T500 or G27, with rig?

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With GT5 in mind, what's the difference between the two? (FFB, speed and overall feel, and etc.)
 
They behave the same overall in different sims. But seriously now that you got such good gear make sure to try out all the great games on PC as well. You miss out on a lot by only sticking to GT 5 :)
 
I'd wish I could. My computer can't run anything (unless it's a copy of the files from the Counter Strike 1.6 disc - it has no CD/DVD drive). It's too slow too and too old. 10.1" Compaq Mini, ~3 years old. And I'm not planning on getting a better computer, so that should be in the doubts as well.
 
Mahnegold
If there is something ironic in there, than I am not able to notice it today. Normally I am a ironic guy myself.

Anyway, I think I worded it in a correct way. I have no doubts, that a lot (or even most) of the comments are backed up by personal experience. But I have doubts that this counts for every comment. Thats what I wanted to say and thats what I actually said.
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No harm done.

I was just joking, really. ;)

The way I see it, you said that you have doubts that every statement..... . Which means that you are not sure that what everybody (you did use the words every statement) said is true and based on actual experience!

You probably wanted to say that you have NO doubts that every statement..... . Which means that you are sure.

BTW I wanted to use this smiley ( :p) but forgot, after this sentence: Dear sir, are you calling me a liar.


Enough off topic rant. We have to help DeanJ
 
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I've thrashed my g27 daily for over 2 years and it was bought USED on Craigslist. I love it!

If you do your homework you can find very good deals on a g27!
 
My experience with the G25/G27 was very good overall.

The FFB though was in some cases a very annoying feeling, especially in GT5 when I was doing the gravel rally stages. The wheel was rattling, shaking and making a terrible mechanical noise.
A pc game that I really love, even after 12 years is 1nsane. There are trucks in insane and when the engine of one of the trucks was idling, the G25/G27 gave me the same annoying FFB and noise. It was so annoying, in both insane as in GT5 that I stopped playing, reduced the FFB to a minimum and started the same race again.

The pedals are in my opinion very good and solid build. Modding the brake pedal to get a more progressive feel where you can modulate the braking better, is an option worth while to consider.

The shifter is not that great because (personal opinion) the throw is too short and I mis shifted often. I lenghtend the stick and it was much, much better.

Also an annoying part was the inherent dead zone of the G25/G27. Not much but enough to notice.

All in all, the G27 is a great wheel for less money. You can't go wrong with the G27.

I can't comment on the T500RS because I have never even seen a T500 in real life.

If money is a deciding factor, get the G27.

I'm still deciding myself what I should get. But in my case it is a slightly different situation as I have already had a G27, which I sold in 2011. Getting a new G27 after selling my G27 is stupid.
The problem I have is that, for the moment, I can't justify spending that much money an a toy (these game peripherals are toys IMHO) and I don't really want to get a new G27 after selling one in 2011.
Also my problem is the loud noise the T500 makes when the fan starts spinning what I read on the internet) and the huge base. And, thanks to mrbasher's expertise, I know that it more difficult to mod the T500 brake pedal than the G27 brake pedal.

Another thing I can say is that if you have never experienced something, you won't miss it.
So let's say you get the G27, you won't know what the T500 feels like and therefore won't be missing the advantages the T500 has over the G27. Does that make any sense to you?
 
Yes, it makes sense, - very much indeed. Sadly, it doesn't make the decision easier... I've been thinking on reliability. On that point, who'll be the winner?
 
Only you can make the decision Dean so all this is kind of pointless.
Thrustmaster need support too. They are not doing much better then Logitech ;)

Kikie you can´t comment on the value of the wheels without owning the T500RS either. You can just mention as you do that you have put a limit on yourself how much you allow yourself to spend on a wheel no matter the performance.

I am a bit surprised mrBasher find the G27 easier to mod then the T500RS pedals. Is that if you remove the shell and just use the pedal modules on their own or the fact there is more mods out there for the G27. Some to get it to the same spec as the T500RS pedals as the leo bodnar cable for example. Doing the mrBasher bushing mod is done within two minutes. To install the nixim mod it takes half an hour at least and you don´t want to remove and redo it that often.

As for noise level if you could live with the G27 you will find the T500RS a bliss. the fan is loud and should be replaced by a better one but it´s nothing like the G27 rattle. The main problem is the clicky paddles. Not for me but for neighbours :)
 
oqvist
Only you can make the decision Dean so all this is kind of pointless.
Thrustmaster need support too. They are not doing much better then Logitech ;)

Kikie you can´t comment on the value of the wheels without owning the T500RS either. You can just mention as you do that you have put a limit on yourself how much you allow yourself to spend on a wheel no matter the performance.

I am a bit surprised mrBasher find the G27 easier to mod then the T500RS pedals. Is that if you remove the shell and just use the pedal modules on their own or the fact there is more mods out there for the G27. Some to get it to the same spec as the T500RS pedals as the leo bodnar cable for example. Doing the mrBasher bushing mod is done within two minutes. To install the nixim mod it takes half an hour at least and you don´t want to remove and redo it that often.

As for noise level if you could live with the G27 you will find the T500RS a bliss. the fan is loud and should be replaced by a better one but it´s nothing like the G27 rattle. The main problem is the clicky paddles. Not for me but for neighbours :)
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Sorry but I can comment on the G27. I have had a lot of experience with the G25/27. I never said which wheel is better. I only shared my experience with the logitech wheel.

Did I compare the G27 with the T500? No I didn't!

Strange, every time I want to help someone, I get commented on. It has been so for years and I guess it will never change.

About modding the T500, I was talking about converting it to a hydraulic or load cell brake system. It has something to do with the T500 only using an 3.3v input and the G25/27 a 5v input. It can be done but it is less easier than with the G27 pedals.
 
If you're on a tight budget, I'd say G27 is the way to go. And you would be left with a margin for upgrades like nixim and a real wheel rim. I had a G27 and it's a great wheel considering you could program yourself to ignore the rattling ffb (that would be really hard if you're into rallying). Logitechs are also the most reliable wheels on the market, even a second hand unit is unlikely to have anything wrong with it.
 
oqvist
Only you can make the decision Dean so all this is kind of pointless.
Thrustmaster need support too. They are not doing much better then Logitech ;)

Kikie you can´t comment on the value of the wheels without owning the T500RS either. You can just mention as you do that you have put a limit on yourself how much you allow yourself to spend on a wheel no matter the performance.

I am a bit surprised mrBasher find the G27 easier to mod then the T500RS pedals. Is that if you remove the shell and just use the pedal modules on their own or the fact there is more mods out there for the G27. Some to get it to the same spec as the T500RS pedals as the leo bodnar cable for example. Doing the mrBasher bushing mod is done within two minutes. To install the nixim mod it takes half an hour at least and you don´t want to remove and redo it that often.

As for noise level if you could live with the G27 you will find the T500RS a bliss. the fan is loud and should be replaced by a better one but it´s nothing like the G27 rattle. The main problem is the clicky paddles. Not for me but for neighbours :)
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How loud are the pedals? I mean, since you say that it's a problem, for your neighbors...

Jet Badger
If you're on a tight budget, I'd say G27 is the way to go. And you would be left with a margin for upgrades like nixim and a real wheel rim. I had a G27 and it's a great wheel considering you could program yourself to ignore the rattling ffb (that would be really hard if you're into rallying). Logitechs are also the most reliable wheels on the market, even a second hand unit is unlikely to have anything wrong with it.
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I'm not into modifying, and I won't do anything that could/will break warranty in any way. Speaking of warranty, is it correct that the T500 has a limited 1-year warranty, and the G27 a 2-year (like DFGT)?
 
Dean J
Speaking of warranty, is it correct that the T500 has a limited 1-year warranty, and the G27 a 2-year (like DFGT)?
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Its a two year warranty, I posted in great detail about that on T500 Black Friday thread, as well as TH8RS thread, seek and you will find.

The degree of support available can be affected if you buy the T500 in a country that differs from where you reside. IE, purchased for use in USA from Amazon UK, details are in the two above-referenced threads.
 
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kikie
Sorry but I can comment on the G27. I have had a lot of experience with the G25/27. I never said which wheel is better. I only shared my experience with the logitech wheel.

Did I compare the G27 with the T500? No I didn't!

Strange, every time I want to help someone, I get commented on. It has been so for years and I guess it will never change.

About modding the T500, I was talking about converting it to a hydraulic or load cell brake system. It has something to do with the T500 only using an 3.3v input and the G25/27 a 5v input. It can be done but it is less easier than with the G27 pedals.
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Maybe you post interesting replies :)

You compared the value I didn´t say you compared the wheels as you owned them. But you are surely allowed to have your opinion.

I see. There is a load cell solution by john Bodin but it´s kind of a clip on solution it seems.
 
Dean the pedals are exemplary quiet. Much more so then my Clubsports V2. I think it should be relatively easy getting rid of some of the clack as I release the pedals. However it appears to cause ringing sounds and such quite easy as well.

I have the TH8 RS shifter so using that in sequential I get a nice stealthy setup I can use at night without upsetting anyone I think.
 
oqvist
Dean the pedals are exemplary quiet. Much more so then my Clubsports V2. I think it should be relatively easy getting rid of some of the clack as I release the pedals. However it appears to cause ringing sounds and such quite easy as well.
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Have you lubed all the pivots/springs on the CSPs, made sure all the allen heads are nice and secure for the brake arm pivots? Long ago I tired of the squeaks and klacks, so I dis-assembled and white greased mine. No noise whatsoever since. Excuse the OT.
 
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JogoAsobi
Its a two year warranty [...]

The degree of support available can be affected if you buy the T500 in a country that differs from where you reside.
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I see. Thanks for letting me know! I've purchased the wheel from Amazon FR, to use in Denmark. Both countries' in the European Union (EU). I'm not sure if that'll give 2 years of warranty?

kikie
Maybe this is of any help?
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Wow... Is that a modified fan? If so, is the original fan noisier?

oqvist
Dean the pedals are exemplary quiet. [...]

I have the TH8 RS shifter so using that in sequential I get a nice stealthy setup I can use at night without upsetting anyone I think.
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Oh really? That's very good to know 👍. I might be using it, at night as my parents sleep. So avoiding waking them up, is a plus. Do you know, if it's the same with the G27?
 
Dean J
I've ordered a T500RS from Amazon (haven't received it yet), but I'm currently thinking about returning it (when it arrives), get the refund, and spend the money on a Gameracer Pro + G27 combo pack instead (Local dealer is ~15 km away 👍).
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Edit:I forgot to mention that I'll only be using it for GT5.
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Well this edit is really helpful. Since you're only going to be using for GT5 you could keep the T500 that you ordered as this will offer a nice experience. But unless you ordered the shifter with it too, you might find the fixed paddles weird unless you are used to them on a real car. If you think that one day you might find yourself buying a PC sim racing game and playing it, then I suggest that you go for the T500 anyway because it will be the best wheel out there for those kind of games 👍 .

But assuming that you didn't buy the shifter along with the wheel, then if you think that you're going to be spending a lot of time driving cars that have a 4/5/6 speed manual H-shifter gearbox then the G27 might actually be a better option for you. You don't have to pay extra for the shifter and while the G27 might not be as good as the T500, you can afford to get a rig with it too if you return the T500 and get your money back.

Best wishes with making a decision and good luck :D .

 
Dean J
I see. Thanks for letting me know! I've purchased the wheel from Amazon FR, to use in Denmark. Both countries' in the European Union (EU). I'm not sure if that'll give 2 years of warranty?
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So you may want to contact Thrustmaster to see what happens in event the unit ever needs to be replaced or has to be submitted in its entirety for repair since you purchased from France. Warranty regulations vary by country in the EU.

Based on my conversation with the Thrustmaster rep. the warranty will be subject to the laws of the country where the product was purchased. Warranty period should still be 2 years though.
 
Jogoasobi they are quite new just some weeks. I had the CSP V1 and with everything external it mean more maintenance yes. I am using the dust cover that comes with them all the time when not using them for this reason.

It was a while since I used the G27 pedals but from what I recall they where reasonable quiet.

I was about to post that my fan was not that loud but apparently it went bad today lol. As I understand the stock fan is just the cheapest sleave beering type so gonna replace it with a higher quality one.
 
oqvist
Jogoasobi they are quite new just some weeks. I had the CSP V1 and with everything external it mean more maintenance yes. I am using the dust cover that comes with them all the time when not using them for this reason.
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No criticism intended, was just trying be helpful, both V.1s and V.2s can be noisy out of the box "new" because of all the moving parts.
 
Dean J
I see. Thanks for letting me know! I've purchased the wheel from Amazon FR, to use in Denmark. Both countries' in the European Union (EU). I'm not sure if that'll give 2 years of warranty?


Wow... Is that a modified fan? If so, is the original fan noisier?



Oh really? That's very good to know 👍. I might be using it, at night as my parents sleep. So avoiding waking them up, is a plus. Do you know, if it's the same with the G27?
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I honeslty don't know but reading his comment, I think it's a standard replacement from Thrustmaster. I have read more about this problem. Not my personal opinion, but I read in a comment that the fans are so noisy that it feels like having a pc standing next to you. Some people can't be bothered and other are really annoyed by the noise fan.

I know that the G27 can rattle very loudly when you cranck up the FFB. If you turn down the FFB, it is less loud.

Isn't it so, that the more info you get to more difficult it is to make a decision?
 
kikie
I have read more about this problem. Not my personal opinion, but I read in a comment that the fans are so noisy that it feels like having a pc standing next to you.

Isn't it so, that the more info you get to more difficult it is to make a decision?
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If that's the standard, I guess I can survive it.

And I'm actually not more in doubt, compared to when I started this thread.

I'm thinking about visiting the local Gameracer dealer, to see if the rig, can fit in my room. Otherwise I'll be getting a WSP, for the wheel I'll choose. But I haven't (sadly) made up my mind yet 👎.
 
Dean J
If that's the standard, I guess I can survive it.

And I'm actually not more in doubt, compared to when I started this thread.

I'm thinking about visiting the local Gameracer dealer, to see if the rig, can fit in my room. Otherwise I'll be getting a WSP, for the wheel I'll choose. But I haven't (sadly) made up my mind yet 👎.
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You will, give it some time. For every problem, there is a solution. Time will tell. As ogvist already said, we can't decide for you.
 
kikie
You will, give it some time. For every problem, there is a solution. Time will tell. As ogvist already said, we can't decide for you.
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Well, I guess that's right... And of course it's my own decision. I'm actually not in doubt about getting to enjoy either wheels, nor get the money again... The thing I'm worried about could be if I'll want the T500 if I get the G27 - and the other way around 👍.
 
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