Now you've sent me down the rabbit hole of all constructors to change nationalities.Benetton is the only team in F1 history to win Grands Prix under two different team nationalities; 26 of their victories were under a British licence and 1 was under an Italian licence.
Yeah, kinda smells a bit I reckon. Almost as much as splitting the races into stages.The Stage system of racing, where a race is broken up into 3 sections with championship points awarded to the top 10 at the end of stages 1 and 2, was introduced to NASCAR at the start of 2017. The Cup race at Martinsville last weekend was the first stage race where the winner didn't score the most points:
- Denny Hamlin won stages 1 and 2, gaining 10 points each, came second overall for another 35, and got 1 point for fastest lap, totalling 56;
- Chase Elliot was outside the top 10 after stages 1 and 2 so scored no points from either, but won the race for 55 championship points.
In fairness to NASCAR the events of last weekend are the only possible combination that can allow someone to score more points than the winner; the points system has a 20 point gap from 1st to 2nd, then a 1 point gap from 2nd down, so winning does give a healthy points advantage.Yeah, kinda smells a bit I reckon. Almost as much as splitting the races into stages.
I'm OK with drivers scoring points for things like qualifying so long as pole position scores the most.
I'm even fine with points for setting the fastest lap of the race, leading a lap of the race or leading the most laps of the race.
What should not be possible in any way at all, is for someone to end up with more points than the winner of the race. That should always be the ultimate prize and pay the most in points.
I've followed the WRC since the final year of Gtoup B, admittedly at differing levels of commitment.In fairness to NASCAR the events of last weekend are the only possible combination that can allow someone to score more points than the winner; the points system has a 20 point gap from 1st to 2nd, then a 1 point gap from 2nd down, so winning does give a healthy points advantage.
Do you follow the WRC at all? The points system they've got at the moment means the points scored often bears little resemblance to the finishing order.
We won't be far off that in 2027 to be fair, although no one really knows what it's going to look like, we do know that there is a high likelihood that Rally2 and WRC27 cars will be competitive with each-other. With Hyundai even committing to a Rally2 car for their main WRC title charge next year whilst Toyota are developing a new WRC27 machine. Apparently 10 'tuners' are also registering interest in WRC27, although not many have actually committed yet.I've followed the WRC since the final year of Gtoup B, admittedly at differing levels of commitment.
I used to buy Autosport magazine every week, and others, but not just for the WRC, and we used to get a 1 hr TV review after every round, but if I didn't follow the YouTube channel nowadays, I wouldn't have a clue what's going on.
I've been more dedicated in 2025/26 thanks to Taylor Gill just missing the WRC3 title and having a limited program for this year in WRC2.
Unfortunately, I feel like the current version of the WRC is Formula Yaris, with Hyundai playing a dutiful support role, and Ford wasting their time and money by continuing to turn up.
I'd much rather the rulemakers just adopt the WRC2 class as the main attraction for its increase in manufacturer variety and unpredictability from 2027 and move on.
As for the points and how they work, I just look at the results and points table at the end of each rally.
The WRC is just crying out for a stable set of sensible regulations.We won't be far off that in 2027 to be fair, although no one really knows what it's going to look like, we do know that there is a high likelihood that Rally2 and WRC27 cars will be competitive with each-other. With Hyundai even committing to a Rally2 car for their main WRC title charge next year whilst Toyota are developing a new WRC27 machine. Apparently 10 'tuners' are also registering interest in WRC27, although not many have actually committed yet.
Davey Allison and Fireball Roberts would also make this list. Alan Kulwicki as well. I'm not sure if he falls into the same category and of the 3, only Roberts died in a car crash (the other 2 died in air accidents).I just noticed, there are an awful lot of iconic drivers who died an untimely death in their early 30s. Ayrton Senna, Jim Clark, and Bruce McLaren are three that I've immediately noticed.
I can only think of one driver in that category: Greg Moore.In the eras where death was an occupational hazard, I'd say that most drivers needed to make it to their 30s to become reputable enough to be remembered after dying whilst racing.
There must surely be a plethora of 20-somethings who are less well remembered because of their lack of comparative success.
There were 12 seasons of GP2, 9* champions made it to F1. Just Giorgio Pantano*, Davide Valsecchi and Fabio Leimer who didn't get the chance as GP2 champions.Famously, three F3000 champs never made it to Formula One — Jörg Müller, Bruno Junqueira and Björn Wirdheim — the other 17 all made it to the top of the pyramid. Vincenzo Sospiri was contracted as a driver and did enter the 1997 Australian and Brazilian Grands Prix.
How does GP2 stack up in that regard from a similar amount of time?
Vincenzo Sospiri and Riccardo Rosset being the two unfortunate victims of the dreadful, and sad end to Lola's involvement in Formula One.Famously, three F3000 champs never made it to Formula One — Jörg Müller, Bruno Junqueira and Björn Wirdheim — the other 17 all made it to the top of the pyramid. Vincenzo Sospiri was contracted as a driver and did enter the 1997 Australian and Brazilian Grands Prix.
How does GP2 stack up in that regard from a similar amount of time?
Barrichello wasn't an F3000 Champion, he had one season in the category in 1992 and ranked 3rd overall, then moved up to F1 with Jordan for 1993.The irony of F3000 was that it was the successor to European F2; in which no F2 champ became an F1 world champ. The best drivers seemed to be plucked right from success in European or British F3.
I think Rubens Barrichello was the most successful F3000 champ to make in F1? Though Jean Alesi was the first F3000 champ to win an F1 race.
Definitely one of those "weird that it happened twice" moments.1996 Australian Grand Prix, Forti enter the season with two drivers who previously finished 1-2 in the International F3000 standings (Badoer 1st, Montermini 2nd in 1992), both of whom fail to qualify.
1997 Australian Grand Prix, Lola enter the season with two drivers who previously finished 1-2 in the International F3000 standings (Sospiri 1st, Rosset 2nd in 1995), both of whom fail to qualify.
Both teams go bust before the season is out.
(Not exactly anomalous, I know)
1996 Australian Grand Prix, Forti enter the season with two drivers who previously finished 1-2 in the International F3000 standings (Badoer 1st, Montermini 2nd in 1992), both of whom fail to qualify.
1997 Australian Grand Prix, Lola enter the season with two drivers who previously finished 1-2 in the International F3000 standings (Sospiri 1st, Rosset 2nd in 1995), both of whom fail to qualify.
Both teams go bust before the season is out.
(Not exactly anomalous, I know)
Thanks.Definitely one of those "weird that it happened twice" moments.
From the GP2 & F2 eras, the times when both 1st and 2nd went up to F1 the year after were:
So yeah, quite a low occurrence and crazy that the title rivals ended at the same team in your examples.
- 2009 - Hulkenberg to Williams, Petrov to Renault
- 2010 - Maldonado to Williams, Perez to Sauber
- 2018 - Russell to Williams, Norris to McLaren
- 2024 - Bortoleto to Kick Sauber, Hadjar to Racing Bulls
Sauber used Castrol (1996) and Shell (1997 onwards) fuel from 1996-2002 despite their main sponsor and engine naming rights being Petronas. It wasn't until 2003's Sauber C22 that they actually used Petronas fuel.Not a statistical anomaly but the Jordan 198 used Elf fuel and lubricants despite being sponsored by Repsol.