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[CodeRedR51]

Can someone point out the lens flares? I seem to be missing them even though I've watched it 5 times.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Can someone point out the lens flares? I seem to be missing them even though I've watched it 5 times.

It's as the Falcon banks, just before it takes on the indistinct blur that is another ship.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

So now what do we do for the next year until the film comes out?

 

[SlipZtrEm]

So now what do we do for the next year until the film comes out?

Judging by some reactions? Complain. Probably. There are enough other big name movies coming out in 2015 that I know I'll be busy.

I dunno, I'm reasonably excited about it; Abrams has stuck to the look of the original trilogy in a lot of ways, and this certainly feels more related to Episodes IV through VI than the prequels did, despite being the same length of time apart. That saber is ridiculous, though. Can we stop feeding into the idea that there has to be some permutation of them each new movie?

 

[Anomaly]

Loving the new Lightsaber...

 

[prisonermonkeys]

 

[FoolKiller]

The new lightsaber has me perplexed. Seems like a good way to hurt yourself or get hurt when getting pinned against a wall with just your lightsaber between his and your face. It even limits the use of certain forms of sword fighting.

The original design harkens back to Japanese sword designs. This is more European.

Darth Maul's twin blade lightsaber at least had a use and its own fighting style. I can't see how this is useful in any way.

 

[Robin]

I liked the trailer, it was instantly recognisable as an Abrams creation! surprised there wasn't lens flare everywhere! however there were a few things...

I'm slightly confused about the chronology here regarding how everything looks too similar to how it was in Episode 6. It's meant to be 30 years later yet looks like it's only 5 years later! The development of the technology we saw from Anakin going from a kid to a man was staggering, the ships, suits etc all were notably evolving over the first 3 films and had big design changes as the years went by.

It seems like fan service to put in recognisable X-Wing's, Tie Fighters etc with minimal design changes. It's like they were scared that if it didn't look enough like 'the film's people liked' that it would be shunned. Everything we see shouldn't really look THAT familiar, sure I would expect something which looks like an evolution of an X-Wing but not AN X-Wing!

Also it kinda felt to me more like a GCI video game teaser than a film teaser. Game trailers are getting so high production these days that it's hard to tell the difference (Arkham Knight Trailer) but it wasn't poignant or atmospheric like a movie teaser should be... it was an assault on your senses mashup of stuff like video game trailers.

For example the Star Trek XI teaser trailer, that's more what I would expect, it's evocative.



Regarding the lightsaber, did they literally sit in a room and think how can we make this one different AGAIN!? It feels forced to be different just for the sake of it but looks pretty cool. The style is supposed to resemble a European sword guard as @FoolKiller also stated and I agree if that bit cuts it's a sure way to chop your own wrist off!

Also noticed in the pilot shot the rebel emblems / helmet and looked oddly low budget, like it was made from cardboard with stickers. Hard to describe, just take a look.

And finally, the Stormtrooper helmets... Bertone called

 

[JKgo]

Can't wait. Not a fan of Abrams, but I'm stoked for this one. December 2015. Damn, that seems far away....

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The original design harkens back to Japanese sword designs. This is more European.

Darth Maul's twin blade lightsaber at least had a use and its own fighting style. I can't see how this is useful in any way.

My brother-in-law is a massive STAR WARS fan, and he reckons that it's going to be a two-handed broadsword. It's less about finesse and more about overwhelming your opponent as quickly as possible.

 

[Grand Prix]

The new lightsaber has me perplexed. Seems like a good way to hurt yourself or get hurt when getting pinned against a wall with just your lightsaber between his and your face. It even limits the use of certain forms of sword fighting.

The original design harkens back to Japanese sword designs. This is more European.

Darth Maul's twin blade lightsaber at least had a use and its own fighting style. I can't see how this is useful in any way.

I'm not seeing it either. The idea of the crossguard in European longsword fighting is to offer some protection for the hands, enable thrusting attacks, and, in examples like the Scottish Claymore (the real Claymore, not to be confused with the basket-hilt "Claymore" broadsword that Jack Churchill used against Germans in WW2, but anyway), can also be used to disarm your opponent.

You try thrusting with this against something that offers resistance and you're gonna lose fingers (okay, with a lightsabre that shouldn't be a problem most of the time, I suppose). If your opponent hits your crossguard with his blade you will probably lose fingers again. Unless your hands are welded to the grip. However, there does appear to be some solid material between the light crossguard and the grip, for your hands to brace against in a thrust, but it's probably not enough.

Ideally, there should be solid material all along the bottom of the light crossguard, to offer hand protection against both other lightsabres, and your own.

 

[Robin]

Maybe the guy has a hand which cannot be cut by a lightsaber.... something to think about.

 

[Wiegert]

Maybe the guy has a hand which cannot be cut by a lightsaber.... something to think about.

A prosthetic hand or Crushgaunt made from Mandalorian iron would offer that sort of protection, given its lightsaber-resistant properties.

The lightsaber body itself could also be made from a similarly resistant material, like Palpatine's Phrik alloy saber. A laser cross-guard could then be used as either an aesthetic addition or extra protection. But it probably wouldn't be of great use anyway if you're using special metals.

 

[Anomaly]

Maybe the guy has a hand which cannot be cut by a lightsaber.... something to think about.

Nothing to think about... IMHO, that's Luke Skywalker. In the leaked production art we've seen, the mouth area of the Sith looks incredibly like Mark Hamill. Besides, who else would know where to find Darth Vader's remains? Luke already looked like he was slipping a bit in Return of the Jedi, and he probably realized he had been used by the Jedi just as Anakin had.

Beyond that, those side blades (from what I've seen) can be turned on/off separately from the main blade.

 

[Imari]

My brother-in-law is a massive STAR WARS fan, and he reckons that it's going to be a two-handed broadsword. It's less about finesse and more about overwhelming your opponent as quickly as possible.

Which is probably what it's going to be.

Unfortunately, if it is like that it's a colossal oversight on the part of the writers. In real life two hands gives you extra power. For a Jedi, if they want strength then they'll get far more out of using the Force to aid their swing than they will out of a second hand.

If you're a Jedi, there's no real reason to be two handing a weapon. If they can chuck people and spaceships around with the Force, they can bloody well use it to put some oomph into their sword swings.

I have to say I really liked the original lightsabre designs much better. The simplicity gave them the look of something that had been iterated into a near perfect design.

 

[jimipitbull]

Nothing to think about... IMHO, that's Luke Skywalker. In the leaked production art we've seen, the mouth area of the Sith looks incredibly like Mark Hamill. Besides, who else would know where to find Darth Vader's remains? Luke already looked like he was slipping a bit in Return of the Jedi, and he probably realized he had been used by the Jedi just as Anakin had.

Beyond that, those side blades (from what I've seen) can be turned on/off separately from the main blade.

It's snowing in the trailer - it hasn't snowed on Endor since the coalition of Endor Season Gods thawed the Snow King's heart.

 

[Omnis]

The new lightsaber has me perplexed. Seems like a good way to hurt yourself or get hurt when getting pinned against a wall with just your lightsaber between his and your face. It even limits the use of certain forms of sword fighting.

The original design harkens back to Japanese sword designs. This is more European.

Darth Maul's twin blade lightsaber at least had a use and its own fighting style. I can't see how this is useful in any way.

When I first saw that, I burst into laughter since it brought me back to my early teens at theforce.net and all the star wars fan fiction.

 

[FoolKiller]

When I first saw that, I burst into laughter since it brought me back to my early teens at theforce.net and all the star wars fan fiction.

It definitely feels like they took an idea from fan fiction. Certain parts of the new Star Trek films do too.

 

[Grand Prix]

Which is probably what it's going to be.

Unfortunately, if it is like that it's a colossal oversight on the part of the writers. In real life two hands gives you extra power. For a Jedi, if they want strength then they'll get far more out of using the Force to aid their swing than they will out of a second hand.

If you're a Jedi, there's no real reason to be two handing a weapon. If they can chuck people and spaceships around with the Force, they can bloody well use it to put some oomph into their sword swings.

I have to say I really liked the original lightsabre designs much better. The simplicity gave them the look of something that had been iterated into a near perfect design.

Yeah, I doubt anyone would have cared much if they kept them the same.

There are lots of characters in the films that already did use two hands BTW. Only rare instances of strictly single handed use, Dooku in Episode 2 and Vader in Episode 5 come to mind.

A crossguard's main purpose is to prevent your hand from sliding onto the blade when you thrust it into armour/flesh. Lightsabres shouldn't need that as they have been shown to cut through almost anything with ease. Unless they are going to introduce some late medieval period style combat, with lightsabre resistant armour.

It's still useless, because unless the part between the actual guard and the grip is armoured, a blade is going to slide right down, cut off that metal bit in the middle and burn your fingers anyway. That's a problem with the normal lightsabre design come to think of it.... Hmm. Maybe they do need a crossguard, but they implemented it wrong! Make the laser parts flush and put metal underneath.

 

[CodeRedR51]

The only thing I can say about the new lightsabre is that we have a fairly good idea who is holding on to it, and my guess is that he has it for extra protection so that what happened to him before doesn't happen again. As someone said earlier, it could simply keep the "blade" of the enemy from sliding down and taking off your hand.

 

[Robin]

@Anomaly I know it says spoliers in the thread title but you could have just given a quick warning or used the spolier tags before going straight for it

I just wanted to see what people thought of the trailer, I try and avoid spoilers with all films, just ruins the point of seeing it IMO.

 

[Wiegert]

The horror...




EDIT: To anyone who checked last month's concept art leak, it's not the first time we saw the ball droid.

 

[Sanji Himura]

Fake, never mind.

 

[Wiegert]

International trailer up. Shows a lot more footage than the US version.

That poorly edited fake has been doing the rounds online for a week.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

The argument that the powered hilt would protect the wielder's hands from a blade sliding down towards them is negated by the beams not actually meeting at the handle: there's no reason to think a lightsaber wouldn't slide right through the hilt bases. And as so many have already mentioned in this thread alone, having the beams go right to the base would wreak havoc on the user if the blade was met with any resistance. It's pretty clear this design was picked for visual uniqueness, not for any real user benefits.

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And if we want to entertain the idea that this is Luke (even though the build doesn't seem quite right), and this design is based on his fear of having his hand taken off again, it probably shouldn't be pointed out that the design wouldn't have helped him back in Episode V anyways: Vader took it off in an upwards swing).

 

[Anomaly]

It's snowing in the trailer - it hasn't snowed on Endor since the coalition of Endor Season Gods thawed the Snow King's heart.

Who said that was Endor in the clip?

 

[Anomaly]

@Anomaly I know it says spoliers in the thread title but you could have just given a quick warning or used the spolier tags before going straight for it

I just wanted to see what people thought of the trailer, I try and avoid spoilers with all films, just ruins the point of seeing it IMO.

Sorry, but that wasn't a spoiler... Just my own theory. I did say IMHO. I've avoided spoilers myself and feel exactly the same way that you do regarding them ruining a film.

Besides, you're the one who brought up how the person holding it may have hand which cannot be cut by a lightsaber.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I put the spoiler tag in the title for a reason, but there are far less spoilers in here than say...facebook. I've purposely avoided posting things in here since they are easily accessible elsewhere.

 

[McLaren]

If you're a Jedi, there's no real reason to be two handing a weapon. If they can chuck people and spaceships around with the Force, they can bloody well use it to put some oomph into their sword swings.

So, why does Darte have a cross guard? It was a short lightsaber much like the 2 in the trailer used for close combat.

The argument that the powered hilt would protect the wielder's hands from a blade sliding down towards them is negated by the beams not actually meeting at the handle: there's no reason to think a lightsaber wouldn't slide right through the hilt bases. And as so many have already mentioned in this thread alone, having the beams go right to the base would wreak havoc on the user if the blade was met with any resistance. It's pretty clear this design was picked for visual uniqueness, not for any real user benefits.

What's to say this saber isn't made of phrik? Sidious' was made of phrik & could not be damaged by another lightsaber.

 

[Grand Prix]

What's to say this saber isn't made of phrik? Sidious' was made of phrik & could not be damaged by another lightsaber.

In that case, just make the entire crossguard out of that stuff then. Doesn't need to cut anything.