Spied! Saleen developing all-new sports car

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Aha. I see. there's Two automotive Mellings.
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/autoshows/newyork/2008/saleens5sraptorpreview.html

TROY, Michigan — Saleen, maker of countless Mustang-based hot rods and the S7 racecar, will unveil a midengine sports car concept at the 2008 New York Auto Show in March.

Unlike the roughly $700,000 S7, which was a purpose-built racecar that was occasionally licensed for the street, the S5S Raptor is a vision for the "premium performance market with segment-leading horsepower." In other words, this will be a sports car designed primarily for the street instead of the track. Saleen says power will come from a supercharged 5.0-liter engine that runs on E85 ethanol. We expect that the Raptor's motor will be based on the supercharged 5.0-liter Ford-based V8 that already powers the company's S302E Mustang-based car. In the S302E, the engine is rated at 620 horsepower. That should give it the necessary oomph to make it to the 200 mph top speed Saleen is estimating.

The body, which looks in the sketch provided here like a very muscular Lotus Exige, would be fitted to an aluminum space frame. Chief Technical Officer Chris Theodore has been earlier quoted as saying the company could be interested in producing a car in the $150,000 range, so we would expect that the Raptor, if it makes it to production, will be somewhere in that range. Incidentally, Theodore has some experience with $150,000 Ford-powered, midengine sports cars. He was a driving force behind the creation of the Ford GT while he was a vice president with the Dearborn, Michigan carmaker.

Will Saleen build it? The company claims that it will be gauging reaction to the concept from its dealers, the media and attendees at the New York auto show. Theodore says that the Raptor could make it to market within two to three years from the time it gets the green light.

What this means to you: The S7 never made much sense to us because we don't own a Le Mans race team, but an all-American Ferrari fighter? That's intriguing

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Looks a bit like McLaren's new project.
 
I'd say go for it!

There is a lot more money to be made at the $150K level than the $700K one, and if they can get this to operate at 8/10ths the speed of the S7, it will be a success.
 
I can see so many cars in that front end, Gallardo, R8, NSX, Evo X and GTR to name a few.
 
I am wondering if Phil Frank designs this.
 
I can see so many cars in that front end, Gallardo, R8, NSX, Evo X and GTR to name a few.

the two of those I see most have been emboldened, especially the latter. All it'd need would be pop-ups...

It is an interesting design, but I'm not huge on those headlights. Of course, details like that almost NEVER make it to production.
 
I'd be careful about jumping to any conclusions about the model. I've been in the Saleen facilities on several ocassions and this may not even be their shop. If it is there are many possibilities of who this project may be for. Time will tell. Saleen has been a Ford subcontractor since at least 2002. I was in the factoriy as S7 #0001 was being assembled and several of the Le Mans cars were across (20 feet) from that point. Later I saw some Focus projects that did not come to pass.

So don't get too excited about a S7 being parked next to a clay model. Besides it doesn't have enough slits scoops and vents to be considered for a Saleen.
UStealth
 
Only what you've said completley ignores this part of an article posted earlier...

"Will Saleen build it? The company claims that it will be gauging reaction to the concept from its dealers, the media and attendees at the New York auto show. Theodore says that the Raptor could make it to market within two to three years from the time it gets the green light."
 
And that matters because? Sure, its good to be proud of the home-team, but the Ultimate Aero is nothing more than backyard engineering with a bit of math behind it.

The Raptor here won't be anything more than a sub-S7, F430-killer. And personally speaking, thats the sweet spot Saleen should be going after anyway.
 
Right, but the car won't even compete with the Raptor. As a matter of fact, its a class above it in size and performance. The S7 will run out of steam at 225 MPH, and thats plenty fast. The S7 had a good run, and no matter what, it pretty much was America's supercar.
 
Exactley right, the Ultimate Aero has nothing to do with this car or topic of debate regardless of if it is good, bad, ugly or pretty. The Ultimate Aero is more at home in a debate about the CCX and it's rivals.
 
How dare someone put Saleen and Ultimate Aero in the same paragraph. :yuck:

Saleen = yummy
Ultimate Aero = yuck
 
If you can get an S7 up to 250mph, than i will shut up about the ultimate aero.
 
If you can get an S7 up to 250mph, than i will shut up about the ultimate aero.
Just go away.


Lets bring the Bugatti Veyron in here too.

And the CCX. Hey, they go 250 too, although it has nothing to do with this thread.

EDIT: And the ultimate aero does NOT hold the record for the fastest car that is street legal.
 
Proper gearing would allow the S7 to do that without much of a problem, in particular, the S7TT. Without question the S7 is the American supercar, I think the only one that can come close is the Mosler MT900S. But even then, thats more of a track-car than anything.

The Aero is what it is: A nice bit of backyard engineering that proved that we "backwoods" Americans can design (and build) the world's fastest sports car without $10 Billion in engineering behind it and two supercomputers strong enough to fight a war with China.
 
If you can get an S7 up to 250mph, than i will shut up about the ultimate aero.
Can the Aero produce enough downforce to drive upside down?

I don't think it can quite like the S7.
 
ok, good enough. It is way overpriced, dangerous, and just completely useless because when are you actually going to get to go 250mph anyway.
 
ok, good enough. It is way overpriced, dangerous, and just completely useless because when are you actually going to get to go 250mph anyway.
I hope you're referring to both the S7 and the SSC with that statement.
 
On that note:

Ford GT > Saleen S7

But that didn't last very long...
 
On that note:

Ford GT > Saleen S7

But that didn't last very long...

Erm, I love the Ford GT as much as the next Ford junkie but the S7 is the holy freaking grail. And the twin turbo model is just 100% sex on wheels.

And the last thing I'll say about the "Ultimate" Aero is I'd rather drive my old run down Camaro with a weak dog 305ci V8 with a whopping 175bhp and 255lb.ft of torque. The Aero is just trash. Speed in a straight line doesn't make a car cool. The Veyron and S7 can take corners fast--the Aero (and admittedly the CCX) cannot.
 
JCE
Erm, I love the Ford GT as much as the next Ford junkie but the S7 is the holy freaking grail. And the twin turbo model is just 100% sex on wheels.

And the last thing I'll say about the "Ultimate" Aero is I'd rather drive my old run down Camaro with a weak dog 305ci V8 with a whopping 175bhp and 255lb.ft of torque. The Aero is just trash. Speed in a straight line doesn't make a car cool. The Veyron and S7 can take corners fast--the Aero (and admittedly the CCX) cannot.
The Aero goes around a slalom faster than an Enzo....And well, the Top Gear Board speaks for itself. The CCX is number 2 on it, right behind the Ascari.
 
The Aero goes around a slalom faster than an Enzo....And well, the Top Gear Board speaks for itself. The CCX is number 2 on it, right behind the Ascari.

1. The Enzo sucks. The S7 could murder it in every possible way around a track.
2. The CCX is blindingly fast in a straight line--and the Top Gear test track favors high powered performers due to a high speed straight bias track layout.
 
1) The Enzo is awesome, how dare you! Sure, it may be ugly and far too expensive for what it can do (not much these days), but it is still a milestone car for the automotive world. And I, personally, like it.

2) The CCX is a bit of backyard engineering with some polish, and nothing else. Instead of seeing the wood glue on the doors like you would with the Aero, they take the time to clean it up. They're good cars, don't get me wrong, but I'd prefer something different.

3) As far as I'm concerned, the MC12 and the F40 will remain two of my most-favorite supercars. The S7 is beaten only by the Mosler when it comes to American models, and should I actually have the money to go out and buy something with similar performance... I'd have a hard time not considering the SLR 772 as the most-viable option.

But we all know I'd buy the Mosler just because it has a small-block.
 
JCE
1. The Enzo sucks. The S7 could murder it in every possible way around a track.
How on earth did you come to this conclusion? Neither car have been tested on the same track, and it's pretty much a good conclusion the Enzo would be faster.
2. The CCX is blindingly fast in a straight line--and the Top Gear test track favors high powered performers due to a high speed straight bias track layout.
The CCX is 1 second behind the Enzo at Bedford Autodrome West Circuit. It is not just fast in a straight line.
 
I'm so glad I don't like supercars. It's getting kinda hot in here.
 
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