the R92CP). He was saying they turned the turbo boost up for qualifying so the cars were producing 1200bhp and they were as quick as the F3 cars. F3 cars are, obviously, not a patch on F1 cars, so there's a huge gulf there.
 
amp88
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Yup 16 seconds faster than the guy in second, all that proves is they have liars and cheats in oz too.I have sent a photo attach to this file,you may regognie the guy standing next to me, as I had won the UK comp whith the F1 on the ring in circut practice mode it was mentioned, this guy had a good idea of which was the fast car on ring in that mode he also had a good idea of how fast the F1 could go round the ring it was NOT sub 4.50.
 

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Yup 16 seconds faster than the guy in second, all that proves is they have liars and cheats in oz too.
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He did say the final times were verified by replay...
 
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