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Why don't they have super chargers in GT3 and why can you still not upgrade a normally aspirated engine to a turbo.  I think this would make for a little more interesting racing.  
 
Well, Toad makes a good point, but if they did, all my cars would end up being turbocharged monsters and... well, maybe that would be a good thing. And correct me if I'm wrong, but turbo- and superchargers both do the same thing, they just get the air from different sources, do they not?
 
Yeah Turbos and Superchargers do the same thing basically but a supercharger is a faster resonse to the boost where as with turbo there is a build up of power and it takes a moment to get the boost.  It is just a different application for different cicumstances.  Say if you were in a race with no real straight aways and a lot of turns you might want to use a car with a supercharger because it is a quicker boost for acceleration but in a long race with many straight aways you might want a turbo.  Anyways it doesn't have it anyhow.
 
Toad Turismo will have plenty of supercharges.  Come one, come all.  Prepare for the ultimate racing sim.
 
To reply to the original statement, many of the cars in the game already have superchargers, so installation is not necessary. If you check the Spec on the cars you'll see many have this upgrade already.
 
...umm... turbos are very much different from superchargers, both have their good and bad sides. The only thing they share is the fact that they provide boost, but how when and how well is another story. try reading into it. I dont want to get into a long lecture here as i'm sure many of you already know it.

P.S. i am about to start a Twin Turbo Integra project, i'll keep you posted.
 
Yeah, SCs are a fast reliable way to more power. They are belt-driven and require very little modifications in terms of piping, etc. Thats by Jag and Merc use them. SCs also eat power to provide power. Turbos are more efficient because they are driven by the wasted energy of the fumes on the way out, but are more labor-intensive to install and maintain, not to mention that the ceramic blades (if you go for ceramics) may shatter and make a big boo-boo if they are hit with even an unburnt particle from the exhaust while spooled to high speed, etc...
 
nope... air temperature depends on the intake, intercoolers, etc. The hot fumes spool the turbo blades and go right past them and out the back just like normal, the turbo sucks in the intake air and passes it into the engine. The air is clean and cool either way. The Super Charger is belt driven, just like your AC. Ever notice how much poer the AC takes from your engine? How about 20% on an average family sedan. Well the SC is more or less the same thing. It eats up power to rotate and compress the air. That does produce more power, but think about it. If your engine can take 15 psi of boost (being 100% reliable on the street) and that boost gets you another 150hp, the turbo eats up nothing and you get the full 150hp, while with a supercharger you might get 110hp, because the 40hp was eaten up by the SC itself to operate. On the other hands the SC is tied down to the engine and you get instant response and boost (Merc even has a feature to disengage the SC when its not needed at highway speeds under no acceleration). With the turbo, it depends on the volume of exhaust being pushed through it, so there is the effect called lag. Big turbos lag more, so its a good idea to go with twin turbos which are each smaller and spool faster but toghether provide as much as one big one without the giant lag.

Pick up a Turbo magazine i think last month or this one and they have a big article on this issue.



(Edited by Lemans at 3:45 pm on July 23, 2001)
 
You cant buy stages for superchargers, but you cant get up to a stage 4 with turbos.

BTW: how the hell can you put a twin turbo on an intergra, is a V4. With only room for 1~!
 
Originally posted by f094h
You cant buy stages for superchargers, but you cant get up to a stage 4 with turbos.

BTW: how the hell can you put a twin turbo on an intergra, is a V4. With only room for 1~!

Oh, you COULD, but the real question is WHY?
 
beleive it or not, but the car that i would really love to get is the 1990 BMW E30 M3 EVOLUTION III :eek:
this car is so good you would feel afraid of it! :eek:
it is supercharged, and it's the best of the rest!! :eek:
and by the way, brabham bt52 once took thedriver's championship with nelson piquet, with a power house consisting of a 4 cylendir supercharged, the engine was so powerfull, that when tested to see the horsepowers, the gauge went up to 1100 h.p. and was still going strong!! :D
the first one is my dream car, the second is 1100 h.p. brabham bt52 (even though the official h.p. given to the fia was 600,!! 😈 IT WAS THE SAME LIKE the lancia delta integralle case, official 300, in reality 354 h.p.)
 
Originally posted by Rx7fatboy
Why don't they have super chargers in GT3 and why can you still not upgrade a normally aspirated engine to a turbo.  I think this would make for a little more interesting racing.  

there are supercharger in the game!!!i have two cars with 'em
 
Originally posted by RallyF1
beleive it or not, but the car that i would really love to get is the 1990 BMW E30 M3 EVOLUTION III :eek:
this car is so good you would feel afraid of it! :eek:
it is supercharged, and it's the best of the rest!! :eek:
and by the way, brabham bt52 once took thedriver's championship with nelson piquet, with a power house consisting of a 4 cylendir supercharged, the engine was so powerfull, that when tested to see the horsepowers, the gauge went up to 1100 h.p. and was still going strong!! :D
the first one is my dream car, the second is 1100 h.p. brabham bt52 (even though the official h.p. given to the fia was 600,!! 😈 IT WAS THE SAME LIKE the lancia delta integralle case, official 300, in reality 354 h.p.)


OH YEAH, see that car on my Avatar, THat SWEET Beemer will smoke the crap out of that Evolution III, the Evolution III will be scared SH:censored:T LESS
 
Hello you people are wrong about the BMW E30 M3 EVO 3 IT IS NOT SUPERCHARGED! It is a NA Four banger w/ 238 ps/bhp...and for GOD sakes Beemer is the nickname for the Motorcycles and BIMMER is the nickname for the Cars. Turbochargers will always be more efficent than belt driven superchargers, because a supercharge takes horsepower to make horsepower. Superchargers are nice because no lag time like turbochargers. The M12/13 Engine that is in the Brabham BMW BT52 in 1983 pushed 1280 ps/bhp! The new Euro E46 M3 has 343 ps/bhp that is about 338 SAE HP is if my math is right 1280 ps is about 1261 SAE HP in a 1.5 liter turbocharged fourbanger.

KDF
 
and i dont know about that Evo 3, this is the first time i hear about it. and in my opinion turbos are really better, they are more expensive then supercharger but better..
 
this is kinda silly.
saying something like "turbochargers are better than superchargers" is nonsense. Each has their ups and downs.

A turbocharger is more appropriate for a small high revving engine, and a supercharger is far superior for big engines.

Slap a "honda size" turbo on a corvette and you may see a reduction in power. A turbo that gives you 10lbs of boost (thats a lot) on a 1.8L honda gives you less than 3 lbs in 5.7L vette. The restricted exhaust would probabally outweigh the gain. When you see supercharged vettes and such, (ligenfelter) they are using $15,000 HUGE turbos that take FOREVER to spool up and still only push 8 or 9 lbs.

The comments about using "wasted" horsepower is silly too, because the reduction in exhaust flow is a comparable to what a supercharger will draw.

Superchargers are a lot more versatile, durable, and cheaper, adn depending on the application, better.

Want your honda to be a drag racer? Turbo is the only way to fly. Want a reliable street machine with balls? Thats supercharger country.
 
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