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I'd say no, McLaren was still the Mercedes works team in 2009 when Brawn took the title with customer engines.Is Red Bull-Renault the only customer team to beat the works team to the constructors' title?
I'd say no, McLaren was still the Mercedes works team in 2009 when Brawn took the title with customer engines.Is Red Bull-Renault the only customer team to beat the works team to the constructors' title?
Interesting point. I was taking it as either Mercedes GP team or nothing. They did have the exclusive contract for Mercedes for a long time but that's like Benetton having the "works" Ford contract from 1989-94 and other teams like Jordan, Minardi, Footwork and so on having "customer" engines but Benetton wasn't Ford Grand Prix Racing. And neither was Stewart who became the "works" Ford team in 1997 until Ford actually bought the team for 2000.I'd say no, McLaren was still the Mercedes works team in 2009 when Brawn took the title with customer engines.
We've also had Jade Edwards and Nick Halstead this year, -5 apiece, I believe Derek Palmer Jr ended up on -2 in 2015.A BTCC odd one.
The series has points not just overall drivers, independents, and teams, but independent teams as well. Due to the BTCC system of penalty points for exceeding a certain amount of engine changes per season (5 I believe, created in the early 00's to stop big budget factory teams creating Quali-spec super-engines), Welch Motorsport and drivers Ollie Jackson and Dan Welch achieved this rather bizarre set of statistics:
Overall (Out of 32)
28th Jackson 0 points.
32nd Welch -40 points.
Combined -40 points.
Overall Teams Championship (Out of 21)
21st with 0 points.
Independents Trophy (Out of 28)
26th Jackson 2 points
28th Welch -38 points
Combined -36 points.
Independent Teams Trophy (Out of 19)
19th 6 points
Incidentally Mark Howard finished 2016 36th/36th overall with -3 points!
Even more impressive when you consider Nick had a top 10 finish....We've also had Jade Edwards and Nick Halstead this year, -5 apiece, I believe Derek Palmer Jr ended up on -2 in 2015.
The only others I can think of are Production Class Driver Hyla Breese in 2002 (-16 points) and Dave Brodie in 1989 (-37 points)Even more impressive when you consider Nick had a top 10 finish....
That's quite the coincidence that it lasted until the end of a season, to catch that figure whilst it's the same.McLaren's consecutive F1 race start streak stands at 361, which they've achieved twice: from Belgium 1983 to Canada 2005, and France 2005 to Abu Dhabi 2023.
Yep. Obviously Red Bull and Williams share the current 361 streak (a record in Red Bull's case, not in Williams') but that McLaren's fits so neatly is delightful.That's quite the coincidence that it lasted until the end of a season, to catch that figure whilst it's the same.
McLaren's consecutive F1 race start streak stands at 361, which they've achieved twice: from Belgium 1983 to Canada 2005, and France 2005 to Abu Dhabi 2023.