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Really i cant believe there are people this stupid. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0463985/board/nest/48607354?d=52429508#52429508
Can't view it, and I'm not about to create an account with IMDB just see it.
Why a Mustang?
by - MasterCheif4001 (Tue Jul 18 2006 22:37:05 )
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Jeez if they were going to have any classic car IN JAPAN have the 240Z. One of the best cars of its time and still is for tuning. It would pwn a mustang in a mountain trail or course with some tuning.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - happy_apostate (Wed Jul 19 2006 09:00:58 )
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Gawd.....because of the symbolism. Some people.......
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Re: Why a Mustang?
by - bltdsmith (Wed Jul 19 2006 11:35:03 )
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UPDATED Wed Jul 19 2006 11:35:21
Because the Mustang is sex. And well, the symbolism thing. The 240Z is nice but now I just bought two 280ZX's for 2 hundred dollars, and I <3 them.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - Kottandogi (Wed Jul 19 2006 16:12:09 )
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I thought the Mustang was cool BUT if they didn't do that retarded engine swap from that awsome ford V-8 to a tiny nissian engine, i was so disapointed!. That is taking away its dignity!.
Thats like droping in a a 2JZ engine in a Viper to replace that V-10 engine.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - happy_apostate (Wed Jul 19 2006 18:02:03 )
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Hey kid, the RB26DETT is capable of around 600hp-650hp on STOCK internals. 1000HP RB26DET Skyline GTRs roll the Tokyo Wangan nearly every weekend on the year. Get a fcking clue before talking stupid trying to look cool.
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Re: Why a Mustang?
by - Kottandogi (Fri Jul 21 2006 07:18:14 )
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I don't care if the RB26DETT makes 100hp or 1000hp, its not a V-8! and it will never sound as great as one either.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - happy_apostate (Fri Jul 21 2006 07:36:14 )
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UPDATED Fri Jul 21 2006 07:37:16
You've never heard one little boy so you don't know sheet about them. Just another ignorant American kid desperately trying to look cool.
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Re: Why a Mustang?
by - MrFuriousss (Fri Jul 21 2006 08:35:11 )
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Lol @ its not a V-8!
Kid, you remind of the nerd in my university.
Once I asked that kid if he knew what a V-8 was, and he answered: "A black car" (LMAO).
Yes, muscle cars can sometimes reach 1000+ Bhp, but they're just not balanced and thats why a Japanese car with a so called "tiny engine" with only about 500Bhp can easily beat them.
Its just something that you muscle car lovers have to understand.
I also understand that Japan wasn't very good at building cars in the '60s, so American cars were used for racing; but now, if you don't live in the past, you just have to accept that Japan can make cars that can beat american cars with well over 1000Bhp.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - bltdsmith (Fri Jul 21 2006 10:45:01 )
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But in my mind, you can't beat the beauty of muscle cars. I love Skylines, EVOs, Supras, Silvias (<3), Cappuccinos and the like but to me, muscle cars hit you differently, when corners didn't exist because they didn't need to to have a great race. Yes they suck now, yes the americans produce bad cars now, but I would still love to see a reinvigorated muscle car take a road course and handle it well.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - deko_c (Fri Jul 21 2006 11:40:46 )
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theres a good reason why the dont use american muscle in drifts, anyone no?
well here gose... because the whole point of drifting is to turn corners!!! now american cars have stiring wheels but they dont work so they cant drift.
i thought this film could have been realistic if they had profs driving the cars but the whole mustang thing messed up the film again, done it in all 3 of the films now
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - bltdsmith (Fri Jul 21 2006 12:52:39 )
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No, our steering wheels work, they just have about 3 inches of travel before locking.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - sizerp (Mon Jul 31 2006 09:56:36 )
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of course an american serviceman living in japan would have a dime a dozen rice rocket he wants something that reminds him of home (USA)i personally would have used a 'vette where do you think some of the 60's japanese cars got thier shapes from
I May Be Wrong But I Doubt It
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - steeda05 6 days ago (Wed Aug 23 2006 18:53:47 )
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lmao at 8 bangers not being balanced. That must be why top fuel cars, and all pro mod cars use them. And last time I checked relatvly all 4 bangers need some help to get to high power levels, without some sort of forced induction... you got nothing. And last time I checked, 1000 horsepower supras make power at about 5500 rpms and run 12s in the quarter. A 300 hp 5.0 or somting of that sort would preform as well if not better because all of that power is generated without lag time. I have never had an import owner (other than the AWD guys, who i give props) run me from a dig, and those that do get destroyed. Im not one to say "DOMESTICS OWN, IMPORTS SUCK!!!1!" but I have yet to be beaten by one (one came close and that was an rx7 with an ls1 swap).
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - happy_apostate 6 days ago (Wed Aug 23 2006 20:12:33 )
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Junior Johnson loves turbos/superchargers so STFU inbred.
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Re: Why a Mustang?
by - Kottandogi 6 days ago (Wed Aug 23 2006 22:57:40 )
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UPDATED Sat Aug 26 2006 17:11:20
Mr Furioussss
Just to let you know Im not into Muscle cars, my passion is with the Supercars but I would still take the sound of a small block 350hp CorvetteV-8 over a 1000Supra engine sound anyday of the week. Plus a most muscle cars hold more value than any import, I see people driving them for pure pleasure like a ferrari owner would to his car as with an Import its to only go racing and thats it,
I rarely see a guy and his wife driving around in there modified Skyline or 350Z on a nice sunny afternoon.
Oh yeah and there's no way a 500hp fourbanger will come close to a 1000hp, maybe after a few car lengths its possible for the 500hp fourbanger could win.
Otherwise a 1000RWhp Supra or Skyline vrs a 1000RWHP Viper from a standstill and the Supra or Skyline would be toast. Thats why you only see Supras and Skylines dominate a race from a roll usally on racing gas and drag radials,Nitious and normally they get the jump first. Besides most of those 1000HP Skylines and Supras are pure Dyno queens.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - happy_apostate 5 days ago (Thu Aug 24 2006 19:36:01 )
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More idiot talk by idiots who don't know squat. Power-to-weight ratio. Damn, Americans are total stumpfcks.
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Re: Why a Mustang?
by - steeda05 1 day ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 15:12:33 )
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I agree that power to weight is a large part of it all, but at the strip thats not what its all about. It doesnt matter if you have a thousand horsepower on tap if you have to wait until 5000 RPMs, like all imports (I have yet to see a fast naturally aspirated import).
While the supra is waiting for boost to kick in, the camaro with half the horsepower is already close to the trap and weights more. Power to weight isnt everything my friend, but a combination of p/w and how quickly and effectivly that power gets the the blacktop.
Check yourself for bruises before you go around swinging the idiot stick
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - MrBoxx 1 day ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 19:21:39 )
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"It doesnt matter if you have a thousand horsepower on tap if you have to wait until 5000 RPMs, like all imports (I have yet to see a fast naturally aspirated import).While the supra is waiting for boost to kick in, the camaro with half the horsepower is already close to the trap and weights more."
Not all imports are Hondas and Acuras waiting for VTEC to kick in. Any GOOD import racer with a turbo engine will be using a stutterbox setup to create boost at the starting line, combined with a No-Lift-To-Shift feature to keep the boost pressure up. Add decent cams to the mix and you have useable power throughout the entire rpm band.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - happy_apostate 1 day ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 20:31:39 )
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Welcome back MrBoxx! However, as you can see the stupidity here has continued.
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Re: Why a Mustang?
by - chad427 (Thu Jul 20 2006 02:31:52 )
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Wasn't the engine they put in the mustang an SR20? Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the car that they stole the engine from the Silvia that Sean wrecked in the beginning of the movie?
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - bltdsmith (Thu Jul 20 2006 15:32:44 )
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UPDATED Thu Jul 20 2006 15:39:53
No it was an RB26, a stock S15 does have an SR20 (some of them) a very common engine swap is an RB26. And since he wrecked the S15 and had no car for the engine other than the 'Stang he had to go for it.
I think a better candidate for an ol' muscle car drifter (especially in Japan) would be a 1976 Toyota Celica: http://www.celica-t16-hobby.de/ta282.jpg
http://www.boostcruising.com/members/showimage.php?dbpic=8037
http://www.boostcruising.com/members/showimage.php?dbpic=8034
http://www.boostcruising.com/members/showimage.php?dbpic=5436
Damn that car's pretty.
I like the mustang better, but this is damn close second, and its a Toyota, pull up to a muscle car with this thing and say its a Toyota lol.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - sick_as_coldie (Thu Jul 20 2006 18:43:35 )
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Lets be open minded people.
The first 2.6L RB26DETT featured twin turbochargers and produced 280PS (206kW) @ 6800 rpm and 260ft/lb (353Nm) @ 4400 rpm. The last series of the RB26DETT produced 280PS (206kW) @ 6800 rpm and 289ft/lb (392Nm) @ 4400 rpm. However, several stock and unmodified engines have been dyno tested and reported to obtain nearer the 320hp mark. It is widely renowned for its strength and extreme power potential, as some examples have been known to produce over 1000hp (735kW) with relatively minor modifications. It is not uncommon for 600hp to be achieved without any alterations being made to the internal engine components, and the engine block can supposedly hold horsepower values approaching 1360hp (1000kw).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_RB_engine#RB26DETT
Hmmm also if u dont find that convincing (since its wikipedia) go look around the net. You will find the same kind of info. If your talking about a straight vs a big old V8 block, believe me a R-34 skyline would without doubt on a straight, built for drag would own most if not all stangs. I love 'muscle' and many different cars, but its reality. Skylines are legendary for their torque and ability to reach very high HP output. For anyone to ditch the rb26 engine is really ignorant. How many times now have i heard MUSCLE RULEZ...Get that peice of *beep* ricer, tiny Japanese engine, zip zip, out of the stang. Look at the reality of it. Rb26=beast
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - ferrarif1360 (Mon Jul 31 2006 19:40:23 )
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I agree, I think it would have been cool for them to use an old 240Z or an old Skyline, Supra, Corolla instead of the Mustang with an RB26DET heart transplant
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - PT996 4 days ago (Fri Aug 25 2006 16:21:42 )
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you know why they make such japanese cars and their engines ( like RB26DETT)to be tuned at 1000 plus bhp?? cause their cheap... if theyd do the same treatment to a W16, yes 16 cylinders, Bugatti Veyron engine worth well over 500,000 dollars (engine only) then you would see horse power well over 1600 and a noise uncomparable to a 3.2 6 cylinder engine or a HEMI... by the way the W16 has 3000 horsepower only with 4 turbos, 1000 which only go to the wheels the rest go to cooling and air intake.. so please dont compare plastiky japanese cars (no matter how much fun they are) to muscle cars and european super cars.. they are not in the same category.. japanese are just like zeebras pumped up by steroids and on the other hand ferraris and porsches are thourough-bread stallions..
there you go shut up n keep shut..
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - Kottandogi 4 days ago (Fri Aug 25 2006 21:30:40 )
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^^^
Hold on here first off a W16 doesn't have 3000hpwith with "with just" four turbos. The Veyron has a baseline of around 1001hp or 980hp depending on the boost and the location of the car. The higher the alititude the more hp you lose.
The reason why japanese cars are tunned 1000+hp is because people pay for it, its like the old saying goes "Speed cost money, how fast would you like it to go" the bottom line is you can make any car go as fast as you like it. Its just the tab at Harrys is gonna burn a hole in your wallet.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - MasterCheif4001 2 days ago (Sun Aug 27 2006 18:33:35 )
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UPDATED Sun Aug 27 2006 21:10:10
And how many average everyday people can afford a half a million dollar car/engine? Thats right moron. Come back when you find someone who can even buy the transmission for a Veyron. Until then dont troll around and make a fool out of yourself.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - PT996 2 days ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 07:13:32 )
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ill rephrase what i said before in simple terms so you can understand.. i hear people saying ooh and ahh about the cheap japanese tuned cars and saying theyre better than the european supercars cause they can get 1000 plus bhp blah blah... but thats when theyve been tuned, theyre not natural aspirated engines or with turbo chargers only.. the fact that ferraris, lambos etc etc are so expensive mean that nobody will go around making the same modifications that they make on a skyline engine on theyre 6.0 V12's because one may end up trashing the engine and a replacement will be very expensive.. its nonsense... but if they would tune theyre V12's than you would see more than 1600 bhp... its logical... Skyline V6 + tune = +/- 1600 bhp... therefore Lambo V12(2x skyline V6) + tune = more than 1600 bhp.. lets not think about what would happen to a W16 + tuning... stfu loser..
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - MasterCheif4001 2 days ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 10:52:19 )
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UPDATED Mon Aug 28 2006 14:10:46
Who cares? The reason they are so expensive has more to do with their full carbon fiber bodies then it has to do with their engines. Oh yeah did you also know that Lambos arnt reliable? http://www.lambounfall.de/indexe.html and dont call the GTR a "skyline" its a GTR not a skyline you moron. Skylines are luxury cars while the GTR is the supercar most Americans wish they had. Also how in the **** are you comparing cars from 2 different classes? Its like comparing apples to oranges. You cant compare a performance sports car with a super car. Its nonsense your a moron if you do.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - PT996 1 day ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 17:39:23 )
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exactly my point! read all comments carefully before opining.. my first comment said this:
" so please dont compare plastiky japanese cars (no matter how much fun they are) to muscle cars and european super cars.. they are not in the same category.. japanese are just like zeebras pumped up by steroids and on the other hand ferraris and porsches are thourough-bread stallions.."
p.s.. about the Nissan Skyline GTR.. i didnt quite get what your point was but maybe you should read this.. we'll see who the morron is.. -->
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline_GT-R
and if this is not good enough then: -->
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=Nissan+Skyline+GTR
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - MasterCheif4001 1 day ago (Mon Aug 28 2006 18:16:08 )
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"p.s.. about the Nissan Skyline GTR.. i didnt quite get what your point was but maybe you should read this.. we'll see who the morron is.. --> "
When you call someone a moron at least learn how to spell the word you idiot. Your a tool if your going to compare a supercar with sports car. Hell why not compare a Rolls Royce or Bentley to a Ford? Same logic, unless you and a bunch of people can afford a quarter million dollar car dont compare them tool.
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - PT996 1 day ago (Tue Aug 29 2006 09:32:24 )
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hahahahahahah you are really dumb huh... and you still didnt answer the question.. am i right or am i right that it is NISSAN SKYLINE GTR... your just wrong and you dont want to admit it... what a loser.. i guess you didnt read the other comment completely either.. so if you dont know, how can you post a good comment, huh, boy? well, one just has to read your nick to know what to expect and its just dumb and childish.. dont start talking bout mine.. youve been owned.. lets not make it worse..
by the way i dont care how i spell in this *beep* i write this quickly.. spend less time as possible with this dumb comment.. i dont put capitals either do i? at least you understand what i say.. which is what i want.. peace
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - PT996 3 days ago (Sun Aug 27 2006 13:35:04 )
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read n learn... The Bugatti EB Veyron 16.4 at 253 mph (407 kph)the fuel being consumed has the potential energy of 3,000bhp, almost 1000bhp to push the car along, 1,000 thrown out of the back as exhaust heat and another 1,000 dissipated by the three separate cooling systems with six separate radiators... dont diss this fact cause you dont get it... peace
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - thiagobs82 12 hours ago (Wed Aug 30 2006 01:27:47 )
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I gotta agree with PT996... his point was exactly "DON'T compare different car classes"...
But now, doing some VERY unfair comparison, folks..
how come it's "relatively easy" (expensive tho') to make a japanese engine to reach 1000hp and beyond and VW/Bugatti found it extremely hard to make the same 1000hp (1001hp to be pedantic) in their engine?
simple.. reliability.. when you modify your 400hp engine to reach 1000hp, you're throwing away it's expected time to live.. your engine will last for, what? 1 or 2 years before it wears out.. The 1001hp veyron engine is supposed to last for 20 years before it starts to wear down.. that's the difficulty.. now, if you're a sheik and your bank account is a country's GDP and you have some time to spare, you may be able to tune your veyron's W16 engine up to 3000hp "easily"...
now.. american v8 sounds best, japanese v6/4L are better balanced and german engines will be the only thing left when our sun burns down and human race is long forgotten...
Re: Why a Mustang?
by - PT996 7 hours ago (Wed Aug 30 2006 07:01:33 )
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exactly..
Or a lancer EVO good point. But i'd have to say that other guy is the bigger moron.
Yeah. If we used that measure, Toyota F1 cars would "cost" $100 million each
