So I used a G25... [on GT5]

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Nastradamus87
Is that so? Has there been a poll to show this or have you been hanging around these forums for such a long time that you have observed a large number of discussions regarding pedal mods that very fast people participated in and confirmed that they have modded pedals? Not trying to be a jerk about this, but it seems like you're pulling that statement out of thin air without anything to back it up, in which case it is as likely to be untrue as it is likely to be true.

Second, the only significant pedal modification that I know of is for the break pedal.
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Modding can be:
- Changing the position of the pedals so you have more space inbetween
- Pedal mods (more resistance, usually brake pedal gets modded)
- Inverting
 
Energizerrr
Majority of very fast people who use G25/G27 have modded pedals.
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Nastradamus87
Is that so? Has there been a poll to show this or have you been hanging around these forums for such a long time that you have observed a large number of discussions regarding pedal mods that very fast people participated in and confirmed that they have modded pedals? Not trying to be a jerk about this, but it seems like you're pulling that statement out of thin air without anything to back it up, in which case it is as likely to be untrue as it is likely to be true.

Second, the only significant pedal modification that I know of is for the break pedal.
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Energizerrr
Modding can be:
- Changing the position of the pedals so you have more space inbetween
- Pedal mods (more resistance, usually brake pedal gets modded)
- Inverting
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I agree, but how does listing the different types of modifications for the G25/G27 pedals answer my above question?

1) I said that many of the fastest users on GTPlanet use the G25 or G27 so it is hard to argue that the pedals are "useless" as you have claimed.

2) You responded by saying that most of the fastest users have modified pedals.

3) I asked on what basis you claim that most of the fast users have modified pedals.

4) You listed off different types pedal modifications.

1 through 4 is not a logical conversation. You didn't answer my question.


dark_ruffo
I don't think "modding" the pedals makes you faster, nor is required to be fast.
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Energizerrr
Did I say that?
Everyone gets used to what they have. I'm just used to my real car, and CSP are extremly close to it.
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See 1 and 2 above. I said that many of the fastest users on GTPlanet use G25 or G27 pedals. You responded to this by saying that most of the fast users have modified pedals. Your response implies that you think modified pedals are required to be fast. If you don't think modified pedals are needed to be fast, then why did you tell us that most fast users have modified pedals?

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If you don't like the G25/G27 pedals compared to another set of pedals that's fine, but if you reread the entire thread from the beginning I think you will see you are saying a lot of things that are NOT matters of fact very matter-of-factly. For example, how you said the G25/G27 pedals are "useless".

This isn't really going anyway anymore, though, so I'll take my leave. Enjoy you new wheel and pedals. They look great and should make playing GT5 infinitely more fun for you. 👍
 
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Everyone gets used to what they have, that's why there are Div1 Gold players with DFGT or even DFP. A better wheel doesn't make you faster but a good set of pedals do.
Some people:
a) Either get used to crappy pedals
b) Mod them (even if it only meant putting a bungee cord on them)

Get my point now?
 
Energizerrr
Everyone gets used to what they have, that's why there are Div1 Gold players with DFGT or even DFP. A better wheel doesn't make you faster but a good set of pedals do.
Some people:
a) Either get used to crappy pedals
b) Mod them (even if it only meant putting a bungee cord on them)

Get my point now?
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No.
 
Energizerrr
Did I say that?
Everyone gets used to what they have. I'm just used to my real car, and CSP are extremly close to it.
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Even the load cell is not close to real brakes. As mention before in another thread the force required to lock up your brakes even without ABS IRL (on dry pavement) would very likely damage the load cell. (I've already had to replace a few load cells on my CSP) This is why some drivers have claimed ABS on is more realistic in sims even with cars that doesn't have ABS IRL.
I'm not sure CSP gives me any advantage unless the game is designed with load cell in mind (like Iracing for example).
 
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Mr P510
I've found the G25 great with GT5 and my current set-up.

http://i915.photobucket.com/albums/ac360/Ttitanium/G25 Set up/IMAG0090.jpg
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That's a sweet setup. 👍
@ ZoomZoom
My car irl has no ABS and you're right that it takes a serious ammount of force to lock up. I have never locked up my wheels, so yeah...ABS1 is closer to ABS0 irl than GT5's ABS0.
Control = advantage
With CSP you have much more control over your braking which means you're bound to be faster on CSP than on G27/25's pedals.
 
The wobbling on the straights is the biggest let down for me

Try to go 200 on sarthe in a really light car without getting into a speed wobble and spinning out. its damn near impossible. Use the DS3 - straight as an arrow
 
Energizerrr
That's a sweet setup. 👍
@ ZoomZoom
My car irl has no ABS and you're right that it takes a serious ammount of force to lock up. I have never locked up my wheels, so yeah...ABS1 is closer to ABS0 irl than GT5's ABS0.
Control = advantage
With CSP you have much more control over your braking which means you're bound to be faster on CSP than on G27/25's pedals.
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Again this depends on the software. For example with Forza 3 the CSP can make it harder to lock up your brakes but I found this also make it a little harder to find the sweet spot right before locking up the brakes as well. I was surprised I couldn't out brake my old ghost done by the Mircosoft Wireless wheel until I set my CSP brakes to be very sensitive. Of course this made it easier to lock up my brakes yet easier find the sweet spot to brake to the max. Some of the top times in Forza 3 was done with the Microsoft Wireless wheel which is a very cheap wheel. No doubt Forza 3 was designed so people who had wheel and CSP didn't have an advantage over the majority with controllers.
 
Well i purchased a G25 when they where first released (think when GT prologue came out) and it is still going as strong as ever !!!! and this wheel has seen some serious use probably 15-20 hours per week over the life of the wheel and it is whisper quiet!!!. its quieter and smoother than my mates 3 month old G27 (no joke) this wheel has been through quite a few games
-F1 championship edition
- gt prologue
- dirt 1 and 2
- grid
- F1 2010
- GT5
so to say it is crap / useless / poor quality etc is just a load of bs and i think the only problem is the user and there lack of ability. Logitech have always released great value/quality wheels and the G25 is no exception.

ps the G25 and G27 are mechanically the same aside from 4 extra buttons, no H pattern, rev lights, helical cut drive gear for quieter operation and a slightly different peddle offset. Other than that they are the same.
 
3,5 years old G25 here and still going strong. 👍 No mods or anything just loads of driving. Perfectly good enough wheel.
 
I have a simple question for everyone: When you plug in the g25 and start up your ps3 system, what is exactly the calibration process?

For me the wheel turns all the way to the right , then all the way to the left, then goes back to center, and then it starts shaking like a madman, and it wont stop shaking unless I grab it hard. Is it the same to you?

please watch my video to better understand:
 
Hi,
I never start the PS3 with the G25 in;
💡 I only plug the usb cable of the G25 after GT5 is started and so the calibration process is fine ;)
(I have only some shake with the X2010 :crazy:

Have you try to unplug the usb and replug it ?
 
iKenny
I have a simple question for everyone: When you plug in the g25 and start up your ps3 system, what is exactly the calibration process?

For me the wheel turns all the way to the right , then all the way to the left, then goes back to center, and then it starts shaking like a madman, and it wont stop shaking unless I grab it hard. Is it the same to you?

please watch my video to better understand:
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This means in GT5 the ffb deadzone is very small (exact opposite of what the OP claimed) and the motor quickly is turning full power very close toward the center.
FFB wheel send the game the wheel position then the software sends back the ffb data. If the software (gt5) tells the wheel to turn full force too close to the center the wheel will overshoot the center which by then the software tells it to turn full force in the opposite direction which again will overshoot the center.
 
My G27 is smooth as silk, and extremely quiet. The only car that gives me issues is the X-1 on straights.
 
I've tried both a G25 and the G27 I own with GT5.

1. There is no deadzone, none at all. in either wheel.
2. Brakes are slightly too sensitive, and work with even the tiniest ammount of pressure, this is a GT5 thing, not the wheel, a small problem, don't lean your foot on the brake pedal when your not using it (in GT5), use socks, practice.
3. Pedal distance - Use socks, practice, I find the distance perfect for doing heel toe, using socks.
4. If you want a more real feeling toy, then you will need to spend more money, a popular brake pedal upgrade can set you back as much as you paid for the wheel, the best equipment costs a lot of money, and even the best stuff is flawed as the software/game is never perfect.
5. X1 can be a bit of a shaky handful if the FFB isnt down low, but is the only car i've ever had to wrestle my wheel with.

I find using my G27 to be extremely natural, I have issues with getting the brake pressure right, but otherwise I find it very easy to use. For what its worth the G25 and G27 actually feel very different to use, I wasnt able to just use the G25 as if it was my own wheel (had to adjust slightly), so even though it is very similar, it doesnt feel so close, in use.
 
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iKenny
I have a simple question for everyone: When you plug in the g25 and start up your ps3 system, what is exactly the calibration process?

For me the wheel turns all the way to the right , then all the way to the left, then goes back to center, and then it starts shaking like a madman, and it wont stop shaking unless I grab it hard. Is it the same to you?

please watch my video to better understand:
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My wheel has never done that. What FFB are you using? The wheel could be malfunctioning or it could be a setting of yours. Try changing the settings and such before blaming the wheel.👍
 

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