Suspect in a rape case.

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I thought that I was called for internet things because my friend assigned to the case investigates internet fraude/crimes as well.

Maybe it was because you posted that picture in the Babes thread?

 

[Northstar]

Maybe it was because you posted that picture in the Babes thread?

That should have been a federal felony.

 

[Omnis]

Maybe it was because you posted that picture in the Babes thread?

Yep!

 

[kikie]

Maybe it was because you posted that picture in the Babes thread?

Yep!

Luckily I redeemed myself.

 

[ASH32]

Ok, here is my take. I think there wasn't a person who identified you at all. You say that the police asked to see your ID card and I would assume that this contains a photo of you along with various other details about you. In my opinion the police have simply searched for people living or working in a particular area and brought in everyone who may match the description of the offender, based on the photos on peoples Id cards. While doing this isn't good policing, it sure will look good if they get a result and that's all the matters to them.

 

[Vince_Fiero]

I think there wasn't a person who identified you at all.

The fact that there were 50 people or so in the same case as you, does seem to confirm this. It does not seem personal.

P.S. Anyone sane would freak out, it is not our idea of how justice should work. Unfortunately however sometimes the police do not have the choice.

 

[kikie]

Ok, here is my take. I think there wasn't a person who identified you at all.

There was! The interrogator, whom I met for the first time and my friend who is assigned to the case said on different occasions that my named was mentioned by someone who saw the press release thing asking for tips. They even said that it could have been someone who doesn't know me personally but good enough to give my name to the police or they also said that it could have been an annonymous tip. This clearly shows that my name was given to the police by someone. Ofcourse they can't reveal the name of this person, so they say these things, like I just mentioned.

And like I have said before, the first thing the interrogator said was that my name was mentioned or linked to a rape.

 

[Touring Mars]

They even said that it could have been someone who doesn't know me

they also said that it could have been an annonymous tip

they can't reveal the name of this person

Three very good reasons why you shouldn't bother trying to find out who named you.

 

[Duke]

You know what, I don't know if you all are going to buy this but the fact that I had the change to start this thread and get it off my chest, helps. Maybe, just maybe if I let it be and it (this feeling I have) wears out, I'm not even remotely interested in knowing who he or she is.

I'm glad it's helped and we are here to listen. That's why I wanted to make sure we could keep it open. 👍

Keep us posted as it gets resolved, and good luck to you.

 

[kikie]

I'm glad it's helped and we are hear to listen. That's why I wanted to make sure we could keep it open. 👍

Keep us posted as it gets resolved, and good luck to you.

I will and thanks.

One thing I can already say. I've contacted a laywer today to see what my options are.

 

[FoolKiller]

I need to point something out quickly, and hopefully it will help you realize that you may have misdirected some of your anger.

No, the police said that my name was mentioned by someone whom saw or read about this case. It was a tip because I met the description, which was giving on tv/newpaper etc... .

If a crime was reported and a description that matched my best friend came in I would still turn him in. It is not unusual to hear about some serial killer, rapist, mass murderer, or whatever and when they talk to his neighbors and family they talk about how nice he was. Assuming someone you know turned your name in, it does not mean they think you did it. It could simply be that they saw the description and turned your name in, feeling horrible about it because they don't believe you could do it, but knowing they wouldn't be able to live with themselves if it turned out that you did and they didn't say something. This person could have said more horrible things to themselves by now than you could even think to say.

And this is assuming it is someone that knows you well, or that anyone actually turned you in. Right now all you have is this:

The interrogator, whom I met for the first time and my friend who is assigned to the case said on different occasions that my named was mentioned by someone who saw the press release thing asking for tips. They even said that it could have been someone who doesn't know me personally but good enough to give my name to the police or they also said that it could have been an annonymous tip. This clearly shows that my name was given to the police by someone. Ofcourse they can't reveal the name of this person, so they say these things, like I just mentioned.

I am not sure what the rules of conduct are for police in Belgium, but here a cop lying during an interrogation is not unheard of, in fact it is common. And not knowing in what way your friend is assigned to the case, they could be hiding some info from him too. Your description makes it sound like he was surprised you were there. The moment the investigators knew he knows you they would almost have to keep info from him.

But don't forget that this could just as easily have been someone who knows you just enough to know your name, saw the press thing, and called because they don't know you well enough to know anything but your name.

 

[kikie]

I need to point something out quickly, and hopefully it will help you realize that you may have misdirected some of your anger.

*snip*

Make sense.

But I still want to know who(m) this person is though.
[Curiosity killed the cat]. This proverb just popped in my mind.

 

[FoolKiller]

But I still want to know who(m) this person is though.
[Curiosity killed the cat]. This proverb just popped in my mind.

And that is fine. It just might benefit you to realize that whoever gave them your name is likely not out to get you or thinking you did it. And if they legitimately did think you may be involved it might purely be because the information in the press release seemed pretty convincing and they were only doing what they thought was right.

Finding the press release might be enough to give you some information as to the why and how. If there is a sketch that looks kind of like you or they are looking for a car similar to yours it would make a lot of sense.

 

[Duke]

Not to make light of your situation at all, kikie, but remember this:

 

[Hugo Boss]

And like I have said before, the first thing the interrogator said was that my name was mentioned or linked to a rape.

I can imagine it's far from pleasant to hear you're linked to a rape, especially taking your past into account, but please keep in mind that the police will treat you as a suspect until it's clear you have nothing to do with it. They want to see your reaction when they confront you with the statement. If someone doesn't react on the word 'rape', it's clear something is seriously wrong with that person. It doesn't imply your name is explicitly mentioned as the possible offender, even though the interrogator told you it was. It's just that to be effective, the police interrogates in a confronting and unpleasant way.

Although only marginally comparable, last month I called the police because of a burglary. I was expecting them to start about clues, prints and stuff that was missing, but after the first few questions I was under the impression they were suspecting me. I was completely flabbergasted at first, but later on I realised they wanted to see my reaction on the whole situation and rule out the possibility of me trying to diddle the insurance company.

Just to say: the police needs to be ice cold if they want to do their job properly. It might feel unfair that you're confronted so directly, but that's just the unlucky situation you got into. Even if you're name is mentioned explicitly, it could very well be done by someone who was so hurt by the press release that this person somehow got convinced on emotional grounds that it was you, rather than based on pure facts. This is highly unpleasant for you, but it's better to stay calm knowing you have nothing to do with the incident than bother yourself with whom might have given your name to the police. It's probably not more than a bad coincidence you ended up being interrogated..

 

[kikie]

Not to make light of your situation at all, kikie, but remember this: *snip, saving bandwidth*

That's ... somewhat funny. But I was linked based on a general description. As far as I know, there wasn't a photofit,composition photo given to the press.

I can imagine it's far from pleasant to hear you're linked to a rape, especially taking your past into account, but please keep in mind that the police will treat you as a suspect until it's clear you have nothing to do with it. They want to see your reaction when they confront you with the statement. If someone doesn't react on the word 'rape', it's clear something is seriously wrong with that person. It doesn't imply your name is explicitly mentioned as the possible offender, even though the interrogator told you it was. It's just that to be effective, the police interrogates in a confronting and unpleasant way.

Just to say: the police needs to be ice cold if they want to do their job properly...

Yep, you're correct.
But I'm aware of these things. Unfortunate, or maybe fortunate for me, I like to watch detective shows on television. And also documentaries about interrogation techniques, documentaries on how cases are solved, if possible within 24h, documentaries on the latest developments in connection with apparatus that can detect if someone is lying, documentaries on how people are trained to look for facial signs/bodylanguages if someone is truthful or not.
But if you're confronted is such a way and with such horrible facts, you forget all you have seen/learned about these things.

I freaked out in overdrive! And I'm so ashamed that I wasn't able to control my emotions.

On a personal note: how come you're English is so good?

 

[Hugo Boss]

Yep, you're correct.
But I'm aware of these things. Unfortunate, or maybe fortunate for me, I like to watch detective shows on television. And also documentaries about interrogation techniques, documentaries on how cases are solved, if possible within 24h, documentaries on the latest developments in connection with apparatus that can detect if someone is lying, documentaries on how people are trained to look for facial signs/bodylanguages if someone is truthful or not.
But if you're confronted is such a way and with such horrible facts, you forget all you have seen/learned about these things.

I freaked out in overdrive! And I'm so ashamed that I wasn't able to control my emotions.

On a personal note: how come you're English is so good?

Great to see you've settled down now. A rape is the last thing you want to be accused of. It makes perfect sense you react on that in an emotional way. From that point it's better to be ashamed than to be angry!

Also thank you for the compliment. 8 Years of English in school, being part of the GT community for over 7 years and having the luck of being an easy learner explains most of it I think...

 

[Vince_Fiero]

I'm so ashamed that I wasn't able to control my emotions.

Kikie,

When you hear about terrible things I would rather have someone to show emotions. 👍 Just like you expected from the police, for them however rules probably ask them not to get involved for reason to use of any questioning records as legal proof .

A recent example: When you wait till the last day in the GT Academy 2010 to go online and then pulverize the best time on the board, you show are able to control your emotions, but it does not make you more popular.

 

[kikie]

Great to see you've settled down now. A rape is the last thing you want to be accused of. It makes perfect sense you react on that in an emotional way. From that point it's better to be ashamed than to be angry!

Also thank you for the compliment. 8 Years of English in school, being part of the GT community for over 7 years and having the luck of being an easy learner explains most of it I think...

Being an easy learner explains a lot and the fact that you as a Dutchman has to be able to speak other languages because other nationalities assume that you will speak their language when they are on holiday in Holland. It's the same over here in Belgium and ... I hate that.
Isn't it also possible that watching English spoken programmes (television) that are subtitled in Duch, helps? So you hear the English language and read the translation at the same time!

I just came back from the gym for the first time since I was interrogated. Did only half an hour of cardiovascular fitness and I was amazed that my HF (hart rate) was so high in comparison with normal situations. I think I'm still stressed (out), which isn't good because stress breaks down serotonine.
I have to be careful.


EDIT:

Kikie,

When you hear about terrible things I would rather have someone to show emotions.
... , you show are able to control your emotions, but it does not make you more popular.

Yeah but I'm sure this thread isn't going to make more popular on GTP, the opposite. I remember that, I believe it was "Guska", once said in an introduction thread from some one that I'm the resident (I believe it was that word), .... of GTP.
I can't remember the word but it's some one who cuts him/herself, dresses oddly, listen to dark music and is very emotional.

This shows how most people on GTP think about me and I've always been aware of this.
But I refuse to break . I've had too many negative things to deal with in my life, psychologically and this won't be the last time, I'm sure

 

[Hugo Boss]

Being an easy learner explains a lot and the fact that you as a Dutchman has to be able to speak other languages because other nationalities assume that you will speak their language when they are on holiday in Holland. It's the same over here in Belgium and ... I hate that.
Isn't it also possible that watching English spoken programmes (television) that are subtitled in Duch, helps? So you hear the English language and read the translation at the same time!

It sure helps that the English spoken programmes are subtitled in Dutch. Glad I don't live in Germany! On the other hand I'm now at a level that I notice some programmes are so poorly translated it gets annoying. However I'm convinced it helped me when I was younger.

I personally don't have a problem with tourists not speaking Dutch. Most of them speak English or at least try to. It occurs very rarely that they only speak German or French. I don't blame them for not speaking Dutch, not many countries you can use the language!

 

[maulreize]

EDIT:

Yeah but I'm sure this thread isn't going to make more popular on GTP, the opposite. I remember that, I believe it was "The Moose, once said in an introduction thread from some one that I'm the resident (I believe it was that word), .... of GTP.
I can't remember the word but it's some one who cuts him/herself, dresses oddly, listen to dark music and is very emotional.

This shows how most people on GTP think about me and I've always been aware of this.
But I refuse to break . I've had too many negative things to deal with in my life, psychologically and this won't be the last time, I'm sure

I think the word you are looking for is either Emo or Goth. Emo fits the description more correctly (in my opinion). I've never commented on any of your threads (though I have read many), but I can tell you that personally I don't think of you in that way at all. I look at your story as an inspiration. You are much stronger than most people. Don't let the situation keep you down.
👍

 

[kikie]

I think the word you are looking for is either Emo or Goth. Emo fits the description more correctly (in my opinion). I've never commented on any of your threads (though I have read many), but I can tell you that personally I don't think of you in that way at all. I look at your story as an inspiration. You are much stronger than most people. Don't let the situation keep you down.
👍

Thank you very much.

Yep, emo is the word I was looking for. That's what he called me. If I remember correctly; https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=2837741&postcount=8

 

[Vince_Fiero]

This shows how most people on GTP think about me and I've always been aware of this.

I recently saw the statement "it's none of your business what other people think of you" 💡

An aggressive way of saying that it is their problem what they think about you and you can probably not help them.

On EMO, .... everyone has their way of expressing themselves , if they can give me a good time on the "virtual" track 👍, I do not care, not even interested if they are humanoid, AI, 6 years old ....

P.S.: I'm active in inclusion initiatives at work and getting an open spirit and accepting others for what they are, building on theirs strengths is evolving, but there is still some work to do

Edit: Found someone who explained it more elaborate: http://www.persistenceunlimited.com/2007/02/what-people-think-about-you-is-none-of-your-business/

 

[kikie]

I just got my first written death threat in the mailbox.

 

[DQuaN]

That is awful. I would take it straight to the police.

I take it this means the case is still ongoing? Has there been any progression in the case or is it still as it was in January?

 

[Daniel]

Oh my gosh, that's horrible! I'd do exactly what DQuaN said, straight to the police...

 

[kikie]

That is awful. I would take it straight to the police.

I take it this means the case is still ongoing? Has there been any progression in the case or is it still as it was in January?

I already went to the police before I posted the update above. They are going to look into it. No there hasn't been any progression. I wish there was.

I came home from the gym at around 11.45 am and my father was holding two piece of papers. Unfortunately he already touch the piece of papers.

The message said:

seksmania

The grim reaper is waiting for you

and the second page says literally:

Your last hour has struck (or is it striked?)

 

[Legendary]

I just got my first written death threat in the mailbox.

Holy 🤬! Dude, I am so weary of people these days, anyone could do anything to me, I couldnt fend myself if I was attacked, Im not that big. Just yesterday this guy was looking at me alot (I did tae kwon doe for a 2 and a half years which may not have helped me in combat but it makes me very weary of my surroundings) and I was looking at him for the whole time he was near me. I thought he would rob me but he didnt so it doesnt matter.

Basically, if that was written to me I would be frightened to live in my own home, I would probably move somewhere safe for a while till it is sorted out :/

Hope it all works out for you.

 

[Jay]

I wouldn't pay much attention to it, the whole point of it is to scare you. If they were serious they would have done something about it already. Keep your awareness up but don't stress. A good friend of mine has been through a similar situation.

 

[Ibonibo]

I just got my first written death threat in the mailbox.

oh, ...darn.

As the others said directly to the police.

This is no mobbing, this is threatening with murder which can be sanctioned with withdrawl of freedom (prison) if the person did some other felonies yet (this is not a "delit" or "contravention", this is a crime or felony which will be procecuded very hard.
You will fall into this categorie of crime:
a non perfect crime are criminal behaviors where no dammage or harm was inducted, at the condition that a harm could have been caused, in the hypothesis that the crime would have been commited, and that the law seeks to prevent (this is the case of murder). this includes for exemples : tentatives and incitations (this is a tentation to murder even if the guy will deny it and argues it was only to frighten him). (this is under frech jurisdiction which is similar to the beligian code pénal)
This is a crime and should be procecuted. Sorry also that you're dad had to read that
On the subject: i just saw this thread, that's awful. being accused of something you did not. Is it still not over?

on the emo subject : i read several of your post with the little fly (that's how i know i read some...) and i never would have thought of you as an emo. If you're emotional that is something other than emo. Emo are most of the time negative emotional, like depressive and you would probalby be on an emo forum and not mostly here.
remember : l'enfer c'est les autres + c'est la société qui corrompt l'homme