Thank you PD

[PAWEL17]

Amen brother. Though as a NFS fanboy, i'm holding for a patch to fix the car sliding....unless it's there intent, then i'm never playong it again. It bought me so much misery.

 

[PAWEL17]

NFS Shift 2 car modeling are sub par and I didn't get any satisfaction from customizing them, there cars here and there that are good but that's it. It is just a little better than all the other NFS titles IMO.

But this i disagree with, in no way can it compete with the older NFS games, of most wanted, hot pursuit and underground.

 

[PAWEL17]

Where did you quote me, other than what I said directly above you? Where?

I want you to re-read the user names and then get back to me...

????? This guy is a troll? Right?

 

[Pakt Sardine]

Not a troll. A brony. Sheesh.

I noticed in my time with GT5 that it looks pretty bad in 1080p. So I dropped it to 720p and everything was a lot sharper. I knew that too, because of the Digital Foundry article, saying that the AA is half in 1080 than in 720. So, the 1080p argument is out.

 

[Terronium-12]

????? This guy is a troll? Right?

I don't know. Why don't you ask him?

EDIT: Oh, by the way, epic triple post. How about you stop worrying about me and look toward that glorious e-invention called the "Edit" button...

 

[trk29]

????? This guy is a troll? Right?

Brony- definition, A name typically given to the male viewers/fans (whether they are straight, gay, bisexual, etc.) of the My Little Pony show or franchise.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brony

 

[Pakt Sardine]

I don't know. Why don't you ask him?

Wait. Was he talking about you, or...

I'm getting out of this thread before my head explodes from utter confusion.

 

[tinram]

I will never complain about what I wish the game had more of tracks, cars etc.

Dear God after renting and playing NFS Shift 2 I take for granted the quality that the GT Series is, nothing out there right now can touch GT5 in graphics, car modeling and physics period.

If you are feeling bored and think GT5 is lacking rent and play any of those other so called "racing sims" and if you know anything about what a real driving simulator is you will run back to GT5, we should all be thankful that we have GT to play.

I agree. I bought shift 2 after believing "the most realistic racer" tag line, silly me. I have been trying to figure out what i was doing wrong, they said change wheel settings, then car tuning. I got to 24% then on time trials, i realized it was just poor physics.

It just proved what i was thinking that physics is the foundation of a good racing game. The best AI and damage cannot make up for poor physics.

If GT5 can improve AI and damage, then it would be perfect.

 

[trk29]

It just proved what i was thinking that physics is the foundation of a good racing game. The best AI and damage cannot make up for poor physics.

If GT5 can improve AI and damage, then it would be perfect.

👍 In a nutshell.

 

[Predwolf]

I love how GTP can't even have a single thread praising GT5 without it falling into a personal opinion fight and general negative vibes all around.

GT5 is my go-to racing game, and will be for some time. If GT5 had off-road (not just racing, but hill climbs, mud and general tomfoolery as well), as well as vehicular combat like Twisted Metal, only with the ability to modify the vehicles and weapon loadouts, then it would indeed be the best racing game ever. EVER.

 

[Diesel Pump]

All these is so funny.

The fanboy x vs the fanboy y vs the "educated" racer... LOL

Really, in just my humble opinion, Shift 2 is so massive-American, so to speak.

You can buy everything from the start with a credit card, you get fat guys shouting at you with a very annoying accent "this is some serious machine maaannnn", and it is so, so vulgar with the chicks on bikinis and the crashes as the main attraction.

LOL, really LOL...

Now, speaking of the gameplay mechanics, I'd rather not say anything, it plain sucks compared to:

GT1, let alone other games.

Oh, and for all the "arcade" haters, I love to play Daytona USA on my cabinet, 15 years old or so, and still being fun (just like all 13 Need for Speed games, right? )

 

[Terronium-12]

I'm trying real hard not to say something that I know would offend you because that would be quite unnecessary in this situation. But you realize Shift 2 was made by SMS, which happen to be a British company, right? And for the record, the Timesavers pack dates back to (as far as I know) Burnout Paradise made by Criterion Games, which coincidentally is also a British developer.

 

[Diesel Pump]

I'm trying real hard not to say something that I know would offend you because that would be quite unnecessary in this situation. But you realize Shift 2 was made by SMS, which happen to be a British company, right? And for the record, the Timesavers pack dates back to (as far as I know) Burnout Paradise made by Criterion Games, which coincidentally is also a British developer.

Lol, you would never offend me... LOL

Yeah, made by a British developer published by Electronic Arts, with American fat guys shouting with a very annoying American accent, aimed at the American market mainly.

Yeah, let's see how many copies have sold Shift 2 in the UK and how many in the USA, in relative numbers to GT5.

Go ahead, feel free to express and to offend me in a private message, so you don't get banned, please do so...

BTW, I really like the Met Museum, and NYC in general.

 

[Terronium-12]

Lol, you would never offend me... LOL

Yeah, made by a British developer published by Electronic Arts, with American fat guys shouting with a very annoying American accent, aimed at the American market mainly.

Yeah, let's see how many copies have sold Shift 2 in the UK and how many in the USA, in relative numbers to GT5.

Go ahead, try hard to offend me in a private message,so you don't get banned, please do so...

BTW, I really like the Met Museum, and NYC in general.

Or, I could watch you continue to hang yourself.

 

[Diesel Pump]

Or, I could watch you continue to hang yourself.

Cool dude, chill out.

I don't know why you took this personal from the beginning, if you were from some poor state, or some southern region, but from NY?

I'm shocked both to these attitudes and to your really bad taste for racing games.

But, the world is vast and varied, enjoy Shift 2, I'll enjoy GT5.

BTW, your avatar is intriguing, is there some kind of psychological symbology to it?

 

[Tornado]

^ There is a tinge of irony in spouting stereotypical, anti-America idiocy in a forum owned and primarily made up of American members.

There is a slap in the face of irony in meeting the above requirements and then being surprised when one of those American members call you out on your nonsense.

You then pointed out that standards are as important as premiums which I thought was kinda pointless considering that it had been my point originally.

I knew exactly what your point was. I only said that because I knew if I didn't this was going to turn into another "GT5 is the best looking game ever because Premiums are awesome" pile of idiocy. And then it did anyways, to my horror.

An 8 FPS drop is more noticeable on a game running 30 FPS than it is at 60 FPS. It's a bigger percentage drop and therefore a before and after comparison is much more noticeable.

Except I reject that standard, because in my experience it is inaccurate. 8 FPS dropped is going to be noticed as 8 FPS dropped. It won't be noticed any more or less between a 30 FPS game or a 60 FPS game because the portion dropped from the normal frame rate is bigger.






And now for the fun part.

Not really. You do not know what you are talking about.

I am giving all valid reasons like resolution, number of cars on track, number of detailed cars.

None of these "valid reasons" make any difference, even if they actually had meaning. Which they don't.
The game doesn't run at that much of a higher resolution than a typical PS360 racing game, so the positive graphical impact is negligible (and Digital Foundry actually thought it made things look worse in their analysis of the game). When there are more than 3-4 cars on the track, the game starts having notable framerate drops and screen tearing. And the majority of the cars in the game weren't particularly well detailed 6 years ago, when the assets were (mostly) new. All of these things impact the quality of the graphics.

Moreover fps drop for 60-52 for example is not noticeable compared to 30-22fps.

But it is as noticeable. And I know it is noticeable because I know GT5 does not run at 60FPS. And I could tell this before the detailed technical explanation by Digital Foundry came out, because I could see it with my own eyes.

Game at 60 or even 50fps won't make difference but since refresh rate works only like 30hretz and then double so 30,60,120,240 are possible for TV. That is the reason they cannot make the game at 55 or 50fps.

In no way is this an accurate interpretation of how refresh rates work in regards to framerate. In no way.

Not the least of which being because if it did work that way, any time a game stopped functioning 1:1 with the refresh rate of the monitor, the screen would go black.

You don't understand most things and complexities of it.

I've seen you misuse terminology, come up with explanations for technical things that are almost comically inaccurate because that is how you think they work, ignore points that were all but stapled to your face, and generally just restate things that are either completely irrelevant to this discussion and/or were never actually accurate in the first place. And you can still say I'm the one who doesn't understand what is going on?

This game is not made by some internet warrior on forums.

I like how this carries the implication that I am wrong because I am an "internet warrior on forums," but you are right because you... aren't one?

It is made by experts and it is not possible to get everything right.

Yes. And in pursuing those magic bullet points, they stumbled hard in areas. And are we suddenly supposed to accept your excus... er, "valid reasons" that GT5 performs the way it does, making it look worse graphically than it has any right to? Because it still does look the way it does, regardless of whatever "valid reasons" you want to throw up to forgive it.

None of that changes how the frame rate is all over the place. Or how the alpha effects look terrible. Or how there is constant screen tearing. Or how the shadows range from "pretty good" to "they should have just turned them off." Or how the other 4/5ths of the graphical assets date back to 2004. Or how on some tracks textures flicker, become corrupt or disappear. Because that is all still true, and that is all part of the graphical abilities of the game. And not a lot of Gran Turimo 5's peers suffer from many of those problems, let alone all of them.

 

[Terronium-12]

Cool dude, chill out.

I don't know why you took this personal from the beginning, if you were from some poor state, or some southern region, but from NY?

Chill out? What happened to all of the 'LOL' you were (un)cleverly using a few minutes ago? And how would being from somewhere else, whether it be state, region, or county make me less of an American? The logic, where is it?

I'm shocked both to these attitudes and to your really bad taste for racing games.

Since you're claiming to be so appalled by my apparent "really bad taste for racing games"...how about from now on you purchase my games for me? Sound like a plan, champ? If not then shut up.

But, the world is vast and varied, enjoy Shift 2, I'll enjoy GT5.

Attempted wit?

BTW, your avatar is intriguing, is there some kind of psychological symbology to it?

I'll assume this is an attempt to move on to neutral ground? Lulz.

 

[Diesel Pump]

Irony is so different than sarcasm, funny you cannot see that with your incredibly sophisticated logic.

Also, this forum is dedicated to GT5 above "America" (which is a continent not a country, but, yeah, you are alone in the world, you are right. )

So, the irony (this time it is irony) comes from a guy attacking GT5 in a GT5 fan based forum (with guys from all over the world, right?), and expect people to not call him on his nonsense.

You sir, are a genius, I wish I could reach your level of rationality one day...

P.S. I love how Americans like you always recur to the "money" argument. Yeah, I can buy you any game anytime, I'm not a cheap starving champ like you probably are, so let me send you the games, and when you get them to your door via Amazon.com then you shut up after telling me "thank you", and making a thread here about it. I love it when an irrelevant mediocre American like you probably are thinks that ALL Mexicans are poor, or uneducated. Funny

 

[Tornado]

Edit: Actually, you know, whatever. Life is too short for this to be worth my time.


I will simply point out that you were the one who brought up the topic in the first place, including labeling "people from the United States" as "Americans." So, you know, hypocrite.

 

[Diesel Pump]

Yes sir, I'm so stupid and ignorant... however, as said before, I really wish I could follow your steps to genius by lurking around your posts so that I do not bother you, or rob your time.

 

[Terronium-12]

P.S. I love how Americans like you always recur to the "money" argument. Yeah, I can buy you any game anytime, I'm not a cheap starving champ like you probably are, so let me send you the games, and when you get them to your door via Amazon.com then you shut up after telling me "thank you", and making a thread here about it. I love it when an irrelevant mediocre American like you probably are thinks that ALL Mexicans are poor, or uneducated. Funny

Bit of advice for you, and consider this for the next time you want to fling nonsensical tirades toward people - make sure you always use proper sentence structure, grammar, and turn of phrases. Especially when you put words in other people's mouths; that last bit about being uneducated...I don't recall ever having said, hinted toward, or even jested such a conclusion, but that catastrophe of a last sentence really doesn't help your case.

 

[Diesel Pump]

Bit of advice for you, and consider this for the next time you want to fling nonsensical tirades toward people - make sure you always use proper sentence structure, grammar, and turn of phrases. Especially when you put words in other people's mouths; that last bit about being uneducated...I don't recall ever having said, hinted toward, or even jested such a conclusion, but that catastrophe of a sentence really doesn't help your case.

Yes sir! I will.

(I forgot that not employing perfect pristine grammar while typing fast in a video game forum which requires usage of my third language should never be an excuse against fairness in communication and perfection.)

Rest assured I will always aim at excellence, by following your example, of course.

P.S. This is getting freaky, are you guys clones, twins, or a polite-attacking team?

/hostility

 

[PAWEL17]

I don't know. Why don't you ask him?

EDIT: Oh, by the way, epic triple post. How about you stop worrying about me and look toward that glorious e-invention called the "Edit" button...

Ok, are you, yourself and toronado trolls? Haha

 

[JediRage]

GT getting compared with Shift is enough of a sign how the Gran Turismo series has dropped the ball. Or rather how the others have already caught up and in the next iteration will surpass it.

Anyway, GT5 (5 year dev cycle), Shift 2 (2 years). Hmm, something's odd here.

 

[Mike Rotch]

Closed, as this back and forwarding has gone far enough thanks.