Skyline r34 gtr vs C5 z06

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does anyone know which is faster around the track? im thinkin the z06 would be a little faster with its obvious hp to weight advantage, and good cornering, but does anyone have the numbers for nurburgring, tsukuba or any other popular tracks for both?
 
I have a best motoring video of a r-34, lan evo, c5 corvette and a couple of cars battle around a track.

Guess what, the c5 came in last. Oh, and i remember, there's the supra too.
 
Originally posted by TsLeng
I have a best motoring video of a r-34, lan evo, c5 corvette and a couple of cars battle around a track.

Guess what, the c5 came in last. Oh, and i remember, there's the supra too.


What? Japanese cars win a track comparo on a Japanese TV show?

How unexpected :rolleyes:


///M-Spec
 
It was the Best Motoring JDM vs Super Car battle.

JDM: Skyline R34 Vspec II - NSX S zero - Lancer Evolution 7 RS

VS

Super Cars: Z51 C5 Corvette - Ferrari 360 - Porsche 996 Turbo

These are the standings at the end of the race -

1. Porsche
2. R34
3. Evo
4. NSX
5. Ferrari
6. Corvette

What? Japanese cars win a track comparo on a Japanese TV show?

Best Motoring isn't Motor Trend, the people who drive the cars are actual racecar drivers. Some are better then others, but its no way biased.
 
I've got some times for the Nurburgring for a Corvette and a Skyline, use the following link to get to the site.

http://www.nordschleife.no/

'98 Corvette (344bhp) - 8 mins 40 secs

'99 Skyline GTR (276bhp) - 8 mins 28 secs

Of course with any lap times (particularly at the Nurburgring), driver skill and knowledge is vital and can have an effect on times.

Still you will struggle to find a better circuit as a test of a performance car as an overall package.

If you want a comparison on the times the current lap record for a road car on road tyres is:

'03 Radical SR3 Turbo - 7 mins 19 secs

Bloody quick or what!
 
Best motoring isnt exactly the best way to judge the validity of sports cars. They all might be race car drivers, but that doesnt mean anything. You could put colin mcrae and michael schumacher in a race to see which rally car was better Evo8 or new STi, and just because the Evo wins with mcrae driving, doesnt mean that its a better car.
 
:rolleyes: Who said anything about what car is better?

The question was: What car is faster around a track. Not, what car is better?

Take the time to read through the post's before you make a reply. It would also help if you brought more then your assumption's to the thread.

I should of noted that Keiichi Tsuchiya was driving the R34 in the above test.
 
I hope that people know that the C5 Z06 lapped the Nurburgring (same circuit layout used for the laps of Porsche 911s, etc) @ 7.57 mins. Now that is awesome, and right on par with the efforts from Europe and Japan. Well beating the efforts from Japan (NSX, GT-R), because the Nurburgring includes all sorts of corners, and straights (where the Japanese cars lose out and thus have a slower lap time because they don't have the same straight line speed, but an equally good chassis), and the track is the ultimate test not just for the car, but for the car AND driver as well, indicating that there was a very good driver behind a very good car. Porsche have lapped very similar times,

Now that is a very good lap time for a car that costs $50k, and is built with a lot of compromise, not fogetting that it isn't the most advanced car, but it has awesome on-track abilities, thanks to its chassis (although maybe not advanced, but technology isn't the solution to everything, but to a lot of problems). Granted, the suspension system has won awards for its technology (like the very quick damping rates).

Stereotypes proven wrong:-

American cars are only for straight line racing.
American cars are low tech.
American cars don't have a good chassis.
American cars have a low bhp/l ratio, but it doesn't effect what matters - performance.

However, if the next GT-R has similar power, which it most probably will, then we will see equally good lap times, with the close in the deficit of power making up for lost time, by not losing straight line speed.
 
Originally posted by ViperUK

Now that is a very good lap time for a car that costs $50k, and is built with a lot of compromise, not fogetting that it isn't the most advanced car, but it has awesome on-track abilities, thanks to its chassis (although maybe not advanced, but technology isn't the solution to everything, but to a lot of problems). Granted, the suspension system has won awards for its technology (like the very quick damping rates).
It's only 50k in the UK? It's 52 here and it's MADE here, that doesn't add up.
Stereotypes proven wrong:-

American cars are only for straight line racing.
American cars are low tech.
American cars don't have a good chassis.
American cars have a low bhp/l ratio, but it doesn't effect what matters - performance.
Those are stereotypes for muscle cars, not all american cars, and the vette doesn't and never has fallen under the catagory of a muscle car.
And a pushrod engine is still very low tech...great, but low tech.


And just for the record...the NSX-R is faster than the GT-R at the Nurburgring, with a 7'56
 
Originally posted by Driftster
It's only 50k in the UK? It's 52 here and it's MADE here, that doesn't add up.

Those are stereotypes for muscle cars, not all american cars, and the vette doesn't and never has fallen under the catagory of a muscle car.
And a pushrod engine is still very low tech...great, but low tech.


And just for the record...the NSX-R is faster than the GT-R at the Nurburgring, with a 7'56

I used a $ notation, but it is £50k in the UK for the C5 Z06, quoted by Evo magazine. But the car isn't officially sold here, but is by importers (i.e. Motorex style), with little or no SVA work. If the car was to be imported, the price would be slightly higher. I'm pretty sure there is no SVA work, but then I don't always research the facts because I am lazy :lol:

In a friendly tone, do you know that the LS6 beats the M5 and S54 engines in pretty much all engineering credentials? I.E. less weight, lower CoG, better MPG, etc... Low tech it certainly is, agreed.

Than NSX-R time is awesome. I thought it was about 8:15, must have been another, probably older, standard model (in terms of manufacturer range) model.
 
Do you know what the exchange rate is for the crazzzzy money to dollars? I don't know crazy money....And what is the average charge via those importers and what not...
 
Importing a car is fairly cheap, if you have to legalize the car, that alone in most cases is more expensive then the import fee.

£50,000 gbp = $83,424 usd
 
Holy crap.....That's more expensive tan a fast skyline, considering a R33 GTR is faster than a R34 GTR.....Whooa...But....You do get what you pay for.
 
the fastest time i read an r34 do in nurburgring was 7:59, but i heard it was slightly modified.

where did you get that 7:56 time for the nsx-r??
 
i read that article about the z06. it says its lap time was under 8 min. didnt read where it specifically says 7:57, but thats for the 04 commemorative edition z06 vette, which has a lighter carbon fiber hood, and some differences in some of the parts for the 04 vettes, they said it wasnt much, but made a big difference.
 
Originally posted by ShobThaBob
Yeah SkylineGTR guy...it will be interesting to see...in 2007.

yep 2007. Thats when I graduate from pharmacy school so I'll have my 25K sign on bonus to make a nice down payment. After that the 2K a week salary should support the payments. :D Unless I end up getting the R34 because they screw something up on the 35.
 
Well I got the time for the NSX-R from best MOTORing, Gan San drove a NSX-R around the track...full coverage from start to finish.

Hell the new Z does it in like 8:25 I think
 
Personally, I like the Z06 over the Skyline. The Z06 does ave very good handling, and the power to match it. The amazing thing is, the car can run with the best of the world, and still be a very comfortable daily driver...
 
In a friendly tone, do you know that the LS6 beats the M5 and S54 engines in pretty much all engineering credentials? I.E. less weight, lower CoG, better MPG, etc... Low tech it certainly is, agreed.

except in a key figure. one thats a good measure of effieciency, horsepower per liter.

Z06. 5.7 liters, 405 horses= 71.05
M5. 5.0 liters, 394 horses= 78.80
M3. 3.2 liters, 321 horses= 100.31 horseys. big ones.

we could also compare such mundane things as redlines, turning radius and so on just to skew the data another way.

when you compare DOHC engines to OHV engines, especially in light of things like center of gravity, you really skew the comparison to make it appear your way. by nature, specifically the twin cams in each head and multiple valves for each cylinder, DOHC engines are much more top heavy than OHV engines. when you factor in such goodies as double VANOS which the BMW engines have (VANOS is variable valve timing and lift in BMW speak) you also add weight to the head. if i recall correctly the system uses oil pressure and requires a separate oil pump for its operation. additionally the corvettes cam is in the vee between the banks, much lower than the BMWs and only operates two valves per cylinder. which is a considerable achievement when you consider how powerful it is.

the more efficient and more complex DOHC units also always weigh more than comparable OHV units of the same displacement and material. they generally have twice as many valves, four times as many camshafts in the case of the M5, the requisite timing chain to keep that symphony working, bigger heads that contain andother paraphenalia that make them heavier. that siad they generally spin higher and breathe better, a function of the ease of use of hemispherical chambers and cross flow combustion.
the OHV engines typically have pushrods in the place where you'd place the intake port. this usually results in the port coming in from an angle making a near 90 degree turn into the chamber and at exiting executing another near 90 angle. this achieves the cross flow characteristic required for good evacutation and filling of the combustion chamber but those two turns just before and after the cylinder prevent good flow characteristics compared to an OHC engine which can have the mixture basically go straight in and out.

mpg is dependent on many different factors. like how tall a car is. or how heavy. or how aerodynamically efficient. or its gearing. etc etc etc. the corvettes great fuel economy is a result of many of these things. its lighter than an M5 by almost 1000 lbs. 3116 lbs vs 3781 lbs for the M3 and 4024 lbs for the M5. yet the M3 has figures that are only 2mpg worse than the corvette even though it has a smaller engine and a heavier curb weight, taller profile and worse Cd. the corvette also has a ridiculously long overdrive sixth. something like 0.50 compared to most cars that have an overdrive of about 0.70 or so. for height, the corvette is 47.8 vs 53.7 for the M3 and 56.6 for the M5. corvette seats two while the M3 seats 4 and the M5 can seat 5. as for aerodynamics, we wont even compare an out and out sports car to two sports sedans that are ultimately derived from luxury cars.

not really a fair comparison i think.

figures taken from edmunds.com.
 
Originally posted by Frustrated Palm
Personally, I like the Z06 over the Skyline. The Z06 does ave very good handling, and the power to match it. The amazing thing is, the car can run with the best of the world, and still be a very comfortable daily driver...

the amazing thing is how a corvette has a pushrod engine, and relatively old technology, and it can keep up and maybe beat one of he most advanced cars on earth. and also, how it is incredibly cheap and can eat stones like ferraris and stuff, and keep in pair with triple-cost porsches and double-cost skylines. that is why I like the vette and the american efforts. yeah! they are poorly built but they run :D

Cano
 
Originally posted by Cano
the amazing thing is how a corvette has a pushrod engine, and relatively old technology, and it can keep up and maybe beat one of he most advanced cars on earth. and also, how it is incredibly cheap and can eat stones like ferraris and stuff, and keep in pair with triple-cost porsches and double-cost skylines. that is why I like the vette and the american efforts. yeah! they are poorly built but they run :D

Cano

bouble cost depending where you live. :p
 
GTR_guy is right, the cost depend's heavily on where you live.

I also find it funny that when these two car's are compared, (R34 Skyline-C5 Corvette) people who are on the Corvette's side forget to bring up the fact that the Skyline weigh's more, and has 100hp less, or more depending on the model of Corvette.

Bottom line, an under-powered, over-weight car doesn't beat a car like the Corvette on pure luck/driver skill. Give credit where credit is due, the C5 Corvette is a huge achievement for the U.S, but the R34 Skyline is faster in almost every aspect, especially on a racetrack.

- Monster
 
it simply shows that power isn't everything. One of the main reasons the skyline is such a formidable force on the track is because it was designed on the Nurburgring so naturally it will have great handling.

I do have a question though...is the c5 corvette a special edition? or what makes it different from a regular corvette?
 
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