Suggestion Box.

[Gt3Emperor]

Man,...The way you expressed that give me goose bumps! I could'nt think of a way to say it better. That's what I mean by my motto, "Winning isn't everything...Race for Fun!"

It's not aways being in the best car, or the car that everybody else seems to have success in.....sometimes it's about picking what you like, in spite of the odds aqainst it, and just, "be the best you can be", with what you've got.

I remember Ayton Senna one year when he was with Mc Laren.... the car was bad..... Senna knew it was bad, but every race in spite of it.....with his pulse at 180+.....you just knew he would give it his best. That's when I really began to admire Senna....he had character to match his skill.

That's the 'spirit of Racing'. Well said, GoKents!👍 👍

 

[Slicks]

I would like to see more stock cars to reduce the costs. But I also wouldn't mind the idea of spending a fixed amount on a car. Or, instead, a percentage of what the car cost in the first place. Mabye allow up to 25 or 30% of the buying price. This would help teach people how to cost-effectively tune a car.
I also like the idea of having a 2 or even 3 car competition.

 

[Kent]

Would you all be interested in a race using a specific prize car... it might help build up your budget.

I will also look into a simple low power tuner race. Something specific or something wide open.

I gotta say though, not being able to do pwr races is gonna suck big time. I love doing pwr races in the various racing levels.

Like last week, the 2.5 range is optimal for the rgt obviously. I enjoyed that run and feel that if the rgt was to go down to 2.2, it would be a match for most of the jgtc cars. But at the fully moded level, the rgt is no match for the denso.

So with that in mind, I've gotta say that I really like to race at all of the various levels and find out which cars are best in which ranges.

Well keep up the suggestions, I am always, literally, always thinking about new races. Got something in mind, post it up!

 

[The Missing Link]

GTC gars (CLK, Astra and Calibra) are quite a bit of fun in stock trim at any track. They differ slightly (not sure how) from teh JGTC, and are far less frequently used in comparison to the JGTC's.

 

[oxygenuk]

i think another cool idea would be having some weeks when you have to find a team member so its 2 people on the same team whichever team comes out on top is the winner

 

[Kent]

I like this german touring car vs jgtc race idea.

If you of you want to look into it more deeply and suggest a limited field...

I'm gonna do that myself, but I miss things sometimes and always enjoy a good race discussion.

So until next time,
-

Also, I really enjoyed the suggestions above, great stuff... keep it up.

 

[The Missing Link]

My suggestion is to just pick a track (any of them is good) and then sort the TC cars by class:
CLK + Astra (the calibra is slower due to AWD)
Supras
NSX's
GTR's

Then have a "pick a class" type thing.


OR


Just say pick either the CLK, Astra or Calibra (Even though it is desfinitely slower... not by much though) and then say what track we are racing at, and which mods we can apply.

There's my completed suggestion.

As for a track suggestion, these cars are very comfortable in stock trim and T8's at any track, so any track it is.

Whether it is a hot lap or race can be left up to someone else.

 

[emeraldtiger]

how about tokyo r246 with a hybrided car say like a 4wd
3000hp cap
any car just as long as it has a 4wd drivetrain in it and it can have any combo of parts just cant go above the 3000hp limit and say no less than 400 kg and no more than say 500 kg and run about 5 to 10 laps and count the total time to determan postings

now im new and i tried searching to see if this had been done before but thats alot to search threw and i aint that pataint to do it so if someone has sorry but if not i think it would be a fun race

 

[Recury]

As far as points systems go, I think something that would work would need to reward 3 things: a) doing well, obviously, b) doing well in your division and c) showing up. So you would end up with something like NASCAR's lame ass point system for the people at the bottom - where the racers are only seperated by a few points - and at the top have something where winning or getting a podium actually means something, plus a smallish bonus for either winning or getting a podium in your division (anything too big would encourage cherry picking). So like...

1st - 500
2nd - 350
3rd - 250
4th - 200
5th - 175
6th - 150
and down by 10 or so from there with 75 points for a class 1 win, 50 for a class 2 and 25 for a class 3 win. (I just came up with these numbers off the top of my head, I'm sure someone else can come up with something better). Maybe some other bonuses for team wins, division podiums, etc. You could even make these apply retroactively if you wanted. Also, it would interesting for us newbies who haven't run many races to see some kind of points per race stat.

Edit: If you wanted the points to be a little more managable and not go into the millions, (in addition to keeping it fresh and (somewhat) competitive) you could break it down by seasons and "reset" the points every couple months.

 

[Redline Fox]

I know a lot of people might not like the idea, but I still think a week with the Shelby Cobra at Laguna Seca would be a real challange and fun once people dialed in their settings.

Just a simple suggestion, nothen fancy rollen around my head.

eh, here is one maybe...

Have different PWR for each Division one week. 2.0-2.2-2.5 something like that maybe

::shrugg::

 

[Kent]

Originally posted by Redline Fox
I know a lot of people might not like the idea, but I still think a week with the Shelby Cobra at Laguna Seca would be a real challange and fun once people dialed in their settings.

Just a simple suggestion, nothen fancy rollen around my head.

eh, here is one maybe...

Have different PWR for each Division one week. 2.0-2.2-2.5 something like that maybe

::shrugg::

These are both ideas I have thought over more than once... I have been dying to get a cobra in somehow.

I have also really been looking into divisions having different setups. Not to keep the times the same, but just to give each division a race that will allow all of us to concentrate on the race with in our own division... not like the past where the various divisions are racing each other just as much as they are racing one another in their own divisions.

Great suggestions though, keep em up... I may have something in the works next week that will be nice for everyone. (I hope. )

 

[gt4]

Originally posted by Redline Fox
I know a lot of people might not like the idea, but I still think a week with the Shelby Cobra at Laguna Seca would be a real challange and fun once people dialed in their settings.

Just a simple suggestion, nothen fancy rollen around my head.

eh, here is one maybe...

Have different PWR for each Division one week. 2.0-2.2-2.5 something like that maybe

::shrugg::

well im a division 3 racer and im not really a fan of this. i would much rather just be amazed that the division 1 guys are beating me by insane amounts than be able to put up a comparable time and ive noticed that sometimes(alot of times) it seems like maybe 1 division doesnt really have too many people participating so then if we are all different and say there are only 3 people in div 3 then i would only be racing 2 other people instead of the 10-15 that are normally here.

Edit: i do the weekly to compare myself to others and it seems like it is limiting the comparison if you make it so im only comparing myself to people of comparable "ability"

 

[Kent]

Originally posted by gt4
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Edit: i do the weekly to compare myself to others and it seems like it is limiting the comparison if you make it so im only comparing myself to people of comparable "ability"

Excellent point.

I think that is the most reasonable argument against div specific cars, and so, I am leaning away from doing this sort of thing.

I do have one question...

Can you guys afford another tuner week next week?

Well I have some plans, and you might not have to spend any money, you might decide to race for a prize car to use, or you might just buy something out right.

However, I have had a hankering for a specific car, and so, this car, even though it will not keep up, is going to be my car of choice.
But to be cool, Im gonna let everyone else use other stuff, since I know that no one will wanna run what I end up running.

Anyway, I want you guys to think about some of your favorite cars, cause next week is gonna have some driver choice.

 

[scuderia229]

Originally posted by Redline Fox
I know a lot of people might not like the idea, but I still think a week with the Shelby Cobra at Laguna Seca would be a real challange and fun once people dialed in their settings.

Just a simple suggestion, nothen fancy rollen around my head.

eh, here is one maybe...

Have different PWR for each Division one week. 2.0-2.2-2.5 something like that maybe

::shrugg::

I like the idea of the cobra at laguna....no TC/ASM though and T5s please.....

Also I don't like the idea of different divisions running dofferent setups. It is all or nothing. If you can't handle the car, practice more. Same goes for Div 1 guys who can't cut it one week or Div 3 guys that kill it one week.

If you are going to run differnet setups or cars per division you need to give people the ability to pick their own division...which voids the point of the divisions anyway....

 

[HareTurtle]

We just did the Oreca Viper at Laguna (week 54). But the Cobra at Midfield on Sim tires might be good for a laugh.

 

[Kent]

Once again I'm asking for last minute suggestions.

Bring'em if you've got'em.

I have an idea for the week, but it's been thrown off since I ran it for fun during the week... so for next week, no complex string.

But soon my friends, all in due time.

Since that's that case, track suggestions, ideal pwr suggestions and car class suggestions.

I think we should do another hotlap, they are much better for this format, so let's leave that alone... but the rest of the stuff, Im up for almost anything.

Still loving that touring car/jgtc challenge.

But where?

It's up to you all.
Till then,
-

 

[Danoff]

Special Stage wet.

 

[eggmann]

I think every few weeks we should do a Tire-specific race using something other than T8s or Sim tires, like T2s, T5s, etc. Not neccesarily for this week, but someday... T8s just aren't realistic nor economical for the majority of driving in GT3.

 

[Luxy]

I'd really like to have a week where we run both directions of a track, and combine the times to determine results.

Tahiti Circuit + Tahiti Circuit II in a Clio Race Car (is that possible?)

Seattle + Seattle II in an S2000 with a pwr in the 3-3.5 range.

Deep Forest + Deep Forest II in a stock FTO LM or RX-7 LM (have we run the FTO yet?)

 

[gt4]

i would like to use some sort of stock/arcade cars so that there is no tuning involved and it is purely driving ability.

 

[Redline Fox]

About divisions.

What is the point of having divisions if everyone is racing against each other with the same goal in the same cars.

In real racing divisions are divided among car types not assumed driver ability at any given moment. (though with the times we do have a good indication of

Don't take it that I'm knocking the organization of the weekly, I like comparing my times across the board. But, well I do feel it is valid reasoning, what I have mentioned, for having different setups between divisions once in awhile to add variety.

A suggestion, would be to start having different cars between DIV every week and acclerate the turn over rate for moving between divisions. Though I know that might shake things up to much.

Again, I like the weekly and am just putting different points of view across for the sake of a larger scope of consideration.

 

[scuderia229]

Originally posted by Redline Fox
About divisions.

What is the point of having divisions if everyone is racing against each other with the same goal in the same cars.

In real racing divisions are divided among car types not assumed driver ability at any given moment. (though with the times we do have a good indication of

Don't take it that I'm knocking the organization of the weekly, I like comparing my times across the board. But, well I do feel it is valid reasoning, what I have mentioned, for having different setups between divisions once in awhile to add variety.

A suggestion, would be to start having different cars between DIV every week and acclerate the turn over rate for moving between divisions. Though I know that might shake things up to much.

Again, I like the weekly and am just putting different points of view across for the sake of a larger scope of consideration.

My thinking on divisions (and I am one who would liek to see them go away) is that it sets you up with rivals near your ability level, gives you someone to directly race (instead of watching the big guns all day) and it makes more people feel warm and fuzzy about getting "podiums"...

On the flip side. I watch the top Div 1 guys, have since my first week here. My times might not be the same as theirs but it gives me the goal to shoot for. I think if you are ONLY racing people of your same skill level it is limiting in developing skills. I know I have learned more watching and running against replays from the top Div 1 guys than anything. Also on a weekly basis seeing the top end Div 1 sectors makes me push harder and more often not cut more time off instead of settling for sectors "within my ability". I've learned a ton since I came here 11 weeks ago and I credit that to the above.

Gt3Emp listed the top 10 times (across all divisions) from last week's results. I love that way of showing it. Taking myself as an example. I placed 4th in my division (2) but 9th overall. That "9th overall" is cooler I think.

I can go eitherway on this issue, I'm on the fence....

I however know that I don't want to runn different setups than the top end guys, to me there is little point in it. If you can't handle the car practice more....

 

[HeinrichII]

Originally posted by danoff
Special Stage wet.

excellent choice!

 

[scuderia229]

Originally posted by eggmann
I think every few weeks we should do a Tire-specific race using something other than T8s or Sim tires, like T2s, T5s, etc. Not neccesarily for this week, but someday... T8s just aren't realistic nor economical for the majority of driving in GT3.

Agreed...I'll do ya one better...lets also do no TC no ASM weeks.....

 

[Redline Fox]

Its not always about "if you can't handle the car practice more"

Not everyone has the time or the benefit of using a garage editor. Myself included. Hell, I'd like to see Divisions based on the amount of hours that people have to put into racing and why not one for people with sharkport/xport things.

I'd have saved myself at least five hours already this week just trying to find a car to use.

Regardless, the current setup seems to work fine. So ::shrugg::

 

[The Missing Link]

No offense intended, but if we were only 'allowed' to put in a certain number of laps or slotted a certain amount of time, in equal cars, the 'fast' guys would still 'win.'

It comes down to seat time, and the 'fast' guys have lots more seat time than a lot can comprehend, so even in initial laps, times are 'superior' comparatively. The fact that fat guys are willing to race for an extra 2 or 3 hours more than the rest is just them trying to outde themselves, and set a new standard.

If your 'love of the game' is to put in as much effort as you do, than that is your love of the game. For others it is different, if you think that by some token, the fact that you spend half as much time on a challenge as someone who beats you qualifies any type of "just because" than you are playing for the wrong reasons.

Long story short, that faster guys are faster because they decided they wanted to spend the time to get to that level. If you think there is any other explanation I dare you to take on anybody LIVE (i-link) and prove otherwise.

 

[daan]

Originally posted by missing link
No offense intended, but if we were only 'allowed' to put in a certain number of laps or slotted a certain amount of time, in equal cars, the 'fast' guys would still 'win.'

That was proven over at the 'Times. We did a race series that was time limited. We were given an hour to get 3 races in and send our times in. The fast guys were still at the top.

 

[Der Alta]

Originally posted by missing link
No offense intended, but if we were only 'allowed' to put in a certain number of laps or slotted a certain amount of time, in equal cars, the 'fast' guys would still 'win.'

I've speculated about this as well, and tried a similar race as Daan notes below.

GTP hosted a few instant races, with random participation, some fast guys, some slow guys, and a few in the middle. We all met in a chat room at a given time, The track, car and race were announced, and everybody had exactly one hour to e-mail in their fastest time.

The results nearly every time laid out in a similar fashion. The fast guys were still the ones on top, and the slow guys were on the bottom.

But you want to know a secret? There's a racer that's...ummm... slightly active in the GTP weekly series, that qualified as a Division 3, and a year later, is racing Division 1. You could call him a success story in what the weeklies can do. I, on the other hands, start in Div 3, and am still in Div 3. Granted, I'm better than I was a year ago, but I've got time limits as well.

It's all about commitment (oh, and a wife, job, kids, house, and all that stuff).

AO

 

[The Missing Link]

Thanks guys, I realize my words seem quite harsh, but I know they are true. I mean I have raced Max E. live (I-link and 2-player mode) and being really fast is really difficult live, but still managable to go really fast.

As for success stories... they are all over the place amoung the 'GTsites", in fact I would bet that nearly every one of the regular fast guys of today was at one point asking himself (herself) How in the F! do those guys go that fast?!?!?!

 

[Redline Fox]

I was not in anyway attacking the setup of the weekly race series nor attempting to assert that I would be more competitive if there was stratified participation. However, criticizing people for not having enough physical time or motivation to put into improving their skill at a video game is ridiculous. If you think I was doing the reverse to those that do, then you’ve made a mistake in the interpretation of what I said, because that was not the intention of what I said. My frustrations with improving my own skill level were merely being vented.

Harsh words? I'm in no way feeling "put in my place" if that was in the intend of daring me to an I-Link battle then going on to point out the most obvious facts of any gaming community.

If some people have the time and motivation to put more effort into improving their game, then that is not something I neither am criticizing or envy. (I would prefer a mechanism to make things easier for myself, such as perhaps finding an X-port/Sharkport if I felt an overwhelming need for such a thing.) A mechanism which I expect myself to provide myself.

Do not attempt to lecture me on a subject that I already have a firm comprehension of, nor assume that I’m attempting to postulate another explanation other then the afore mentioned factors of time put in (effort and motivation); along with ease of game management provided by an editor or garage download. I understand that this is a message board and people can misinterpret another’s comments, taking that into consideration, I have to accept the possibility that perhaps I’ve misinterpreted the intentions of the comments that are direct at me. Regardless, I hope that I have more clearly asserted my position and if further clarification is necessary then PM me and I’ll be glad to discuss it further.

(Actually I would'nt, but need often overshadows desire)