Tessellation car list

Discussion in 'Gran Turismo 6' started by emula, Apr 22, 2014.

  1. emula

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    During I play GT6, I noticed that some cars looks like to have tons of polygons more that other premium cars. I tried to create a car list of all GT6 cars that use tessellation. All the premium cars carried from GT5 don't use tessellation

    here is some example about the difference between cars that don't use tessellation and cars that use tessellation

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    I tried to make a list (still incomplete) about the GT6 cars that use tessellation, and to what extent the use is (indicated by stars).

    Here the link to download the execel file (ver. 1.5 - Complete)

    https://mega.co.nz/#!NMA2RL5a!Q1eAEz33XJO9ht74xfeS6M-JaTBqeF_WZbeROtBCXRU

    NO The car don't use tessellation
    ★ Tessellation applied only on few car's elements
    ★★ Tessellation applied to ~ 50% of car's elements
    ★★★ Tessellation applied to ~ 85% of car's elements
    ★★★★ Tessellation applied to ~ 100% of car's elements


    Abarth 1500 Biposto Bertone B.A.T 1 '52 ★★
    Abarth 500 '09 NO
    Abarth Grande Punto '09 NO
    Acura NSX CONCEPT '13 ★★★★
    Alfa Romeo MiTo 1.4 T Sport '09 NO
    Alfa Romeo TZ3 Stradale '11 NO
    Alpine A110 1600S '72 NO
    Aston Martin One-77 '11 ★★★
    Ayrton Senna DAP Racing Kart #17 '80 NO
    Ayrton Senna LOTUS 97T '85 ★★★★
    Ayrton Senna West Surrey Racing, 1983 NO

    Audi R18 TDI (Audi Sport Team Joest) '11
    Audi R18 TDI Prototype '11
    Audi R8 LMS - Team Oreca '10
    Audi R8 LMS ultra (Audi Sport Team Phoenix) '12 ★
    Audi R8 LMS ultra '12 NO
    Audi Sport quattro S1 Pikes Peak '87 ★★
    Audi Sport quattro S1 Rally Car '86 ★★
    Autobacs Garaiya GT300 Base Model '08 NO
    Bentley Speed 8 '03 NO
    BMW 507 '57 NO
    BMW E92 M3 (BMW Motorsport) '10 NO
    BMW M4 Coupé ★★★
    BMW M3 GT (BMW Motorsport) '11 NO
    BMW M3 GT2 Base Model '11 NO
    BMW Z4 GT3 '11 NO
    BMW Z8 '01 NO
    Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '13 ★★★★
    Cadillac CTS-V Coupe '11 ★★★
    Chevrolet 2013 Dale Earnhardt Jr. #88 National Guard CHEVROLET SS ★★★★
    Chevrolet 2013 Jeff Gordon #24 Drive to End Hunger CHEVROLET SS ★★★★
    Chevrolet 2013 Jimmie Johnson #48 Lowe's CHEVROLET SS ★★★★
    Chevrolet 2013 Juan Montoya #42 Target CHEVROLET SS ★★★★
    Chevrolet 2013 Tony Stewart #14 Bass Pro Shops CHEVROLET SS ★★★★
    Chevrolet Corvette Coupe (C2) '63 ★★★
    Chevrolet Corvette Stingray (C7) '14 ★★★
    Chevrolet Corvette Stingray Gran Turismo Concept '13 ★
    Chevrolet Corvette StingRay Racer Concept '59 ★★★★
    Chevrolet El Camino SS 396 '67 ★★
    Chevrolet Nova SS '70 ★★
    Cizeta V16T '94 NO
    DeltaWing 2013 DeltaWing ★★★★
    DeltaWing sponsored by Nissan at LeMans 2012 ★★★★
    Ferrari 250 GT Berlinetta passo corto CN.2521 '61 NO
    Ferrari 250 GTO CN.3729GT '62 ★★
    Ferrari 365 GTB4 '71 NO
    Ferrari Dino 246 GT '71 ★★★
    Ferrari FXX '07 NO
    Ferrari GTO '84 NO
    Fisker Karma EcoSport '12 ★★★★
    Ford 2013 Aric Almirola #43 Farmland FORD FUSION ★★★★
    Ford 2013 Carl Edwards #99 Fastenal FORD FUSION ★★★★
    Ford Focus ST '13 ★
    Ford GT '05 NO
    Ford GT40 Mark I '66 ★★★★
    Ford Mustang Boss 302 '13 ★★★★
    Ford Shelby GT500 '13 ★★★★
    Gran Turismo Racing Kart 125 Shifter NO
    Gran Turismo Red Bull Racing Kart 125 NO
    Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Fan Car NO
    Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Junior NO
    Gran Turismo Red Bull X2014 Standard NO
    Honda FIT RS '10 ★★★★
    Honda HSV-010 GT Base Model '12 NO
    Honda KEIHIN HSV-010 '12 NO
    Honda NSX CONCEPT '13 ★★★★
    Honda NSX GT500 Base Model '08 NO
    Honda RAYBRIG HSV-010 '12 NO
    Hudson Mario Andretti's 1948 Hudson ★★
    Hyundai Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track '13 NO
    Jaguar XKR-S '11 ★★
    Jay Leno 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado ★★★
    KTM X-BOW R '12 ★★★
    KTM X-BOW Street '12 ★
    Lamborghini Countach 25th Anniversary '88 ★★★★
    Lamborghini Countach LP400 '74 ★★★★
    Lamborghini Diablo GT '00 ★★★
    Lamborghini Diablo GT2 '98 ★★★★
    Lamborghini Reventon '08 ★★
    Lancia STRATOS '73 ★★★★
    Land Rover Range Rover Evoque Coupe Dynamic '13 ★★★★
    Lexus IS350 GT300 Base Model '08 NO
    Lexus LFA Nürburgring Package '12 NO
    Lexus SC430 GT500 Base Model '08 NO
    Light Car Company Rocket '07 NO
    Lotus Elise '11 ★★★★
    Lotus Europa S.2 '68 NO
    Lotus Europa Special '72 ★★★★
    Mazda DEMIO SPORT '10 NO
    Mazda RX500 '70 ★★★★
    McLaren F1 GTR - BMW (Kokusai Kaihatsu UK Racing) '95 ★★★
    McLaren F1 GTR Race Car Base Model '95 ★★★
    Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG GT3 '11 NO
    Mercedes-Benz AMG Vision Gran Turismo ★★★★
    Mercedes-Benz AMG Vision Gran Turismo Racing Series ★★★★
    Mercedes-Benz Sauber Mercedes C9 '89 NO
    Mitsubishi Concept XR-PHEV EVOLUTION Vision Gran Turismo ★★★
    Monster Sport SX4 Pikes Peak Special 2011 ★★★★
    Monster Sport SX4 Base Model '11 ★★★★
    Nissan GT-R GT500 Base Model '08 NO
    Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 '13 NO
    Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 Base Model '13 NO
    Nissan GT-R NISMO GT3 N24 Schulze Motorsport '13 ★
    Nissan Z GT500 Base Model '06 NO
    Pagani Huayra '11 NO
    Pagani Huayra '13 NO
    Peugeot 908 HDi FAP Base Model '10 NO
    Peugeot RCZ '10 ★★★
    Plymouth AAR Cuda 340 Six Barrel '70 NO
    Plymouth XNR Ghia Roadster '60 ★★★★
    Pontiac Firebird Trans Am '78 NO
    Pozzi MotorSports Camaro RS ★★★★
    RE Amemiya RX7 GT300 Base Model '06 NO
    Renault R8 Gordini '66 NO
    Renault Sport Clio R.S. '11 NO
    Renault Sport Mégane R.S. Trophy '11 ★★
    Renault Sport Mégane Trophy '11 ★★★★
    Renault Sport Mégane Trophy Base Model '11 ★★★★
    Shelby Cobra Daytona Coupe '64
    Shelby GT350 '65 ★★★
    SRT Challenger SRT8 '08 NO
    SRT Viper GTS '13 ★★★★
    SRT Viper GTS Launch Edition '13 ★★★★
    Stielow Engineering Red Devil NO
    Subaru BRZ GT300 Base Model '12 NO
    SUBARU BRZ R&D SPORT '12 ★★★★
    Subaru IMPREZA GT300 Base Model '08 NO
    Subaru IMPREZA WRX STI spec C '09 NO
    Subaru S206 NBR CHALLENGE PACKAGE '12 NO
    Tajima 2012 Monster Sport E-RUNNER Pikes Peak Special ★★★★
    Tesla Motors Model S Signature Performance '12 ★★★
    Toyota 2000 GT '67 ★★★★
    TOYOTA 86 "Racing" '13 NO
    Toyota 2013 Denny Hamlin #11 FedEx TOYOTA CAMRY ★★★★
    Toyota 2013 Kyle Busch #18 M&M'S® TOYOTA CAMRY ★★★★
    Toyota 2013 Matt Kenseth #20 Dollar General/Home Depot TOYOTA CAMRY ★★★★
    Toyota 86 Race Car Base Model '12 NO
    Toyota Aqua S '11 ★★★
    Toyota FT-1 ★★★
    Toyota GAZOO Racing TOYOTA 86 #166 '12 NO
    Toyota Supra GT500 Base Model '05 NO
    Toyota Vitz F '12 ★★★★
    Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 (Volkswagen Motorsport) '08 ★★
    Volkswagen Scirocco GT24 Base Model '08 ★★
     
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  2. PaMu1337

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    That photo with the clock is a thing of beauty :drool:

    PS4 should be able to do tessellation on all parts of all cars (to make it work on PS3 apparently needs some manual work, but in theory any 3D model can be tessellated to this beautiful level of detail). Just imagine what GT7 could look like.
     
  3. PepeMickey

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    Premium+? Semi-semi Premium?
     
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  4. emula

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    I call them "premium 2.0"
     
  5. Mega Umbreon

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    I didn't realize there was that much of a difference! I do wish though, that the C6 Corvettes used tessellation. They've always been one of the best looking cars in the game, to me anyway.
     
  6. Duphman

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    This is going to stick out like a sore thumb when these cars are shoved into GT7. They will be the new standards to GT7's "premiums".
     
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  7. GattigerPlay

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    these "premium 2.0" in GT6 should be at least "standard" cars in GT7
     
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    Like I said earlier, the tesselation should apply to them too on PS4. As a game development student I have quite a bit of knowledge about graphics technologies, and I don't see any technical reason why tesselation could not be implemented on all cars (and it wouldn't require any work on PDs side). The reason it only applies to some cars now is related to the fact that the PS3 doesn't actually support tesselation, so PD has had to do a lot of hacking to get it to work, which probably required specific work on the cars.
     
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  9. Duphman

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    Do the GT5 cars stack up as well? I know the Miura has issues.

    It is more likely that all of the cars from GTHD onwards will be added, including the first "Premiums" (the FD3S and Lancer Evolution IX GSR). The GT3/4/PSP cars have no chance of ending up in GT7 since PD has hopefully heard the outcry.
     
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    Definitely.
    Theoretically this would work on standard cars too, but they are just not detailed enough to look good afterwards (tesselation can't create detail that isn't there, it just makes things look smoother).
     
  11. MatskiMonk

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    Congrats OP, in one post you jus made Tesslation way clearer to me than PD ever did... :D
     
  12. Samus

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    Um, unless i'm missing something this has nothing to do with tesselation. PD have simply put more polys into the newer models.
     
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    High poly count = PS4 ready
     
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    There are not more polys. It's the tessellation that is splitting existing polys into multiple polys to make curves smoother.
     
  15. emula

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    1000000000000 polygons for a model? mmh no, that is tessellation
     
  16. Sederholm

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    This is a great find and very well illustrated.
    Things like this should be covered by the articles on the front page, not what movie some guy has seen the latest week.
    It would also be interesting to see a standard car along side and also compare the same car from GT5 to see if any improvements were made.
     
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    Brilliant stuff, emula. Cheers! :cheers:
     
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    Thanks for the comparison pics, that's interesting to see. I think a list of cars with tessellation would be nice to have...
     
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  20. Dodzzz

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    I literally drop my jaw looking at those pics! :eek:
     
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  21. gambleboyen

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    When racing, this counts for absolutely nothing.

    Wasted time which should have been spent completing the game.
     
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    Get over it. :tdown: He can do whatever he wants with his time. And for all you know, he might've (and probably has, it's that short) completed it already...

    Ignore - sorry mate...

    Fascinating stuff, emula! :tup:
     
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  23. emula

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    I have already finished the career of the game, so now i have the time to make this
     
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    I think he meant on PD's part... as in Tessalation doesn't improve the racing, so PD shouldn't have bother and just added <insert chosen missing feature here> instead.
     
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    I think gambleboyen is not berating emula, I think he's saying PD should have spent more time completing the game rather than going into this detail.

    In a way I agree with him but the detail really amazed me. Thanks emula for showing it so well.

    Treeeed
     
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    I think all the tessellation stuff is only a practice run for the next game. To see what detail PD can do with what they had at the start of GT6's creation so when they get the new hardware (PS4) they can expand on it to make it more advanced. The GT6 cars are simply a taster of what we'll get next time around. The tessellation work in GT6 makes the car models as good as the average next gen game (in my opinion) and when the adaptive lighting and stuff gets thrown in too (hopefully) the game will really shine graphically.
    I think a lot of GT6 is just beta testing for the next-gen game, testing the water so to speak.
     
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    Except the car modelling team aren't the game designers or Akihiko Tan the physics guy.
     
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    Goddit. Thanks guys. I had my blinkers on... ;)
     
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    :bowdown: Wonderful photography! :drool:
     
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  30. SavageEvil

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    Nice photos, but if anyone cared to notice that in the photos where the tessellation is clearly seen there is actually much more things for the system to render in that one scene. Each of the angular looking photos has much more things that could stress the engine and tessellation is just a fancy way of culling detail in order to make things look a little more natural and not have that LOD pop in like in GT5. Do you have those photos in their actual snapshot, as in the what was the object of the photo and not just a zoomed in part. Why tessellation is active in photo mode is baffling, the car isn't moving and very little is going on, so the engine shouldn't need tessellation at all in photo mode. Just an observation on my part about the detail in each shot is all.

    No the cars added to GT6 do not have more detail than the cars built for GT5, that would stupid and counterproductive. GT5 cars were built the exact same as GT6, they are all super sampled well beyond the PS3's and PS4's capabilities, just reduced in visual detail to fit the program and run. Only a foolish developer would build models of inferior detail only to have to redo those models yet again in 5 years when he could have just developed the model at the highest level possible and using his high powered PC to cull detail to match whatever system he was going to use the model in.

    Tessellation in GT6 is hit or miss as at times it works inconveniently and PD should add in code to turn it off and just leave the LOD pop-in as that is easier to stomach than angular wheels for no apparent reason when they were nicely rounded a few seconds earlier.

    Note the visual detail is insane on these cars when that tessellation isn't making things all boxy.