STi vs. 88 camaro

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Originally posted by Monster7
I've yet to see a *stock ZO6 run a 12.5 in person, or anywhere for that matter.

With a few mods, the STI will beat it senseless.

And the STI is a muscle car. For this decade.
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Exactly!! I personally dont like Z06 at all, but yeah thats pretty quick since it has 405hp V8 while the NSX type S Zero with a v6 pushing around 290hp and Skyline GT-R R34 Vspec with a inline 6 pushing around 315-328hp both run 12.8s with 6 cylinder, not thats more impressive :D. I dont like domestic cars but i respect them i dont go around dissing them and **** like most domestic lover do.

With upgrades like an exhaust and pc chip the STI will whoop the Z06. Just like the R34 with minor upgrades and a pc chip it will easily have around 400hp. Thats impressive!
 
You're not hearing me son.

Do you know what a Z06 with minor mods would do to a stock STI?
The results would be laughable.

Endless I tell you..........endless.
 
Originally posted by Vader
Finally, a point of view with some sense
Well, I can't believe people are still tossing this around.
It's an endless arguement
One thing is for sure, and that's that a stock 88 IROC will not beat a stock STI.
When you start talking mods, you're all done. You're pissing in the wind. Anything can be made to beat anything. It's all how much do you want to spend.
I have to cry foul on the Z06. Anyone who doubts that car has never raced one. They are exceptional cars. People that don't hit 12's with that car don't know how to drive. It's one of the most formidable cars being produced right now. It handles, and it pulls hard. Stock to stock it should behead an STI. They might hide behind their all wheel drive, but pull a downshift next to one and see what happens...........
You'd be wise not to disrespect this car, otherwise you'll get in a position in which this car will really disrespect you. You'd just better hope none of your friends are around.
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Who said they couldn't run a 12? I've seen roughly 5 at the track, (2 in my city, 3 in Houston) and NONE of them ran a 12.5. I've seen a couple dip into the 12.7-12.8 range.

12.7 in a $50,000 car. 50k or more depending on how high the dealer mark-up is. I picked up my VR-4 for 5k, stuck a little over $1,000 into it, and on my second time to the track ran a 12.760.

Back on topic: Whoever doubt's an STI won't murder just about every Camaro ever made, go to a drag-strip.
 
Originally posted by Vader
You're not hearing me son.

Do you know what a Z06 with minor mods would do to a stock STI?
The results would be laughable.

Endless I tell you..........endless.
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Yes but the same amount of mods in the STi it would be a good match.
 
Yes sir.

Monster you're right about the tag being high. It's not just about the straight line in that car though. That's why the price tag with the Vette.
The STI is more practical, and a better everyday driver, and a lot of car for the money. But the reason it's so good at the strip is the all wheel drive. Same thing with your VR4. Again, a downshift on the move will show the difference. It might be a little closer on a downshift with a Camaro SS, but I suspect the SS will lay down the law. I don't know that for sure though.
No disrespect to the STI or VR4 meant.
 
If you head over to Z06Vette.com, there are plenty of guys there that have gone much quicker than 12.8... bone stock on street tires. One fellow broke into the 11s.

http://www.z06vette.com/quarter.php?search=3

That doesn't mean I believe every Joe with a Z06 will run bone stock 11s. But then again, I don't believe every John with an STi will run 12s either.

I have no interest in debating which car is better in a drag, but it should be pointed out that once you start talking about modding both cars, its just comes down to who spends more.


///M-Spec
 
Originally posted by 12sec. Civic
My friend later tells me that he lost to a 1993 Dodge Spirit!!! Which is a FWD bargain basement car with a Mitsubishi 3.0L V6 pushing 141hp. Enough to beat the overweight underacheiving Camaro.
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Umm, be sure that wasn't a Spirit R/T. The only way to tell is the R/T badging. Other than that, they look identical. The R/T had a 2.2 Turbo III Dodge 4 cylinder with heads tweaked by Lotus, pushing about 220 hp in stock form and easily 300 with mild modifications.

Not defending a '79 Camaro, which is about the absolute worst of the bunch ever made, but the Spirit R/T is a helluva Q-ship.
 
this thread took a turn for the worse :lol: When did hte vette come into this? Ooo...im going to go run my 86 at port q drag strip in 2 weeks. I just bought a vette 386 engine and im jst waiting for it to be transplanted. Cant wait. If this thread is still alive ill post my time.
 
Originally posted by 360rider
this thread took a turn for the worse :lol: When did hte vette come into this? Ooo...im going to go run my 86 at port q drag strip in 2 weeks. I just bought a vette 386 engine and im jst waiting for it to be transplanted. Cant wait. If this thread is still alive ill post my time.
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BAWHAHAHAHAHA!!
 
Originally posted by spike10h
ok ive heard from a friend that a 88 camaro beat an STi in a drag race. i thought this to be true while my friend told me this was clearly false. while an STi is an incredible car, how can its 300 hp 2.5l boxer turbo engine be matched against an 88 camaro 350 hp 5.7l V8? im not taking sides or anything but i just think it seems odd that people think an STi beat a camaro.
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:lol:

Hilarious post.
 
Originally posted by Monster7
Your full on with the Camaro beating the STI because as pointed out by another member, you have no idea what your talking about.

As for you beating 3 STI's, I believe it. I'd also say you have $3-4,000 into your motor to do it. And even then you'd still need a good launch to pull it off. As for a roadcourse, forget it. You'll lose before your car touches the track. Your another kid who has read one too many Chevy power magazines.
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thats funny, my IROC Camaro only has $2000 into it and it runs 11s and gets 28 mpg on average. It also is very potent in a road course, more than capable of hanging with a POS WRX in the twisties if not surpassing it. I compete in autocross as well as drag, the third generation f-body has one of the best designs for high speed handling as well as road course running. Set many records that still haven't been broken, including the fastest stock bodied car ever built (over 300 MPH in a stock bodied firebird formula). The only time the STi would have the advantage is in wet weather since its got 4 drive wheels (obviously) and all 4 have to break loose for it to lose control. Stock for stock, an STi will win, lets face it, it's over a decade newer and technology has changed. obviously a 1988 subaru wouldn't have **** on an 88 camaro, even a V6 model, since they were still using carburetors when everyone else had gone EFI and 90% of japanese cars couldn't break out of the 18s then. an LS1 would destroy an STi in a drag race and of course, a $2500 IROC 350 with another $2000 into it, will annihilate a $30000 STi. I say the next time you're going to talk, try to avoid talking out your ass. STis on whole are garbage. $5000 to get them into the 12s, and they are overpriced to begin with. an 03 cobra would annihilate any STi and costs the same.
 
oh yeah, a Z06 has gone mid 11s and 120 MPH in the 1320' bone stock on ET Streets. stop magazine racing, a Z06 will destroy any slowline or STi mod for mod and still get 30 MPG average...
 
Originally posted by ImportsAreJunk
thats funny, my IROC Camaro only has $2000 into it and it runs 11s and gets 28 mpg on average. It also is very potent in a road course, more than capable of hanging with a POS WRX in the twisties if not surpassing it. I compete in autocross as well as drag, the third generation f-body has one of the best designs for high speed handling as well as road course running. Set many records that still haven't been broken, including the fastest stock bodied car ever built (over 300 MPH in a stock bodied firebird formula). The only time the STi would have the advantage is in wet weather since its got 4 drive wheels (obviously) and all 4 have to break loose for it to lose control. Stock for stock, an STi will win, lets face it, it's over a decade newer and technology has changed. obviously a 1988 subaru wouldn't have **** on an 88 camaro, even a V6 model, since they were still using carburetors when everyone else had gone EFI and 90% of japanese cars couldn't break out of the 18s then. an LS1 would destroy an STi in a drag race and of course, a $2500 IROC 350 with another $2000 into it, will annihilate a $30000 STi. I say the next time you're going to talk, try to avoid talking out your ass. STis on whole are garbage. $5000 to get them into the 12s, and they are overpriced to begin with. an 03 cobra would annihilate any STi and costs the same.
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No, you dont need 5K to get a stock STi into 12s. Its already been done. A stock STi with a professional driver did 12.9s, with no modification what so ever.

As to compare a Cobra to a STi, fine lets compare. The Cobra cost 34,860 as base, the STi cost 31,120. The Cobra has 390hp 390 ftlb of torque weighs 3665lbs to the STi with 300hp and 300 ft lb and weighs only 3263. The STi is a 4 door 4 wheel drive car too and it still weigh less. Of course Cobra has the powerful engine and a 4.6L V8 to the STi 2.5 I4. They both run about the same in the 1/4 mile. Around a circuit, and autocross the STi would be slightly better. Also you get Subaru's awesome reliabilty, im not saying that ford is unreliable.

As for the Z06, it shouldnt be compare with these two. Its out of their class. Z06 is capable of low 12s for sure in the 1/4 but 11s sound too fast for me but im not sure. The Z06 cost more therefore, I dont see it as a good competitor to either Camaro or STi or Cobra.

As for your Camaro, stock for stock the IROC runs around 15s.

Car-Stats.com Report for 1988 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z
Obtained from
0-60: 7 Transmission: Unknown
1/4 Mile: 15.5

I dont know how you made it run 11s with just 2K spent on the engine. EPA City/Hwy 17/25 mpg is the stock MPG for a 88 Camaro, i dont see where you get 28 on average.
 
Originally posted by ImportsAreJunk
I say the next time you're going to talk, try to avoid talking out your ass.
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hey take your own advice

BTW i agree with rollazn your user name sucks
 
ImportsAreJunk do you feel threatend by imports or something?
 
It's true, Imports are junk. I'll take an 88 camaro overan sti anyday.

Actually, my car is an import. But that's not the point.
 
Originally posted by menglan
I like Importsarejunk's username. It's funny.:lol:
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Originally posted by menglan
It's true, Imports are junk.
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Of course you would...:rolleyes:

I dont see how Imports are junk. When people talk about cars and say that they are junks, they mostly are talking about reliabilty wise. Thats what i think, and if he was refering to them as junk because of reliabilty then Toyota and Honda both top the chart on JDPower reliabilty test, I dont see how you can consider cars like Civic that last forever junk.

Edit: Plus, this thread is old, why did he bother to bring it back?! Just to disagree on something. I say we should just let this thread die.
 
ImportsAreJunk:

You know as well as I do that Subaru's AWD creates understeer. Even though they have good handling, they'll never be as good as a rear-wheel drive sports car. I loved racing my dad's Mazda Miata at the last Solo II. The turning was so much more crisp than the Impreza RS and WRX. All the Subaru's excluding the STis, aren't sports cars, they're just everday sedans/wagons. They're also damn good at what they do. It's not suprising a sports car would beat one in the handling department. Mazda Miatas were almost matching times of the STis, despite having half the horsepower. The STi was born on the dirt, not the strip or the tarmac. You'd be an idiot to think a F-Body would keep up with it on the dirt.

But the Impreza's offer superior handling in adverse conditions, like you said. The very first time I raced, VERY FIRST, it was cold so competition tires didn't do much good. On my stock, Bridgestone RE-92s in my 165hp 2000 Impreza RS, I beat a 405hp Chevrolet Z06. Proof 33/SS vs. 251/GSN. Bam. Everyday sedan, beats a sports car, because I had the more practical car.

Also, what are these records that the third generation F-Bodies hold besides the stock bodied Firebird? You seem to be all about handling, so tell me, what sort of handling records does it hold? If I got up to 110mph in my completely stock Hyundai Accent, I imagine 300mph in just a stock body car isn't anything to toot a horn about.

I wish you were more open minded. I go to autocrosses to have fun and still be competitive and I would like others to be like that too. Not some close-minded jackass that thinks anything made outside the US sucks.

Originally posted by I6-4-eva
hmm.. how would a BMW (e46)M3 against the STi?
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My guess is they would MURDER an STi. Well, not murder, but I would put money on the M3. Although it could be considered luxury, I would say it's far more sporty than an STi.
 
simple we have the torque but you have the power :rolleyes: and a muscle car might be strong really strong but i wont know how to use the power in witch they will win i witness a 1992 honda hatch back beat a 1996 corvette why the corvette had no traction and low torque
 
Originally posted by nissan300zx
simple we have the torque but you have the power :rolleyes: and a muscle car might be strong really strong but i wont know how to use the power in witch they will win i witness a 1992 honda hatch back beat a 1996 corvette why the corvette had no traction and low torque
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