SONY rules out PS3 price cut!!

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I agree bevo, they pretty much made a Mercedes(more luxury than you need) when they should have made a Toyota(everything you need and not much more). I don't really know what they could do to cut the price, but like you said, if they want to stay relevant they need to do something.

Also, I don't see EA making a console anytime soon since the profit margin is greater with just games. That and they would only be making games for one system so they would loose their exclusive licenses.
 
The 45Nm chips which FoolKiller used in his quote before too would be a way to save more money in production costs, but will this have any detrimental effect to the performance of the PS3 and therefore would game performance suffer as a result??
It is smaller and has less energy consumption. There is no performance difference. Even if there were, PCs and possibly the 360 (it is already down to a 65Nm chip) will be using them as well.

I am not quite sure where your fears are coming from.

The xbox and wii are so much cheaper that the ps3 can hardly compete. If Apple and or EA come out with a console next time the ps3 needs a larger fan base to stay afloat. I know several PS2 guys who went with the 360 in the last year because of the price difference. It will be very unlikely for them to get a PS4 the next time consoles come out. The high price of the PS3 has almost killed it this time.
You are aware that the PS3 has sold at a similar rate as the 360 over their lifetime from launch and the main difference in total sales numbers has to do with the one year lead, correct?

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The Wii is a complete freak occurrence, and honestly, no one can compete. I'm glad too, because my Wii is gaining dust.
 
The 45Nm chips which FoolKiller used in his quote before too would be a way to save more money in production costs, but will this have any detrimental effect to the performance of the PS3 and therefore would game performance suffer as a result??

These two things are what make me a bit sketchy about what to expect with the PS3. The way things are going, it's almost turning into a PS2.75. :ouch:

It is smaller and has less energy consumption. There is no performance difference. Even if there were, PCs and possibly the 360 (it is already down to a 65Nm chip) will be using them as well.

I am not quite sure where your fears are coming from.

I'm not sure either. 45Nm doesn't mean it's worse. The most powerful consumer CPUs use 45Nm and the trend has been to go smaller. ATI's latest graphics card was created using 40Nm.
 
You are aware that the PS3 has sold at a similar rate as the 360 over their lifetime from launch and the main difference in total sales numbers has to do with the one year lead, correct?

Quite a few people have less money now so Sony really should drop the price or they very well could start losing ground. If you are looking for a flat out gaming system spending $400 on a PS3 doesn't make much sense when the 360 is $300. That's two games right there. Or for the same price you can get a 120GB Elite 360 with Halo 3 and Fable II for $400. With more and more games being multi-platform it makes more sense just to go with the cheaper system if you are only into gaming.

If Sony could drop the price of their system, I think you'd really see there sales rise. If they don't though, I think you might be seeing them slipping around xmas time.
 
What exactly is that meant to show? There's no label on the x axis. I only know it's meant to be a length of time as the 360 line is longer!

It's sales in millions (Y axis) by months on sale (X axis), the X axis is so clutered it is very hard to read.
 
What exactly is that meant to show? There's no label on the x axis. I only know it's meant to be a length of time as the 360 line is longer!
The X-axis is months. The chart is showing number of sales per system over time since their launch. You can get an estimate for when December/Christmas is on the X-axis based on the spikes in the sales numbers. I find it telling that in non-holiday spending the PS3 sells at the same rate as the 360, but when someone else is buying (as a gift) the cheaper system sells faster.

Quite a few people have less money now so Sony really should drop the price or they very well could start losing ground. If you are looking for a flat out gaming system spending $400 on a PS3 doesn't make much sense when the 360 is $300. That's two games right there. Or for the same price you can get a 120GB Elite 360 with Halo 3 and Fable II for $400. With more and more games being multi-platform it makes more sense just to go with the cheaper system if you are only into gaming.

If Sony could drop the price of their system, I think you'd really see there sales rise. If they don't though, I think you might be seeing them slipping around xmas time.
The problem with your logic is that Sony also has less money. They are just now possibly seeing profits from the console, and cannot really afford to lower the price until the parts and manufacturing become even cheaper. That is why many, including myself, believe that we will see a price drop when the 45nm chips come out.

And yes, while you can get the 360 cheaper there are features of the PS3 that some (not all) need that will cost even more on the 360, like Wi-Fi. The 360 requires a $100 adapter to use Wi-Fi. The fact that my Internet modem and router are a good 50 feet and a wall away from my TV is the main reason why I haven't bought a 360 yet. I can either spend money on an adapter, making it as expensive as a PS3, or drill holes and run unsightly cables. My only other option would be to put the 360 in the bedroom, where I don't have an HDTV.

Take someone like myself who realizes that just in order to have similar gaming capabilities will require an equal cost in the end, and then I look at things like the Blu-Ray player, the Internet Browser, and various other multimedia capabilities (My PS3 is filling with DivX files, complete with surround sound, so I can leave my DVDs on the shelf) and even if I was just looking at gaming the PS3 is a better deal, as it has value added for a similar price.



Now, all of that said, the PS3 is approaching its third anniversary. It is already bucking trends by having a launch similar to the success of the PS2, and maintaining similar sales to their cheaper, most equivalent competition.

But sales of game consoles have always seen 80% of their sales after they get under $200 (Wii may be an exception, only time can tell). If the 360 can drop the price of a console with a hard drive included (The Arcade has not sold as well as the HDD models) below $200 before the PS3 can get under $300 I do believe they will suffer greatly.


Now this is the part where I go into 100% speculation mode:

I think that time will be by Christmas. Microsoft knows that one more price cut could be a huge blow. I honestly believe that the way Sony is tying GT PSP to the PSP Go will be reflected with either a Slim PS3 or just a cheaper SKU PS3 model tied to GT5. However, I cannot imagine more than a $50 price drop, unless Sony is hiding just how much money a 45nm chipset will save them.


Overall, I do believe that Sony will need to have a price cut soon, but it does not need to be right now. The only thing that may save Sony if it isn't large enough is the wording regarding Natal on the 360 recently that has referred to it as a new console (a comment taken back after it was said). If the 360 keeps the price the same but includes motion control then Sony may have more time to get a PS3 price drop out. Assuming Sony doesn't do the same thing with their motion control, that is.


I was never trying to say that Sony is fine without ever lowering the price. I was merely pointing out that attempting to compares sales numbers to the 360 as evidence was incorrect. The PS3 has sold at a similar rate despite being more expensive. The only way it could have ever caught up in total sales was to have sold a years worth of extra consoles, and the only way they could have done that was to have a dirt cheap price and a system that pandered to old people and housewives.
 
The problem with your logic is that Sony also has less money. They are just now possibly seeing profits from the console, and cannot really afford to lower the price until the parts and manufacturing become even cheaper. That is why many, including myself, believe that we will see a price drop when the 45nm chips come out.

And yes, while you can get the 360 cheaper there are features of the PS3 that some (not all) need that will cost even more on the 360, like Wi-Fi. The 360 requires a $100 adapter to use Wi-Fi. The fact that my Internet modem and router are a good 50 feet and a wall away from my TV is the main reason why I haven't bought a 360 yet. I can either spend money on an adapter, making it as expensive as a PS3, or drill holes and run unsightly cables. My only other option would be to put the 360 in the bedroom, where I don't have an HDTV.

Take someone like myself who realizes that just in order to have similar gaming capabilities will require an equal cost in the end, and then I look at things like the Blu-Ray player, the Internet Browser, and various other multimedia capabilities (My PS3 is filling with DivX files, complete with surround sound, so I can leave my DVDs on the shelf) and even if I was just looking at gaming the PS3 is a better deal, as it has value added for a similar price.

I'm not talking about any other features than just gaming. If you want to next generation game the fact is the 360 is cheaper than the PS3. Although I still think if I didn't have either I would just put the $400 into my PC. Actually thinking back on it, for the amount of money I've had to spend on the PS3, I probably should have just bought an SLI setup and a Blu-Ray reader since my PS3 hasn't really been turned on in several weeks.

I think most people who buy a console just want to game and aren't really into things like a Blu-Ray player, internet browser, etc. I can see where you are going with the non-WiFi on the 360, but it's not necessary to have internet gaming. I just ran an Ethernet cable along the base board of my room and hooked it into the back of the 360. I do the same thing when I go online with the PS3 because otherwise the signal randomly drops in the middle of a game...which is annoying.

I still think that if Sony wants to keep gaining ground on the 360 or at least keeping up with it sales then they need to offer something else. What that something else is can be anything from a price drop to adding in a couple of games with the PS3 for free like the Elite does.
 
I'm not talking about any other features than just gaming. If you want to next generation game the fact is the 360 is cheaper than the PS3. Although I still think if I didn't have either I would just put the $400 into my PC. Actually thinking back on it, for the amount of money I've had to spend on the PS3, I probably should have just bought an SLI setup and a Blu-Ray reader since my PS3 hasn't really been turned on in several weeks.
Yes, if all you want to do is sit at home alone and play current-gen games then the 360 is the cheaper option, which is why I used the term value-added. Saying value-added is not important is like saying no one should by a smart phone when you can get a plain featureless cell phone for free.

Value-added plays a role to a degree, and for some of us, that is why we bought our PS3s.

I can see where you are going with the non-WiFi on the 360, but it's not necessary to have internet gaming.
Would you call that "next-gen" gaming then? With the patch happy attitude game developers have taken lately, or the fact that split-screen multiplayer is a lost art, I believe that it is very important to gaming this generation. Nevermind the additional fact that certain games for all three systems now can only be bought online.

I just ran an Ethernet cable along the base board of my room and hooked it into the back of the 360. I do the same thing when I go online with the PS3 because otherwise the signal randomly drops in the middle of a game...which is annoying.
I notice you are not faced with drilling holes in walls, like I am. I could do the same as you, but the room with the Internet connection does not have an HDTV, which would mean I never even consider a multiplatform title for it.

I still think that if Sony wants to keep gaining ground on the 360 or at least keeping up with it sales then they need to offer something else.
I believe I made it clear that I agree with this.

What that something else is can be anything from a price drop to adding in a couple of games with the PS3 for free like the Elite does.
Like this?
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Two games: Uncharted and Pain. Granted, Pain is so hit or miss with people, and cheap, it isn't a great deal. They should throw in Burnout instead. But the PS3 has had games thrown in all along from Motorstorm to MGS4 to Uncharted. And recently Best Buy was throwing in Killzone 2 with this bundle.
 
I think most people who buy a console just want to game and aren't really into things like a Blu-Ray player, internet browser, etc. I can see where you are going with the non-WiFi on the 360, but it's not necessary to have internet gaming. I just ran an Ethernet cable along the base board of my room and hooked it into the back of the 360. I do the same thing when I go online with the PS3 because otherwise the signal randomly drops in the middle of a game...which is annoying.
That's one thing they could do to cut the price a little, get rid of the WiFi. No one I personally know actually uses it because it drops the signal so often. That could knock of some of the price for them. I actually get about 5mb faster download times when I use an ethernet cord with it anyway, that's why I stopped going wireless with it in the first place.
For people who have to go wireless they could be like the 360 and sell a kit for it.
 
That's one thing they could do to cut the price a little, get rid of the WiFi. No one I personally know actually uses it because it drops the signal so often. That could knock of some of the price for them. I actually get about 5mb faster download times when I use an ethernet cord with it anyway, that's why I stopped going wireless with it in the first place.
For people who have to go wireless they could be like the 360 and sell a kit for it.
I can buy a Wi-Fi card from Newegg.com for $8.

Removing it would do almost nothing, and Microsoft charging people who need Wi-Fi $100 for their proprietary adapter is the biggest laugh I have ever seen.
 
That's one thing they could do to cut the price a little, get rid of the WiFi. No one I personally know actually uses it because it drops the signal so often. That could knock of some of the price for them. I actually get about 5mb faster download times when I use an ethernet cord with it anyway, that's why I stopped going wireless with it in the first place.
For people who have to go wireless they could be like the 360 and sell a kit for it.

I use the Wifi all the time. I think had to change DNS address and haven't had a problem with WiFi dropping since then. Personally I think Sony will drop the price in time for the Christmas season. It makes sense at least to me to do it then.
 
That's one thing they could do to cut the price a little, get rid of the WiFi.
No thank you. Sony has already gimped the system enough in their lust to break even. I'd rather they not strip it of even more of its core functionality to save $5 or so.
 
In the UK, you can get a PS3 with 2 or 3 games Free depending on where you go.

So, a PS3 = 293.61 in my shop. At the moment as an example, you get Infamous + Killzone 2 or Fight night 4 free. Completely FREE. All you pay is the console price. Am i the only one thinking this is cheap for what you get?
 
You're all lucky you haven't looked in to buying debug PS3s (not that you could new, probably could grab a 2nd hand one), 2nd hand 60GBs alone fetch about £1,000, new ones something in the region of £2,000+.
 
In the UK, you can get a PS3 with 2 or 3 games Free depending on where you go.

So, a PS3 = 293.61 in my shop. At the moment as an example, you get Infamous + Killzone 2 or Fight night 4 free. Completely FREE. All you pay is the console price. Am i the only one thinking this is cheap for what you get?

It's cheep if you actually want the games that come free with it.
 
I always love the term "completely free" when something is included in a bundle.
It's either that or say that you bought the console for minus the price of the games, which in his case would be under 200.

If it had been one of those bundles where you get two games and pay an extra $50 or whetever, then he would be incorrect, but the games came without an increase in cost.
 
It's either that or say that you bought the console for minus the price of the games, which in his case would be under 200.

If it had been one of those bundles where you get two games and pay an extra $50 or whetever, then he would be incorrect, but the games came without an increase in cost.

Exactly. The bundle price IS the price of the console. It's not a scam...

Plus, if you don't want the games that it comes with, in todays economic climate, most store managers would be more than happy to swap the titles for ones you want, in order to make the sale.

I don't see a problem here.
 
I wasn't saying it was a scam, but they wouldn't be giving the game away for free, they'd recover the costs of it some where.
 
I wasn't saying it was a scam, but they wouldn't be giving the game away for free, they'd recover the costs of it some where.

Like where?

The way it works, is suppliers cut our costs in order to promote/sell a product. Theres no recovery of lost money. I know this because i work for a large retailer and know how it works.

Bundles are a blessing.
 
Sony: PlayStation 3 manufacturing costs down 70%


By Jose Vilches, TechSpot.com
Published: July 31, 2009, 3:11 PM EST

During a recent investor conference call, Sony corporate CEO Nobuyuki Oneda revealed that the PlayStation 3 console is now roughly 70% cheaper to make than it was at launch. Although he wouldn’t give an exact figure, estimates put manufacturing costs at around $240 – down from around $800.

If accurate, it would mean Sony is making money on each new PS3 sold at the current going rate of $400 – probably even when factoring in costs associated with marketing, licensing and other fees. Earlier rumors also suggest that the company might be getting ready to finally drop the price of hardware and launch a slimmed-down version of its console in the fall. Whether they actually pull the trigger remains to be seen, but it seems like the smart move to boost sales after a dire quarter.
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Ha,so thats how they can sell two major Blockbusters with the the system. MGS4 and Killzone 2. Brilliant.
 
I can't see myself playing next-gen games without internet...
Most people here in Brazil plays offline. At least, i'm the only one that have a ps3 in my town who plays online, and i'm counting 7~8 PS3's on the town, may have more, but not that much... small town, everyone knows everyone. =]

Some mounths ago, my PC just broken, i put in a place to fix it but it take a loooong time... while a was without a PC, i was using my PS3 for web and msn on ebuddy. It was just so good have a PS3 with all these features. I wasn't missing my computer (instead of a keyboard adn play my favourite mmorpg game), i just forgot the computer and remenbered to take it back only 6 mounths after put it to fix ! 0.0
 
It doesnt have to be much to make me happy to be honest. 👍
 
I am so praying this is true. And what a difference a few weeks makes. When I initially put my article up, Sony's US CEO, Howard Stringer claimed that they were claiming they lose heaps of money on EVERY CONSOLE they made.

Then to see in G.T.Ace's article, not even 4 weeks later saying that they are days away from announcing a price cut, that manufacturing costs are down 70% and are therefore making $400 PER CONSOLE tells me one of two things:

1. Howard Stringer is a LIAR!! Yeah I said it, he's a LIAR!!! I lose money....BS!!
2. They could MORE than afford a HUGE price cut to make it more competitive to the X360/Wii.

Hopefully on the 18th, we can chalk up a victory for the cash-strapped PS3 lovers worldwide!! :D

COME ON SONY, DROP THE PRICE ALREADY!! :cool: Give the people what they want!! 👍
 
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