Standard to premium - in our lifetime?

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According to an article posted here on GT Planet back in the end of 2010, Kazunori Yamauchi was said to reveal that at least some of the standard cars will be converted to premium. More than one and a half year later we have received only one actual conversion through the Jaguar XJR-9. I understand that it takes time to model these detailed premium cars but I still think that "some" cars out of 800 standards cars should be more than just a single car within this timeframe. One could hope that PD has decided to save many of these cars for the next game but PD would never tell if that was the case. At this rate the GT-R will be able to hover above ground (also in Gran Turismo) before we see the next convertion.

I'm not really complaining, I'm just wondering where such promises stand in the middle of the evolving hype about the next console generation and PS4. Besides this there also is another camp which requests more new cars and GT5 actually got some of these by suprise. What do you think? I'm personally hoping that they collect the converted cars for a +15 DLC car bundle but I don't see any reason to believe it will happen while GT Academy seems to steal all the spotlight every other month.

The article: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-5-standard-cars-to-be-upgraded-to-premium/
 
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At some point they've got to start on GT6, and changing lots of standard to premiums for GT5 may seem a bit of a waste of time when the games lifespan is limited. You might as well work on getting cars for GT6 rather than try and update a game that will be forgotten when a newer version is released.
 
They have probably been working on GT6 even well before GT5's release though you know.

But like the OP said I would love to see more standard to premium conversions
 
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*Conversion* is just a imaginative process in ordinary conversation.

No Standards will ever be *converted* to Premiums.

What we *might* get are new Premium vehicles similar to already existing Standard ones (as Jaguar was). In the same time, existing Standard models are visually enhanced by small touches woth every update and that is the most we can expect to get for free.

If we ever get a proper chasis on Standards in cockpit-view, as was in Prologue, it will be great. But *conversion* is not menat to happen at any point, at least no complimentary one.
 
amar212
No Standards will ever be *converted* to Premiums.

What we *might* get are new Premium vehicles similar to already existing Standard ones (as Jaguar was). In the same time, existing Standard models are visually enhanced by small touches woth every update and that is the most we can expect to get for free.
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That is basically what I mean, the actual process is not important. I couldn't help noticing that you write that standard cars have been improved through updates. Are there any comparison shots which confirm this?
 
Nielsen
That is basically what I mean, the actual process is not important. I couldn't help noticing that you write that standard cars have been improved through updates. Are there any comparison shots which confirm this?
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A few, but you'll have to search for them. Or, revert back to ver. 1.00.
 
Ive learned a while back not to put too much stock in what PD says lol. Over promise and under deliver is the name of their game. Don't ever expect a finished, polished GT5. Don't get your hopes up on any complex fixes for all the complex problems GT5 has. We should look at their pattern and learn. Or don't and continue to be repeatedly disappointed. It is what it is with PD. For instance, we were supposed to get wheels changes for all standards but we didnt. DLC every two months? Nope. On and on and on goes their repeated pattern. And you expect standards to premium because they said so?? And in your lifetime??:lol:

Maybe they will get their act together by GT6. Just accept GT5 for what it is.

Nielsen
That is basically what I mean, the actual process is not important. I couldn't help noticing that you write that standard cars have been improved through updates. Are there any comparison shots which confirm this?
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Yes some were improved. Im not sure if it was just textures or they tweaked the mesh as well or just lighting but some seemed to be improved. Off the top of my head the Furai was one improved. I believe the textures on both Group C Nissan R89C and R92CP were improved. I remember them being very bad when I first got the game. Thats all I can think of at the moment..
 
Unless your going to go the whole hog and fully re model them I see tweaking standards to be a waste. It's not as if there coming back, or are they?
 
Snakebitten
Ive learned a while back not to put too much stock in what PD says lol. Over promise and under deliver is the name of their game. Don't ever expect a finished, polished GT5. Don't get your hopes up on any complex fixes for all the complex problems GT5 has. We should look at their pattern and learn. Or don't and continue to be repeatedly disappointed. It is what it is with PD. For instance, we were supposed to get wheels changes for all standards but we didnt. DLC every two months? Nope. On and on and on goes their repeated pattern. And you expect standards to premium because they said so?? And in your lifetime??:lol:

Maybe they will get their act together by GT6. Just accept GT5 for what it is.
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They obviously don't aim to give us false expectations, they are just groping around with a bit of everything. If not in GT5, I hope GT6 will catch up with all this stuff. In fact, GT5 better be GT6 Prologue as I'll probably die from impatience if I have to witness all those post-release fixes once more.

Snakebitten
Yes some were improved. Im not sure if it was just textures or they tweaked the mesh as well or just lighting but some seemed to be improved. Off the top of my head the Furai was one improved. I believe the textures on both Group C Nissan R89C and R92CP were improved. I remember them being very bad when I first got the game. Thats all I can think of at the moment..
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I need to examine this but as Spagetti suggests, it seems like a waste of time in an age where premium becomes the standard :crazy:
 
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Nielsen
Standard to premium - in our lifetime?
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No.

They have no real reason to do this, especially since maybe 95% of GT5 players moved on quite some time ago. I, for example, bought the game on release in 2010 (actually had it in my hand at the register a day or more early but they wouldn't sell it to me) and spent the bulk of a year with it, but there's just no way that I'm going to pick it back up for some car conversions or a new track. These things are nice if I'm still playing, but once I've moved on then time is up.

It costs a crap-ton of time and consequently money to do this. Let's say we want them to replace 220 Standards with Premium models. This would take basically as much time, manpower, and money as creating the 220+ Premiums that retailed with the game in 2010. "But they already have models to build from." Yes, and they would be scrapped and rebuilt from the ground up. Maybe it wouldn't be entirely, but they would still end up doing basically the same amount of work on them because the difference is in the details and all the details would need modeled, as well as the entire interiors, and all textures would need replaced with new texture maps, just as with a new model.

If they're going to invest this much time and money, they're going to want money for it, or else they're just hemorrhaging massive quantities of money. These are resources that could be going into GT6,for which they would get money, and more of it, at $60 MSRP per copy and for millions of players rather than just hundreds of thousands of players for a GT5 update.

Seriously, if PD would do this at this stage, they're even more daft than I've already credited them for being. This would just be monumentally stupid.
 
IceMan PJN
It costs a crap-ton of time and consequently money to do this. Let's say we want them to replace 220 Standards with Premium models
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Ok that's a big number you bring to the table. When Kazunori Yamauchi says "some" I'd expect 15-20 at most as a realistic number for GT5 DLC. If we go higher than that, I'd say save them for GT6. It's not like people wouldn't want some beloved classics in an updated form just because they already appear as standard cars. There are still enough players and new customers who would enjoy to have their favourite classic as a premium model.
 
I'd rather have GT6 be that much better because they weren't working on standards, so personally I hope the answer is "no".
 
Why is the assumption that working on GT5 takes away from GT6? If they modeled some standards to premium, it means the cars are ready for GT6, simple port over to the next game.

The way I see it, the Jaguar XJR-9 is now ready for GT6, thanks to having being modeled already, same with all the already in-game premiums.
 
urmie
Why is the assumption that working on GT5 takes away from GT6? If they modeled some standards to premium, it means the cars are ready for GT6, simple port over to the next game.

The way I see it, the Jaguar XJR-9 is now ready for GT6, thanks to having being modeled already, same with all the already in-game premiums.
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But that takes some"incentive" out of gt6.
 
CCXRacer
But that takes some"incentive" out of gt6.
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Yes, they obviously need to save something for GT6 in order to make it as appealing as possible. Therefore it would seem smart to offer a few classics, i.e. GT5 standard cars as premium cars through GT5 DLC while saving the most exciting 2010-20xx models for GT6. I think a Supra RZ '97 could sell as hot bread as part of a DLC package while the latest Ferrari or Viper would be the obvious selling point for the next game. As mentioned, GT5 DLC shouldn't harm GT6 development, Sony just have to pick the DLC that makes most sense. It's a balance.
 
I think the answer is no as well, but I do have decent hopes for GT6.

I would imagine the car list in GT6 will be smaller with many more being premium. I still cannot believe the E30 M3 is not in the game, amazing.
 
Personally, I'm happy with all my standard cars - they still drive the same, and I can't see what they look like in my hudless bumper view. Not that I wouldn't be happy for them to have a makeover.
If there was some way PD could make a standard to premium conversion ticket, I'd imagine dlc sales of those ($2.99 for 10?) would be quite considerable.
The answer the OP, I don't think PD consider converting standards to premium as a real customer priority.
 
I think it would be cool if PD took about 10 standard cars that are most commonly used by players and converted them. Like that BMW M3 that everyone uses on the Nurburgring online. And if there is one car that should have been premium, it's Formula Gran Turismo.
 
I'm glad if they could make windscreen wipers working for the standard cars at first, so I could drive those while having rain all over me, at the moment it's a pain to drive during a rain due to the missing wipers, that would be a start.

Whatever they do with the GT5 is not away from the GT6, I'm just very happy that PD has kept working with GT5 since release, really rare thing these days, especially on a console.

thumb up for that, PD.
 
Snakebitten
Over promise and under deliver is the name of their game.
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Back then when GT5P was released in EU, Kaz promised a huge autumn update which would give us a damage model. It never came, but we got 3 boring cars and years later when GT5 released a very basic damage model...
 
Something that just recently caught me way off guard was the premium cars rear view mirrors.

While racing on Madrid track with a Renault Vehicle they looked like they weren't optimized or maybe it's because I'm playing in 1080i.

It looked like something you'd see on N64 has anyone else seen that?
 
Do you mean the rear view mirrors themselves, or what they're showing behind you?

The rear view mirror, for game performance reasons, leaves out a lot of details. No dynamic shadows, no skid marks, and no tire smoke.
 
some premium updates for GT5 Cars would be nice but probably won't happen. But i think we won't see any standard cars in GT6 anymore. The only question is if it's possible to upgrade arround 800 cars to premium until GT6 releases. I personall have my doubts, though it would be absolutely great!
 
@ SlipZtrEm

I mean what they show behind you and I didn't know they did that for performance reasons.

Maybe that gets fixed in GT6 cause those were awful graphics especially when it's necessary to look behind you using those mirror's.


@ ZZ-ll

What I actually hope for is if they can give us say 300 more premiums while fixing some of the current premium models and leave only say 100-150 standards that in my opinion would be great for us.

The biggest thing GT had going for it was the 1000 cars and what not, but to only have anywhere from 150-250 of the cars premium doesn't help.
 
We understand that this is dream will not come true in GT5 concerning the time PD need to make one premium car and they don't want to outsource this part of work to any other studio. May be it would be better if they make premium cars without cockpit like FT86-II concept. I would like to see 100-200 premium cars without cockpit instead of 800 standards in GT5 for example.
 
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We understand that this is dream will not come true in GT5 concerning the time PD need to make one premium car and they don't want to outsource this part of work to any other studio. May be if they decided to make premium cars without cockpit like FT86-II concept. I would like to see 100 premium cars without cockpit instead of 800 standards in GT5 for example.
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I could live with that there are some standards I don't have much a problem with, but others really show just how bad they are. Some look to have been ported from GT3.
 
Standard to premium in our lifetime in GT5?

No way. It has taken 6 years and only 20% of the cars are fully premium. Actually not even that much if you count the cars that have full damage. Only a handful of premiums with full damage. So the completed premium list is actually smaller than 20%. They have improved the standards a little but we will never see all the cars converted to premium in GT5. No way.

My prediction is they will spend the next several years truly converting the standards to premium then release the game as GT6 on the next console. So expect GT6 in maybe another 4-5 years. Seriously. I wish they would learn that they need to outsource to properly finish their games. 20% complete is quite disappointing.
 
CAMAROBOY69
Standard to premium in our lifetime in GT5?

No way. It has taken 6 years and only 20% of the cars are fully premium.
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yes, but don't forget they had to do alots of other things. because the whole game was new. For GT6 they'll use GT5 as base, that's a difference.
 
Agreed GT5 is now the base just like how GT1 and GT3 were bases for GT2 and GT4.

Truthfully I think we'll be in for a big treat come GT6 or at least I hope so.
 

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