Suzuki Escudo

[GTV0819]

Hummm ok then. The Option Stream Z? Does it have a "peaky power curve" or turbo lag?

Anyway lets take this to a proper thread. Say this one since you get all of your facts from it anyway. https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=268442

I am up for it I guess. Also the reason I kept mentioning the dyno chart/graph, because the same people you are getting your so called "facts" from are the same people who actually believe that turbo lag doesn't show up on a dyno chart/graph.

Of course, that car is a heavily modified 350Z. I'll admit that I still don't have that car, so I'll have to see yet.

Anyway, I won't follow you on telling me to talk about this in that thread. Who the hell are you to tell me to do things?

And about the fact, what do I care if you're saying that they're from the same people? If you're amused, then you're not being normal anymore, just to say it to your face.

EDIT: I just finished reading that whole thread. Looks like you we're so desperate to prove that there is turbo lag in this game, huh, ORPHANTHIRTY7??

 

[Lock2Lock]

Of course, that car is a heavily modified 350Z. I'll admit that I still don't have that car, so I'll have to see yet.

Anyway, I won't follow you on telling me to talk about this in that thread. Who the hell are you to tell me to do things?

And about the fact, what do I care if you're saying that they're from the same people? If you're amused, then you're not being normal anymore, just to say it to your face.

EDIT: I just finished reading that whole thread. Looks like you we're so desperate to prove that there is turbo lag in this game, huh, ORPHANTHIRTY7??

Empty your message box please
I am done here. I don't want to continue to drag this thread off topic. I told you from the beginning I don't want to get into this topic. You keep continuing going on and on about this. Basically this isn't the thread for this discussion. That's all I am saying by bringing it to that thread, so don't act like I am trying to be a bossy person (In other words don't assume).

I can actually send one if you would like. Yes the car is a heavily modified 350Z. It was a top speed car. It had a single turbo charged engine with a 80mm turbo. Which takes a long time to spool up. Which in that thread someone actually said "No car takes 4 seconds to spool the turbo to max boost", which is 100% false.

Not really "amused" per say. I am just saying you are getting your facts from someone that, well, has no idea to what they are talking about.

Not really "desperate" to prove it. Plus I have really no issue if some deny it or not after the crap that went on in that thread. Just don't take what they say as fact and shove it in my face to prove your point,because that's not going to prove me wrong. That's all I ask. Yes I had my name changed, I was bored of that old name.

Anyway, as I said before. I will not post anything more on this topic in this thread. There's the other thread for that.

Also please empty your inbox

 

[GTV0819]

Lol what a shame. You acted almost different after that reply. Anyway, I don't need you to send me an option stream z just because you said your crap and in that thread, you're saying that both of them have no idea what they are talking about just because they are correct?? Hahaha! I bet both of them really put you into shame that time because you asked for it by convincing them to believe your own statements and up to now, you still haven't change at all about that thing.

 

[Lock2Lock]

Lol what a shame. You acted almost different after that reply. Anyway, I don't need you to send me an option stream z just because you said your crap and in that thread, you're saying that both of them have no idea what they are talking about just because they are correct?? Hahaha! I bet both of them really put you into shame that time because you asked for it by convincing them to believe your own statements and up to now, you still haven't change at all about that thing.

Will you please empty your in box. I have a message to send you. Please just take the time to hear me out man.
I haven't acted any different.
And no they haven't . Trust me on that one. Why do you say that? Because I changed my name? Had nothing to do with that I assure you.

 

[GTV0819]

Will you please empty your in box. I have a message to send you. Please just take the time to hear me out man.
I haven't acted any different.
And no they haven't . Trust me on that one. Why do you say that? Because I changed my name? Had nothing to do with that I assure you.

No, I'm afraid of whatever that message is. Might be something that's insulting or showing bad things.

 

[Lock2Lock]

No, I'm afraid of whatever that message is. Might be something that's insulting or showing bad things.

It isn't insulting man. Trust me I am not that kind of person. Just do me a favor and clear your in box because it is full.

Also, someone else has been trying to send you a PM, but he can't because your in box is full.


Anyway I just posted what I was going to send to you in a PM in the other thread. Look here...
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=8724736#post8724736

 

[Exorcet]

compares a Turbo to a Windmill

You're seriously implying that a turbocharger and a windmill have nothing in common?

At this point believe what you want, but don't spread misinformation.

 

[GTV0819]

The Escudo does not really have turbo lag. It's just the peaky powerband that makes it rather sluggish at low revs and it's annoying to see the same idiot who can't still get over the fact that turbo lag isn't real in the game.

 

[Lock2Lock]

The Escudo does not really have turbo lag. It's just the peaky powerband that makes it rather sluggish at low revs and it's annoying to see the same idiot who can't still get over the fact that turbo lag isn't real in the game.

Excuse me? No need for name calling. I suggest you don't call me or anyone names on here because it is against the AUP. I wasn't rude to you, and didn't call you names. Show a little respect if you expect me to give a crap about anything you say. Nice level of maturity level you are showing by calling me a "idiot".

Also, all you have done is quoted what others have said, you haven't shown evidence of your own observations on the subject.

You're seriously implying that a turbocharger and a windmill have nothing in common?

At this point believe what you want, but don't spread misinformation.

Didn't mean that the two couldn't be compared. Didn't say that at all. That's not what I meant in my post.

 

[CBH]

gt5 suzuki escudo has got turbo lag

 

[GTV0819]

Excuse me? No need for name calling. I suggest you don't call me or anyone names on here because it is against the AUP. I wasn't rude to you, and didn't call you names. Show a little respect if you expect me to give a crap about anything you say. Nice level of maturity level you are showing by calling me a "idiot".

Also, all you have done is quoted what others have said, you haven't shown evidence of your own observations on the subject.

I don't have any problems if you want it to be that way but the thing is, aren't you still over with it? You just had this a year ago with the other thread you mentioned and yet, just because you mentioned that turbo lag about the Escudo, you started it again by making your own thread proving that turbo lag is in the game. I don't care if you're still eager to prove because whether it's in the game or not, it doesn't matter. And what's so special to know if you say it's there in the game?

 

[Lock2Lock]

I don't have any problems if you want it to be that way but the thing is, aren't you still over with it? You just had this a year ago with the other thread you mentioned and yet, just because you mentioned that turbo lag about the Escudo, you started it again by making your own thread proving that turbo lag is in the game. I don't care if you're still eager to prove because whether it's in the game or not, it doesn't matter. And what's so special to know if you say it's there in the game?

Well if you don't have any problems don't call me a idiot. I didn't call you anything, so when you start doing that, yeah "i am going to be that way". Respect works both ways. I am pretty sure if I had said that to you, most likely you would take it the same way I did. So give a little respect if you want some in return.

It's not one of those "Oh I was right, in your face" kind of things. Once again, I am not that kind of person. I honestly don't care if it has it or not. Just saying that there is a lot of evidence that shows it does. Maybe not perfect (which we all know about GT5's imperfections). Which one major problem is how the turbo gauge works.

That new thread, was to show and discuss the subject. Not to start a fight. I have to do a few more things testing this with a few other cars. The

 

[GTV0819]

Lol, you don't have to prove something that someone doesn't need to believe. That sounds stupid, especially if you're still not over with it. I know it hurts, but that's the freaking truth.

 

[Smuttysy]

Back on topic,,,

The Escudo, and several other cars for that matter, seem to have what I refer to as "chassis drag". Even when you HEX out the aero values, this car will still stop accelerating at remarkably low speeds given the power.

Now, the reason I refer to it as chassis drag is that even when you use a different body this effect is still evident. Putting the Escudo chassis on the Integra Type R, for example, produces the same results.
This effect is also noticeable, albeit to a much lesser degree, when using a GT500 chassis with zero'd aero.

 

[GTV0819]

Back on topic,,,

The Escudo, and several other cars for that matter, seem to have what I refer to as "chassis drag". Even when you HEX out the aero values, this car will still stop accelerating at remarkably low speeds given the power.

Now, the reason I refer to it as chassis drag is that even when you use a different body this effect is still evident. Putting the Escudo chassis on the Integra Type R, for example, produces the same results.
This effect is also noticeable, albeit to a much lesser degree, when using a GT500 chassis with zero'd aero.

It's really the peaky powerband to why it's useless at low revs. If you look at the Escudo's DYNO graph, you'll know what I mean.

 

[Lock2Lock]

It's really the peaky powerband to why it's useless at low revs. If you look at the Escudo's DYNO graph, you'll know what I mean.

He's not talking about the powerband on this. And by "Look at the Escudo's DYNO graph you'll know what I mean", you mean to say.... What other have said but you quote as fact.

Back on topic,,,

The Escudo, and several other cars for that matter, seem to have what I refer to as "chassis drag". Even when you HEX out the aero values, this car will still stop accelerating at remarkably low speeds given the power.

Now, the reason I refer to it as chassis drag is that even when you use a different body this effect is still evident. Putting the Escudo chassis on the Integra Type R, for example, produces the same results.
This effect is also noticeable, albeit to a much lesser degree, when using a GT500 chassis with zero'd aero.

Yep you are correct. It is a downforce value that is located to the chassis. That's why it will not get over a certain speed. Nice job discovering this. This is one reason I never do chassis swaps through hybriding. All kinds of factors that play in with a chassis swap.

 

[GTV0819]

He's not talking about the powerband on this. And by "Look at the Escudo's DYNO graph you'll know what I mean", you mean to say.... What other have said but you quote as fact.

So? Whatever. I don't care what you are saying because I don't believe you at all. I'm just saying why it's so sluggish at low revs, not why it has a limited top speed of 210+MPH.

 

[Smuttysy]

Let me just amend this to make the point a little clearer,,

Even when you HEX out the aero values, this car will still stop accelerating at remarkably low top speeds, even when within the powerband, given the power.

(Nothing to do with low revs)

Even the F2007 seems to have a chassis drag factor added into it, really shocked me after adding it to a 900bhp, BMW M5 engined Toyota Tacoma. Weighing in at just 450kg or so, it struggles to get past 200mph, despite the downforce being set at 0/0.
Powerband is irrelevant if the chassis has a large drag factor hidden within it.

Although not quite the same thing, but related to this, is the Ferrari road cars. All the cars I've played around with have all got hidden aero values which you cannot change within the game, also creating drag.

 

[GTV0819]

Even the F2007 seems to have a chassis drag factor added into it, really shocked me after adding it to a 900bhp, BMW M5 engined Toyota Tacoma. Weighing in at just 450kg or so, it struggles to get past 200mph, despite the downforce being set at 0/0. Powerband is irrelevant if the chassis has a large drag factor hidden within it.
Although not quite the same thing, but related to this, is the Ferrari road cars. All the cars I've played around with have all got hidden aero values which you cannot change within the game, also creating drag.

Your statement refers to the top speed of the car and how the chassis affects it. Powerband is really irrelevant since you only look at it to know where the distribution of peak HP & peak torque and that affects the car's acceleration, especially at low revs, where some car still idles at full throttle when at full stop, like the Escudo or the Option Stream Z.

EDIT: I know the chassis affects some car's acceleration but if that's the case, it is obvious that the peaky powerband of some cars is the one that mostly affects their sluggish acceleration. I don't know if you're saying that the chassis is the reason for that, although you said that it has nothing to do in/with low revs. Not sure how that drag factor affects it acceleration at low speeds, but I guess it's not turbo lag.

 

[Smuttysy]

EDIT: I know the chassis affects some car's acceleration but if that's the case, it is obvious that the peaky powerband of some cars is the one that mostly affects their sluggish acceleration. I don't know if you're saying that the chassis is the reason for that, although you said that it has nothing to do in/with low revs.

In the case I stated about the Integra, I used the Escudo chassis and a NSX GT500 engine with a supercharger and stage 3 turbo. This twin-charged setup allows for a very even spread across the entire rev range. Despite running 1000bhp+, the Escudo chassis is the only thing holding this car below 240mph. If I put it back on the Integra chassis it runs over 280mph.

 

[Lock2Lock]

So? Whatever. I don't care what you are saying because I don't believe you at all. I'm just saying why it's so sluggish at low revs, not why it has a limited top speed of 210+MPH.

It has nothing to do with the powerband at all.

Want to call me a idiot again? Go ahead, check my facts over at the hybriding section. I am pretty sure quiet a few people who have discovered this through doing chassis swaps. Oh wait, are they idiots too? No they are not, they actually know what they are talking about because they actually found this out for themselves, instead of Quoting someone and saying it is fact.

Not the problem that you don't believe me, it's the problem of you hating to be wrong. Which you won't admit to. You CHOOSE to not believe me or anyone because you would rather quote someone and believe that. So keep staying on your high horse, doesn't affect me at all. Just makes me laugh at you.

Smuttysy is trying to help people understand what is actually causing the car not to go a certain speed. Which he is 100% correct about. You are sitting there coming back with remarks that you took from someone else.

When you can stop acting like a child, I will start reading your posts again.

In the case I stated about the Integra, I used the Escudo chassis and a NSX GT500 engine with a supercharger and stage 3 turbo. This twin-charged setup allows for a very even spread across the entire rev range. Despite running 1000bhp+, the Escudo chassis is the only thing holding this car below 240mph. If I put it back on the Integra chassis it runs over 280mph.

I know what you are saying. I really have been wondering why PD actually did that. Why put it on the chassis? I have been trying to find a car with the same (or near) identical wheel base to solve that problem, so far no luck.

 

[Smuttysy]

I have been trying to find a car with the same (or near) identical wheel base to solve that problem, so far no luck.

PM'd with some suggestions, as I've already swapped mine out for something "better"

 

[Lock2Lock]

PM'd with some suggestions, as I've already swapped mine out for something "better"

Thanks again. I will give those a try. I appreciate it, never would have thought that those would be that close. Thanks again.

 

[Smuttysy]

No probs mate

 

[GTV0819]

In the case I stated about the Integra, I used the Escudo chassis and a NSX GT500 engine with a supercharger and stage 3 turbo. This twin-charged setup allows for a very even spread across the entire rev range. Despite running 1000bhp+, the Escudo chassis is the only thing holding this car below 240mph. If I put it back on the Integra chassis it runs over 280mph.

Yes, powerband does not really affect the top speed of that car. What I'm saying is that the Escudo has a peaky powerband that affects it's sluggish acceleration from the start. I wasn't even talking about the chassis affecting it's top speed when I said that, although the chassis does affect the top speed, at least that's not turbo lag, unlike someone's desperately bragging about in this game, saying and trying to prove that it is.

It has nothing to do with the powerband at all.

Want to call me a idiot again? Go ahead, check my facts over at the hybriding section. I am pretty sure quiet a few people who have discovered this through doing chassis swaps. Oh wait, are they idiots too? No they are not, they actually know what they are talking about because they actually found this out for themselves, instead of Quoting someone and saying it is fact.

Not the problem that you don't believe me, it's the problem of you hating to be wrong. Which you won't admit to. You CHOOSE to not believe me or anyone because you would rather quote someone and believe that. So keep staying on your high horse, doesn't affect me at all. Just makes me laugh at you.

Smuttysy is trying to help people understand what is actually causing the car not to go a certain speed. Which he is 100% correct about. You are sitting there coming back with remarks that you took from someone.

When you can stop acting like a child, I will start reading your posts again.

First of all, am I calling you an idiot in that previous post?? Lol, actually, you're the one who's making me laugh and the powerband that I have mentioned was referring to the sluggish acceleration of the Escudo itself, not the freaking top speed! You got it? And FYI, I DO BELIEVE this guy saying that the Escudo only gets up to 240MPH, it is because of the chassis of the car itself, at least not the thing you are calling "Turbo lag" in this game.

Not also trying to tell you to read my posts 'again', so why are you telling me that you'll do it when you're also "acting like a child" by not getting over that 'turbo lag' thing, especially since you have told me that you're 'up for it'? And don't even mention that I just quote something that someone said before, because it's only showing me that you're affected by it, even if you say that you don't.

So, you think that my reason for the Escudo's limited top speed was the powerband?? Lol, better read what I have said again, 'child'. If that's what you are still thinking, then you might as well call yourself an 'idiot' for that. So, think again, tsk tsk...